White House responds to We the People petition about ET

Originally posted by xpoq47
reply to post by something wicked

 

Well, one piece of evidence we know the government did possses and might not yet have destroyed is the footage from Project Twinkle. That would nail down not the existence of extraterrestials per se but just that UFOs do exist and allow pretty accurate calculations of the sizes and flight characteristics of the objects captured by two cinetheodolites at a time, providing azimuth, elevation, and timing data displayed on each frame of the motion-picture film in stereophotography.

Project Twinkle

As to existence of the Roswell debris, all the smoking-gun evidence we have is perhaps the photo of the Ramey memo.

Actually, there is no proof of evidence of ET life from the supposed project twinkle. There is no evidence that ET landed at Roswell - sure, both may have earned people a living in books and public appearences, but no evidence at all. I'm sorry, I would also love to believe, but the only thing you have without evidence is faith and that area is strictly reserved for religion.

Whatever the White House wants to say is fine and good. But is it the truth? I went to a few different stories about this. This is what I found.

The "We the People," initiative in which the Obama administration officially responds to any petition that receives more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days. Why did the White House respond to these petitions when they were short 8,000 signatures?
Link to full story.

“In September, the White House launched "We the People," an initiative in which the Obama administration officially responds to any petition that receives more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days. The petitions assert that extraterrestrials exist on Earth and that the government has gone to great lengths to hide that information. How did the government respond? Phil Larson, who works in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said, "The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race." The official White House response also states that "there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye." One questions remains: Why did the White House respond to these petitions when they were short 8,000 signatures? There were other petitions that did not get a response concerning same-sex marriage, Keystone XL Pipeline, and the Electoral College. At the time of this posting, only the Electoral College petition had more than 17,000 signatures. It has gained 19,082 signatures so far, and the White House has yet issue a response.

The petition was short 8,000 signatures! Why did they feel that they had to respond to THIS petition, and not the others (the ones that would be the most important in the minds of the majority of Americans) that are also short of signatures.

Seems kind of odd doesn't it?

It's easy to lie in writing. You never see the president, head of CIA or DOD stating these facts on video, because of body language and the ability to detect deception. So they make up whatever story to their MSM puppets.

Originally posted by mikemck1976
Whatever the White House wants to say is fine and good. But is it the truth? I went to a few different stories about this. This is what I found.

The "We the People," initiative in which the Obama administration officially responds to any petition that receives more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days. Why did the White House respond to these petitions when they were short 8,000 signatures?
Link to full story.

“In September, the White House launched "We the People," an initiative in which the Obama administration officially responds to any petition that receives more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days. The petitions assert that extraterrestrials exist on Earth and that the government has gone to great lengths to hide that information. How did the government respond? Phil Larson, who works in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said, "The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race." The official White House response also states that "there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye." One questions remains: Why did the White House respond to these petitions when they were short 8,000 signatures? There were other petitions that did not get a response concerning same-sex marriage, Keystone XL Pipeline, and the Electoral College. At the time of this posting, only the Electoral College petition had more than 17,000 signatures. It has gained 19,082 signatures so far, and the White House has yet issue a response.

The petition was short 8,000 signatures! Why did they feel that they had to respond to THIS petition, and not the others (the ones that would be the most important in the minds of the majority of Americans) that are also short of signatures.

Seems kind of odd doesn't it?

Well it wasn`t 25000 signatures at first. They upped it to that because of all of the petitions. They don`t have the resources to handle them all. All though they could hire a one more person with a 80 0000 dollar salary to handle all these if it pleases you, and the American tax payers in general.

reply to post by sean


Or perhaps they don't bother making videos replying directly because they have more important things to deal with, like, say, the economic crisis, the wars, or the hundreds of other issues affecting the States.

Frankly, I think the government is too incompetent for such a coverup. They couldn't even keep the Watergate Scandal under wraps!

reply to post by SuperKawaiiNibiru

Sure they can keep secrets. Watergate is nothing compared to a dead alien on a slab. If you're a top dog scientists down in a basement carving on that alien making a million a year income I am sure you could keep a secret. They have screening processes to ensure that nothing gets out like thumb drives with data on them. They have you strip down into special garments, step through detectors and x-ray machines, shower after exposure. Kind of like a ultra level secure clean room with Ebola virus in there. The security there is top notch you can't even sneeze in there without someone knowing about it, they have sensors on top of sensors and camera's everywhere in that place. They even have sensors on the drinking fountains and the drain pipes (not kidding). Most levels and rooms are compartmentalized and have just 2-3 people working in them area's. So if word got out it wouldn't be hard to find out who did it. Most will just say it's a doctored photo or something anyways. Even if you could sneak a camera or photo out, some places are under special hoods and lighting or so dark you wouldn't know what the hell you was looking at anyways. The only way probably to find out what's going on in these facilities is to work there for yourself.

