Mass. School district to close tuesday for ISLAMIC holiday?!

It is called winning hearts and minds. It is freedom of religion. You don't like this country called USA with muslim holidays, move to another country. People get off for Christmas, this is no different.

Originally posted by the4thhorseman

My source

Omar M. Ahmad, chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic relations.
The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth,” he said. These quotes were published in the” San Ramon Valley Herald” on July 4, 1998

There is my source.


Ah yes the typical response quoting the from the OT in these cases. If one has not studied the OT and NT to see the bible as a whole one will never truly understand the differences and similarities of both and the reason for both.

Here are some from the Qur'an:

9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

polytheists-the believe in more than one God. Christians believe in the Trinity.

4:171O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught ... ) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) ...


9:29Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor ... forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) ... the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. ...

That's my point. You see their verses that advocate violence and say "They all want to kill us! They want to eat our children! Waaaaaaaa!"

Then the verses advocating the same or similar from your religion come up and it's "Oh, you don't understand the subtle nuances, and the change from Old Testament to New Testament, and it's not really valid."

Give me a break.

And again, what he said there is also the respective belief of nearly every religion. Don't you, as a Christian, believe that the U.S. should follow Christian-based laws and everyone should be Christian?

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


Christmas is a Federal holiday. Big difference. "Winning hearts & minds" translation is Brainwashing. Silent weapons for quiet wars. I'm all for freedom. I'm for believing that unless we let others have their freedom we can't have our freedom. But this has nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by Jason88
We can cherry pick all day, especially home grown groups in the US versus their Muslim counterparts. At the end of the day, there are sick people in all quarters.

That is absolutely true. We need to get moderate Muslims on our side to combat the sick Muslims.

reply to post by soaringhawk


Christmas is a christian holiday celebrated by Christians and endorsed by the federal government. Eid is a Muslim holiday and it is no different. Christians don't celebrate Eid, and Muslims don't celebrate Christmas.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Jason88
We can cherry pick all day, especially home grown groups in the US versus their Muslim counterparts. At the end of the day, there are sick people in all quarters.

That is absolutely true. We need to get moderate Muslims on our side to combat the sick Muslims.

I really wish people wouldn't call us "moderate" any longer.

If one actually read the Qur'an, not an anti-islamic critics commentary of it..
If one actually met, sat, chatted, and ate with a muslim..
If one actually visited a masjid with an open HEART, not necessarily mind..

Then you'd see that we aren't "moderate" muslims, we are REAL muslims, and the other dudes are just messed up...

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

Christmas is a Federal holiday. Big difference. "Winning hearts & minds" translation is Brainwashing. Silent weapons for quiet wars. I'm all for freedom. I'm for believing that unless we let others have their freedom we can't have our freedom. But this has nothing to do with that.

Riiiiight because the federal government celebrates Jesus' birthday? Wait... JESUS' birthday??? Wasn't Jesus a RELIGIOUS FIGURE??

wow...you fail..

All muslim follow Islamic laws, right? then I will say no more, Islamic laws can never cohexist with the laws of a nation like the US that was founded on laws.

Sad but truth.

Jahiliyyah (Arabic: جاهلية‎ ǧāhiliyyah/jāhilīyah "ignorance") is an Islamic concept of "ignorance of divine guidance" or "the state of ignorance of the guidance from God"[1] or "Days of Ignorance"[2] referring to the condition in which Arabs found themselves in pre-Islamic Arabia, i.e. prior to the revelation of the Qur'an to Muhammad. The root of the term jahiliyyah is the I-form verb yajhalu "to be ignorant or stupid, to act stupidly".[3] By extension, it has come to refer to the state of anyone not following Islam and the Qur'an.

en.wikipedia.org...

Without Islam laws is not Islam, meaning that any other laws in any countries goes against the teachings of Islam

So taking this into consideration the so call "moderate muslin" is nothing but deceiving, you either follow islamic laws as a muslim or you are not a muslim at all

Islam, on the other hand, is people's worshipping Allah alone, and deriving concepts and beliefs, laws and regulations from the authority of Allah, and freeing themselves from the servitude to Allah's servants. This is the very nature of Islam and the nature of its role on earth.

Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible. Command belongs to Allah, or otherwise to Jahiliyyah; Allah's Shari'ah will prevail, or else people's desires: "And if they do not respond to you, then know that they only follow their own lusts. And who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, without guidance from Allah? Verily! Allah guides not the people who are disobedient."[28:50]; "Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allah for a people who have firm faith"[5:50].

islamworld.net...

Originally posted by marg6043
All muslim follow Islamic laws, right? then I will say no more, Islamic laws can never cohexist with the laws of a nation like the US that was founded on laws.

Sad but truth.

