Iran is on the verge of getting the Bomb. It is time for President Barack Obama to act

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

I'd be surprised if Iran attacked before next October. Why waste a good crises unless it will help you get reelected?

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by kykweer

 

You would be shocked.. very shocked.
If NK went in. They would lose the war, but they would annihilate SK before they were taken out.

On topic I think I have said all there is to say: Israel and US are trying to get Iran to do a Preemptive strike by announcing that Israel is going to preemptively strike Iran. Israel is doing that for two reasons 1.) because if they can goad Iran into a strike now, they know the strike won't be nuclear. 2.) Will justify the war that starts to more of the world than if Israel struck Iran first. Iran won't fall for it though.

Iran will never be the first to strike. They spend too much time playing the victim like Hamas does in the Gaza Strip. They'll just keep "poking" Israel with rockets until Israel has had enough and makes the first BIG move!

edit on 5-11-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

Why should Isreal attack Iran?
She will just get her lap puppy Amerika to attack for her....why risk her people when US young men are so willing to go die in undefined wars?

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


There probably wouldn't be an issue if the "wipe Israel off the map" comments weren't made, oooh about 2 dozen times, from the Iranian regime.

Originally posted by DoctorSatan
New war in Iran???? Iran Part 3??? Yes!!!! I always wanted another sequel. The previous two were EPIC!!!
/Sarcasm

Well, it took them some years to change your (mind)sets and settings...


"Top Dem Wesley Clark Says ‘N.Y. Money People’ Pushing War With Iran
By Nathan Guttman
Published January 12, 2007"

www.forward.com...


"Look back at FDR and the Great Depression. What finally resolved that economic crisis? World War II.

Here is where Obama is likely to prevail. With strong Republican support in Congress for challenging Iran's ambition to become a nuclear power, he can spend much of 2011 and 2012 orchestrating a showdown with the mullahs. This will help him politically because the opposition party will be urging him on. And as tensions rise and we accelerate preparations for war, the economy will improve."

www.washingtonpost.com...

March on, you brave soldiers of fortune!

Originally posted by Expat888

Originally posted by kykweer

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by BRITWARRIOR

 

Or just get Israel to shut the %^$% up and stop crying like a baby and getting others to do their dirty work..

Let a few Israelis die and see how quickly the rest of Israelis realize what has been going on..

All the israelis grew up In that world, they probably know what it is about more than any of us. I don't know where you get they are cry babies who gets others to do their dirty work?

What I notice is that the Palestinians continuously fire missiles into israel... Then israel fired back ten times more. Palestinians will kidnap 1 israeli, then the israelis counters by kidnapping 500 palestinians.

The israelis grew up in that atmosphere and have become seriously battle hardened while also building a first world country.

I'm not supporting israel, but I'm not blind enough to support Palestine. Its like a small kid that keeps pulling the dogs tail and when the dog bites the kids goes and cry to everyone, but goes straight back to pulling the dogs tail.

*facepalm*

murdering unarmed civilians, the elderly, women and children doesnt make the israelis battlehardened. It makes them cowardly mass murderers with neither conscience nor honour. Israelis are lower than beasts.

Well those so called men women & children you speak of, shouldn't of been lunching rocket attacks at other men women & children next door, "there all at it" So.. to stop firing rockets is the obvious thing to do here if you want to live, you can't kill someone and not expect to be shot at back, or expect Israel to just do nothing, Iran funds this activity, and they are the route cause of all its problems

You need get to the route course to fix a problem my friend, you're half way there, come on you can do it with a little more brain power i know you can, only then you maybe find yourself on the right side of, wrong & right,

Yes we know Israel kills many, yes they do, they have become very good at DEFENDING ITSELF!!! sheeeshhh lots of people failing the basics in here, oh sorry i mean ignoring

reply to post by BRITWARRIOR


have seen more than a share over the years..from 4 tours in vietnam with s.o.g back in the 60's to providing medical treatment to people in warzones and disaster areas over the years since where most wont even set foot in.. Including gaza where I provided medical treatment to palestinians and even a couple israeli's ironically took a bullet from an israeli while was working on an israeli.. seen firsthand the atrocities israelis commit on unarmed civilians by far worse than any that saw elsewhere only place nearly that bad was cambodia under pol pot .. I live with nightmares of the atrocities that saw commited by israelis in gaza for those unfortunates still in gaza its a continuos nightmare.. I will continue to speak out against israel and its atrocities in the hope that one day israelis are tried for genocide and crimes against humanity. Good day end of.