Originally posted by libertytoall

Originally posted by ljib777
Their response to the petition is typical and the rest of the world is laughing at US.

The more they deny the truth, the more the rest of the world looks at us with contempt and suspicion.

We know the truth and it will all come out in the open soon enough.

Once the LORD GOD gives the green light, 5th trumpet, then there will be no more denying anything.

This country's leadership brings nothing but shame to the people living here.

But more shame, confusion and wrath to themselves then the population with the borders.

All I can say is GROWUP REPROBATES. The Lord Jesus is at the door and time for repentance is getting slimmer as eevery day passes.

It's US and Israeli top secret technology, Why on earth would they confirm or describe it? Use common sense..

U.S. Advanced Tech.....sure....but Israeli Advanced Tech? Not on any level close to U.S. tech.....no where NEAR close. Split Infinity

Another cool airliner sighting that predates Area 51 is the Chiles-Whitted sighting, Eastern Airlines, 1948.

Chiles-Whitted sighting

Key phrase:

The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race.

I buy that. C'mon, if aliens had travelled millions of light years through space to visit another planet they would likely be seeking contact with the greatest intelligence on that destination planet.

No surprises that the U.S. Government doesn't have a scooby about it...

Originally posted by Erno86


Logical One - A question: Have you read or heard about this TWA Flight 117; UFO incident, and your opinion or thoughts about what the UFO could have been?



Thanks,

Erno86

Erno I had to read this account of the TWA 117 incident as I had not known about it previously:

www.nicap.org...

There's not too much I can find on the internet as to the authenticity of the incident.......but two things struck me as a little odd on first reading the account.

"The DC-3, Flight 117, was cruising at 2,000 feet when a strange red light below and behind the airliner suddenly caught Manning's eye"

2,000 feet...........that's extremely low I thought to myself.......so I took the liberty to find out what a DC-3 's normal cruising height would be. 10,000 feet seems to be the normal cruising altitude some 5 times that of the cruising altitude reported in that account.

And then this paragraph also raised my eyebrows somewhat:
"Calling the hostess, Gloria Hinshaw, Adickes told her to alert the passengers. To make sure he had plenty of witnesses, he went back into the cabin, watching the passengers' reaction. When he returned to the cockpit, he tried once more to bank in for a closer look. When the disc again slid away, he cut in sharply, at full throttle, for a direct chase."

The first thing that doesn't seem to ring true is that the pilot is "banking" and giving "direct chase" to the object.........now you might expect this from a pilot in a military jet......or even a private jet.........but NOT on a commercial jet with passengers on board.
Would a commercial pilot really deviate off his course and speed to "chase" a UFO........putting his passengers in possible danger from both the manoeuvres of the DC-3 and the UFO.

To me Erno, this account just seems too suspect to really take seriously.

But let's just say for argument sake this incident was genuine, red/ orange lights could be anything from man made aircraft/missiles/spy balloons to natural phenomena not known back in the 1950's.

In fact, 22/23,000ft would be a 'normal' cruising altitude for a DC3 but that doesnt rule out an unpressurized aircraft flying at 2000 ft........

I'm no expert on altitudes of air routes of that era, but that was in 1950, and here's a quote about a flight in a DC-3 in 1961 (more than a decade later), not a UFO story but relevant to the question of altitude:

Back in those days we very seldom cruised much above the prescribed MEA (minimum enroute altitude). This day was no exception to the rule, a leisurely 145 knots at about 3,000' or so. Every foot of altitude we'd reach at cruise needed to take into consideration the physical considerations of our passenger's ears during the subsequent descent, about 300' per minute was our desired rate in the twenty-six passenger unpressurized DC-3's cabin.

Link

Various sources cite minimum en route altitudes of 1,000, 1,500, or 2,000 feet for nonmountainous areas (higher for areas of cold weather).

Here are some UFO cases involving DC-3s:
DC-3 cases

In the Chiles-Whitted case I linked a few posts up, the altitude mentioned was 5,000 feetl.

Originally posted by casinoed
Key phrase:

The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race.

I buy that. C'mon, if aliens had travelled millions of light years through space to visit another planet they would likely be seeking contact with the greatest intelligence on that destination planet.

No surprises that the U.S. Government doesn't have a scooby about it...

Over the last few decades of U.S. Presidents.....this is the small number that knew about E.T.'s existance since the First Atomic Bomb was detonated in the American Desert. TRUMAN....IKE....JOHNSON....NIXON....FORD....BUSH SR.