Jahiliyyah (Arabic: جاهلية‎ ǧāhiliyyah/jāhilīyah "ignorance") is an Islamic concept of "ignorance of divine guidance" or "the state of ignorance of the guidance from God"[1] or "Days of Ignorance"[2] referring to the condition in which Arabs found themselves in pre-Islamic Arabia, i.e. prior to the revelation of the Qur'an to Muhammad. The root of the term jahiliyyah is the I-form verb yajhalu "to be ignorant or stupid, to act stupidly".[3] By extension, it has come to refer to the state of anyone not following Islam and the Qur'an.

en.wikipedia.org...

Without Islam laws is not Islam, meaning that any other laws in any countries goes against the teachings of Islam

So taking this into consideration the so call "moderate muslin" is nothing but deceiving, you either follow islamic laws as a muslim or you are not a muslim at all

Islam, on the other hand, is people's worshipping Allah alone, and deriving concepts and beliefs, laws and regulations from the authority of Allah, and freeing themselves from the servitude to Allah's servants. This is the very nature of Islam and the nature of its role on earth.

Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible. Command belongs to Allah, or otherwise to Jahiliyyah; Allah's Shari'ah will prevail, or else people's desires: "And if they do not respond to you, then know that they only follow their own lusts. And who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, without guidance from Allah? Verily! Allah guides not the people who are disobedient."[28:50]; "Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allah for a people who have firm faith"[5:50].

islamworld.net...

Problem with this whole "source" you dug up is that it's one mans commentary NOT quotes from the Qur'an. The Qur'an commands muslims to follow the laws of the land. That is ANY land in which a muslim lives, and to not cause mischief. That quote from Qur'an is enough for REAL muslims, to debunk anything from simple minded people that you dig up.

reply to post by RedGod


I'm all for learning about cultures, but having students participate in religious worship is wrong. Christians cannot pray in a public school today because the school will face a lawsuit likely which has happened several times in our recent history. I know the facts and you can't tell me different.
All the time separation of church & state is used when students were led in prayer, or prayer at a football game, or removing crosses, removing the 10 Commandments from a court house in Alabama, stopping the pledge of allegiance and many other unconstitutional actions.
These happen because these people are enemies of our government, the Constitution and they are Socialist working to destroy this nation. They have infiltrated our society up to the highest levels of government. The ACLU founder said Communism is the goal. The fulfillment of Socialism is Communism. Again, I know what I'm talking about and you do not.

It's people like you that are either knowingly helping to destroy this nation or out of ignorance. You and those like you have a lot to learn and I hope you do before it's too late.

Originally posted by RedGod
That's my point. You see their verses that advocate violence and say "They all want to kill us! They want to eat our children! Waaaaaaaa!"

Then the verses advocating the same or similar from your religion come up and it's "Oh, you don't understand the subtle nuances, and the change from Old Testament to New Testament, and it's not really valid."

Give me a break.

Its important to remember that most Muslims, like most people just want a quiet life. Luckily extremists Muslims are not most Muslims, but they do exist in every Muslim community in the West. Sadly they attach themselves to communities of Muslims that often move to the West to escape extremists.

To pretend that these extremists don't exist or don't matter is a grave disservice to moderate Muslims.

USA: New York Police Department :Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat

www.nypdshield.org...

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


Christmas is a Christian holiday. But for the majority it's a commercialized event simply buying and receiving gifts. Having absolutely nothing at all to do with Jesus and you know it. In one city a Christmas festival was called festival of lights. Those of you that speak in support of this but have no word about the illegal actions taken against Christians, Christianity or Christian celebrations are either ignorant or serve those that are working to destroy this nation.

Originally posted by RedGod


That's my point. You see their verses that advocate violence and say "They all want to kill us! They want to eat our children! Waaaaaaaa!"

Then the verses advocating the same or similar from your religion come up and it's "Oh, you don't understand the subtle nuances, and the change from Old Testament to New Testament, and it's not really valid."

Give me a break.

And again, what he said there is also the respective belief of nearly every religion. Don't you, as a Christian, believe that the U.S. should follow Christian-based laws and everyone should be Christian?

No I will not give you a break. There are no differences in the Qur'an. Newer laws over rule the older laws why is hard to believe the same for Christianity? The difference is the law never changes concerning the dealings with Jews and Christians.

I ask you what makes a law Christian. Our laws most of them anyway all stem from the building blocks found in the bible. Do not get confused with the laws of God and Christianity

So if you live in the US you are already subject to laws built upon the laws of God and Christianity. Do I believe everyone should be a Christian? That is not up to me to decide, we are all given freewill from God to follow Him or not. He would like all of us to follow Him but He knows that not all of us will.

IF there is no afterlife then I have lost nothing, I have had a good life. If I am right I have gained everything and those who choose not to believe will have lost everything.

If you ask why would God create non-believers? God uses all men both holy and unholy to accomplish His will.

For anybody that is trying to play the political correctness in this thread while trying to defend the Mass decision better learn the truth behind Islam law because obviously you have been deceived by propaganda of so call "Muslim moderates"

Muslim Loyalty to
Non-Muslim Governments

Muslims are not meant to be ruled by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is very clear that they are to resist unbelievers by any means until Islam establishes political supremacy. This doesn't mean that everyone must be forced to become Muslim, but rather that everyone must submit to Muslim rule.