It is all for Israel! Israel wants to take military action against Iran. It is hypocrisy at it's worst. Israel illegally developed nuclear weapons themselves. They should be the last to complain about Iran. The world would be safer with a nuclear free middle east, but is is Israel who stands in that way. It is Israel who started the nuclear arms race in the middle-east. Democratic or not, the Israeli government is as dangerous as that of Iran.

And than there is the United States of America who continues to gives billions in socalled "aid" to Israel to give them a large military . A military that commited violations of international law. And I don't even mention that they copntinue to build settlements in occupied land.

reply to post by lightyears

Israel illegally developed nuclear weapons themselves. They should be the last to complain about Iran.

Israel hasn't threatened another Middle East country to be "wiped off the map" either, THAT'S THE DAMN ISSUE. No one is doing much about North Korea's intentions, no one did much at all about Pakistan. The crackpots in Iran are threatening to use a weapon. And don't tell me that "wipe Israel off the map" is a poor translation from Persian culture. The Iranians said the same phrase in their English translations they produced.

They've repeated this numerous times. Wake up.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Israel hasn't threatened another Middle East country to be "wiped off the map" either, THAT'S THE DAMN ISSUE.

Netyanyahu just went before the UN and declared Israel a JEWISH State. In case you missed it.


The list of countries who still don't recognize Israel are getting slaughtered right now. We are still fighting religious wars.

Israel got weapons to kill everyone on this planet. They will take their place above the human race. Zion.

reply to post by Pervius


Arbitrary conjecture. "We will wipe Israel of the map" is a matter of historical fact. Can you provide a simular quote from the "Zionist Regime" in Jerusalem?

Take your time.

Originally posted by Expat888
reply to post by BRITWARRIOR

 

have seen more than a share over the years..from 4 tours in vietnam with s.o.g back in the 60's to providing medical treatment to people in warzones and disaster areas over the years since where most wont even set foot in.. Including gaza where I provided medical treatment to palestinians and even a couple israeli's ironically took a bullet from an israeli while was working on an israeli.. seen firsthand the atrocities israelis commit on unarmed civilians by far worse than any that saw elsewhere only place nearly that bad was cambodia under pol pot .. I live with nightmares of the atrocities that saw commited by israelis in gaza for those unfortunates still in gaza its a continuos nightmare.. I will continue to speak out against israel and its atrocities in the hope that one day israelis are tried for genocide and crimes against humanity. Good day end of.

Can you provide evidence to your story or should we just take your word for it?, nether the less its a cool story bro

The Israel and Iran issue is nothing but political madness. I feel sorry for the American families who have no choice but to sacrifice their sons and daughters lives in the name of political madness. I am glad i left the Navy so i dont have to fight the politicians battles.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

It would be good for Iran to get a nuke. They would be able to tell the rest of the world to shove it. That would be good for peace.

Iran isn't going to attack anybody, they haven't in a very long time. Seems they are only interested in defending themselves. I've seen no hard evidence to the contrary.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

I am sharing your opinion. And its a fact, that in history Iran NEVER attacked another country. But it had to defend itself many times.

I went reecently to Tehran. The people are so open minded and nice. They are less islamic and more western than most people can imagine.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed





I don't like Iran or any country having a Nuke. But, who are we to tell other countries what they can and can't do.

Conflict in Israel has been a reality whenever Israel has existed as a nation. Whether it was the Egyptians, Amalekites, Midianites, Moabites, Ammonites, Amorites, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, or Romans, the nation of Israel has always been surrounded by and persecuted by its neighbors. Why is this? According to the Bible, it is because God has a special plan for the nation of Israel, and Satan wants to defeat that plan. Satanically influenced hatred of Israel—and especially Israel’s God—is the reason Israel’s neighbors have always wanted to see Israel destroyed. Whether it is Sennacherib, king of Assyria; Haman, official of Persia; Hitler, leader of Nazi Germany; or Ahmadinejad, President of Iran, attempts to ultimately destroy Israel will always fail.