This is the group of U.S. Presidents that knew certain groups or AGENCIES within the U.S. Military and Civilian Goverment.....were running ops either directly involving E.T. or E.T. Tech.....TRUMAN....IKE....NIXON....BUSH SR.

THIS is the number and name of the U.S. President that is considered the FOUNDING FATHER of all that is E.T.....the number is ONE....his name is DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER.

This is the number and name of the U.S. President that has been compared to IKE as far as this issue and is responsible more so than any other U.S. President for making E.T. Protochols have the ability to EVOLVE thus stay relevent......GEORGE H.W. BUSH.

This is the name of the President who was not supposed to know nor was clearance approved for his knowing or being given any information pertaining to E.T......however....the respect and love and admiration of his Vice President....compromised for the first time....protochols in place for decades....as to who gets to be in the know.....RONALD REAGAN. It is of great debate and difficult to know exactly how much Reagan was made aware about....but he was.

Point of all this? If a STANDING U.S. PRESIDENT is on a NEED TO KNOW basis as far a s any knowledge concerning E.T......do any of us really think....it is the fault of Barack Obama if he say's he doesn't know?

Split Infinity

this is a link to a recording of an astronaut speaking about an alien ship in there view from the shuttle there were on.
youtube... watch,some of it is in russian for a few seconds then the astronaut speaks english.

The fact that once again the White house has completely stone-walled our attempt at the truth again is enough to drive anyone crazy, Despite thousands upon thousands of reports from highly reputable members of our Government and military installations. What I do not understand is this; "The Government" is a collection of people, and there have been many "Collections of people" that have worked in High ranking positions within the Government that have already come out publicly and admitted there is a cover up...we do NOT need any more than that...all it means is that it requires those who want to know to do their own research, maybe it is better that way...Only the Intelligent can handle a truth such as this anyway.

Originally posted by sean
reply to post by SuperKawaiiNibiru

 

Sure they can keep secrets. Watergate is nothing compared to a dead alien on a slab. If you're a top dog scientists down in a basement carving on that alien making a million a year income I am sure you could keep a secret. They have screening processes to ensure that nothing gets out like thumb drives with data on them. They have you strip down into special garments, step through detectors and x-ray machines, shower after exposure. Kind of like a ultra level secure clean room with Ebola virus in there. The security there is top notch you can't even sneeze in there without someone knowing about it, they have sensors on top of sensors and camera's everywhere in that place. They even have sensors on the drinking fountains and the drain pipes (not kidding). Most levels and rooms are compartmentalized and have just 2-3 people working in them area's. So if word got out it wouldn't be hard to find out who did it. Most will just say it's a doctored photo or something anyways. Even if you could sneak a camera or photo out, some places are under special hoods and lighting or so dark you wouldn't know what the hell you was looking at anyways. The only way probably to find out what's going on in these facilities is to work there for yourself.

Which I guess from this post we are to assume you do ???? You sure know a lot about how they operate.

reply to post by Logical one


Seeing a high speed aircraft is one thing. Watching it abruptly reverse direction, continuing at the same speed without any apparent slowdown is quite another. That's what I saw.

reply to post by SuperKawaiiNibiru


The officials that we might look to for answers are being seriously threatened. It's easy to keep secrets, if your family is in danger, you know it is credible, and you know there is nothing you can do about it.

Originally posted by xpoq47

Various sources cite minimum en route altitudes of 1,000, 1,500, or 2,000 feet for nonmountainous areas (higher for areas of cold weather).

Still not too convinced by this account, especially the pilot banking and giving chase to the UFO.....not in a passenger jet with passengers on board.......especially at such a low altitude.

I mean just suppose the plane caught up with the UFO..........what then?

I've heard quite a few "sightings" of UFOs from pilots..........but this 1950s TWA account isn't a strong one in my opinion if you are looking for "evidence" that MR ET is in our skies.

Originally posted by sorgfelt

Seeing a high speed aircraft is one thing. Watching it abruptly reverse direction, continuing at the same speed without any apparent slowdown is quite another. That's what I saw.

If that is indeed an accurate account of what you saw, then you saw something unusual......but usual doesn't rule out natural phenomena or secret craft or technologies.

Some will argue that man would not tolerate the "G" forces involved in such a manoeuvre.......but we know that the US military is currently using a lot of unmanned equipment like drones and possibly remote controlled robotic "soldiers! (not like the Terminator but more like WALL·E type).........so it stands to reason that the military may well be testing out super sophisticated unmanned craft.