There you have it, it is not Islamic law to be ruled by none Muslim so then why do Muslim migrate to countries that are not ruled by Islam? very simple to root themselves out and try to change the nations laws

In Islam, loyalty is to Allah and his religion. It cannot be to a kafir country. As the former mufti of the Grand Mosque in Mecca put it in a recent fatwa, "His homeland may be not Islamic, so how can he be loyal to his homeland?"

Scholar Jamal Badawi insists that, "Muslims should not melt in any pot except the Muslim brotherhood pot."

Is again the islamic laws to embrace other nations laws and to become part of the nations that are none Islamic way of live.

Islam teaches that nations are in one of two major categories - Dar-al Harb (house of war) and Dar-al-Islam (Muslim rule). Any nation that is not Muslim is therefore, by definition, at war with Islam (or, at best, in contradiction to the preferred order). Muslims cannot be expected to maintain loyalty to a nation that is at war with their religion.

Again why move to countries that are not of Muslim believes and Islamic law?Because they are in agenda of changing countries law to Islam

To be fair, some Muslim scholars contend that there is a middle ground, Dar al-Ahd (land of covenant) or Dar al-Sulh (land of truce), in which non-Muslim countries agree to allow Muslims to practice their faith and evangelize freely in exchange for peace (rights that are formally denied to infidels in Islamic lands). Scholars consider this a transitional period leading to the eventual triumph of Islam via conversion.

Plain and simple to understand.

Even a government of Muslims is not necessarily a Muslim government. Islam requires Islamic law, therefore theocracy is the only pure form of government. In fact, this is what propels the vast majority of violence in the Muslim world, which victimizes Muslims themselves more than any other group.

Although Muslim apologists sometimes claim that Islamic terrorists aren't Muslim by virtue of the fact that they kill other Muslims, the Qur'an advocates striving against both unbelievers and hypocrites, the latter of which are Muslims who profess Islam, but do not support Islamic rule over the way of the infidel as required (see Muslim 20-4696).

Hypocrites include any government which does not uphold strict Sharia, as well as those that make alliances with a non-Muslim country (thereby making covenants and truces quite difficult to legitimize). This is the real reason terrorists kill fellow Muslims, particularly local police, troops and officials who are in the service of such governments.

.www.thereligionofpeace.com...

The foremost duty of Islam in this world is to depose Jahiliyyah (unbelievers) from the leadership of man, and to take the leadership into its own hands and enforce the particular way of life which is its permanent feature."

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Now, see why somebody like me have a problem with the Mass. Islamic holiday? that is because it smells of agenda like crap.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
I really wish people wouldn't call us "moderate" any longer.

If one actually read the Qur'an, not an anti-islamic critics commentary of it..
If one actually met, sat, chatted, and ate with a muslim..
If one actually visited a masjid with an open HEART, not necessarily mind..

Then you'd see that we aren't "moderate" muslims, we are REAL muslims, and the other dudes are just messed up...

That's for sure. I'm glad that you are reclaiming Islam from the people who bomb, murder and maim in the name of Islam.

It is sad however that Muslim extremists find so much in the life of Muhammad and his deeds to back up their own violent extremism.

reply to post by marg6043


Stop quoting random people and quote the QUR'AN!!

Islam isn't a religious tradition based off some random guy talking out the side of his face, WE HAVE A SCRIPTURE.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by sageofmonticello

 

Who said I dont like them? I dont agree with them trying to establish their countries beliefs in MY COUNTRY. Yes I sais MY country.

It's their country too.

reply to post by marg6043


You might as well tell it to a brick wall. I recommend the satanic verses. Let's not forget Muhammad married Aisha when she was just 6 and had sex with her at the age of 9.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by relpobre000

 

There are many GOOD thing about being ethnocentric. Look it up again. EVERY country is ethnocentric. ( means they feel their cultures and values and beliefs are superior to anothers. So how is that bad?

It's bad because the United States population comes from every ethnicity possible in the world. The Great American Melting Pot.

Christmas Day is a recognized holiday because of Santa Claus, not Jesus of Nazareth. Not a religious holiday.

edit:
I want to slam this thread so bad, but that T&C thing keeps me in check. Still, bad form OP.

Originally posted by primus2012

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by relpobre000

 

There are many GOOD thing about being ethnocentric. Look it up again. EVERY country is ethnocentric. ( means they feel their cultures and values and beliefs are superior to anothers. So how is that bad?

It's bad because the United States population comes from every ethnicity possible in the world. The Great American Melting Pot.

Christmas Day is a recognized holiday because of Santa Claus, not Jesus of Nazareth. Not a religious holiday.

The origin is what matters. Just because people took the religion out of Christmas, doesn't mean that Christians aren't in church commemorating the day. Who cares what other people do. They aren't the ones who invented Christmas!