John 16:1-4 - " I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. 3 And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me. 4 But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told them to you."

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by Cosmic4life

 

well israel does not threaten to destroy countries or wipe them of the face of the earth.

And israel puts state before religion unlike islamic regime iran and their crazy clerics...

Get an education...

...Israel is a Jewish State...it is an apartheid state based on religion...fact.

Israel has threatened to turn Tehran into glass many times over..fact.

It was Israel that flew into sovereign territory in Syria to bomb alleged "nuclear facilities" while hypocritically maintaining its own.

It is Israel that is making the threats to bomb Iran.

And for the thousandth time Iran has never said it wants to wipe Israel off the map, what they actually say is that the "fabricated government of Israel should be removed from the face of the Earth"..end quote.

For the record i am not opposed to Israel existing, a two state solution is the only solution, sadly there are forces on BOTH sides who do not want this to happen.

I and many others can see that a strike on Iran will only serve to fan the flames of an already critical situation, my position is quite clear, i am opposed to blatant hypocrisy and warmongering.

It is very easy to sit back in your comfy chair and push for a war against Iran when you haven't seen the resulting carnage or smelt the stench of death or heard the cries of shell-shocked children as they stumble through the rubble holding a piece of their parents arm as has been the case many times in Gazza.

I do not want to see anyone experience such atrocities, not Jew or Muslim, not Israeli or Palestinian or Iranian.
It is an epic failure of human understanding, a failure of diplomacy and another unfolding tragedy for mankind.

But getting back to the points you have made..The creation of Israel is based on RELIGION, a Jewish state for Jewish people, given to them by God no less...is that Religious enough for you.

I am amazed by those of you who are certainly pro-Israel and anti-muslim, calling Iran a bunch of religious extremists, yet failing to see the historical fact that Israels very existence is based on religion, failing to see the irony of your hypocritical statements.

Where does your hatred for Iran come from ? who gave it to you ? have you ever been to Iran ? have you ever left the country in which you reside ? do you even possess a passport ?

At the end of the day we are all human beings and at the beginning of the day we are all human beings, who holds you and comforts you ? does it matter what color or creed or religion or nationality they are ? if you closed your eyes could you tell the difference ?

Don't be fooled by propaganda telling you that this is good and righteous, it isn't.

And last but not least, why should this even be on the radar of Britain and America, Iran is thousands of miles away, in what way do they threaten us ? Why should we act on the foreign policy of Israel ?

Cosmic..

Originally posted by C64Warrior

I am sharing your opinion. And its a fact, that in history Iran NEVER attacked another country. But it had to defend itself many times.

I went reecently to Tehran. The people are so open minded and nice. They are less islamic and more western than most people can imagine.

Then you better hope that Iran has another revolution where the people prevail, because neither Ahmadinejad or Khamenei thinks the same way they do!! That will be the only thing that saves the Iranian people!

reply to post by romanmel


Not in this one. If it's preemptive it will have to be Israel.

Originally posted by VI0811
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

I don't like Iran or any country having a Nuke. But, who are we to tell other countries what they can and can't do.

Are you totally mad?

Ok so lets give Iran nukes,

Anyone else want one? everybody can no have nukes no rules, go build them, we don't mind

Would you wan to live in a world where every nation has nukes? even ones that want you wiped of the face of the earth? how hard is it then going to be to keep track of all these nukes?, WELCOME TO ARMAGEDDON my friend the end days are very near

There needs to be strict rule and regulations on these hugely destructive devices, not even more relaxed rules and giving them to everybody who want one, if you're a peaceful civilized nation who can be trusted with the technology then fair enough, its like given a child a gun to play with, would you give your child a gun to play with?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Neither has Iran. They always cite that, but here is no evidence it was said.
I personally watched Fox news manipulate Iran's words concerning a weapon once. There was a legit new source that gave a weapons name, but Fox news took the name and attributed it as a statement/threat from Iran.

For example, and this isn't accurate just an example. Say Iran had a missile or drone called death from above, fox news rather than say that was the name of the weapon said that Iran had said there will be death from above on their enemies. Or something like that. They took it waaaay out of context.

I mean someone could do that with any countries weapon and make it sound crazy. How would we ever know if we rely on the news to translate for us.

Why does common sense always end up making me sound like I support regimes I don't really support?