Iran is on the verge of getting the Bomb. It is time for President Barack Obama to act

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Then Israel and USA are just allowed?

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by Deetermined
Yes, I do believe the Iranians would love to get rid of Ahmadinejad. Why do you think there was such an uproar after the 2009 elections??!!

Because of the extensive anti-Iranian regime clandestine operations being carried out there? CIA supports minority rebels that want to oust the Iranian regime, have even been allowing these rebels to stage attacks from Iraq into Iran from 2004 (source).

One last word of advice. You may want to change your stance on Hamas and Hezbollah before you find yourself on an American terrorist list. Not that it sounds like you care.

Oh yeah, is that a threat?

I'm not scared of your Thought Police. A lot of people know who I am and what I stand for, and taking me out would provoke sh*t tectonics that would invoke a sh*tquake. I am, for all intents and purposes, a civilian only armed with an educated opinion on human affairs. Is this against the law? Because it's not against the 1982 Human Rights and Freedoms Act that guarantees my right to belief. Or do you think that American law applies to Canada and American alphabet agencies have jurisdiction to silence me up here?

Pfft, a threat to label me a terrorist because I don't back Israel and its friends. And you question the liberty of Iranians

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I'm not telling you to support Israel and it's friends, but to support terrorist organizations will keep you on a watch list and prevent you from coming to America. This is why I tell you to educate yourself more on these organizations. If you really want an "educated opinion" you need to know what's going on from all sides, not just one.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by Deetermined
Yes, I do believe the Iranians would love to get rid of Ahmadinejad. Why do you think there was such an uproar after the 2009 elections??!!

Because of the extensive anti-Iranian regime clandestine operations being carried out there? CIA supports minority rebels that want to oust the Iranian regime, have even been allowing these rebels to stage attacks from Iraq into Iran from 2004 (source).

One last word of advice. You may want to change your stance on Hamas and Hezbollah before you find yourself on an American terrorist list. Not that it sounds like you care.

Oh yeah, is that a threat?

I'm not scared of your Thought Police. A lot of people know who I am and what I stand for, and taking me out would provoke sh*t tectonics that would invoke a sh*tquake. I am, for all intents and purposes, a civilian only armed with an educated opinion on human affairs. Is this against the law? Because it's not against the 1982 Human Rights and Freedoms Act that guarantees my right to belief. Or do you think that American law applies to Canada and American alphabet agencies have jurisdiction to silence me up here?

Pfft, a threat to label me a terrorist because I don't back Israel and its friends. And you question the liberty of Iranians

edit on 9-11-2011 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi because: (no reason given)

I'm not telling you to support Israel and it's friends, but to support terrorist organizations will keep you on a watch list and prevent you from coming to America. This is why I tell you to educate yourself more on these organizations. If you really want an "educated opinion" you need to know what's going on from all sides, not just one.

I'm quite aware of what is going on "on all sides". I'm just beyond propaganda. This makes me a terrorist?

And what in God's name makes you think I would ever want to go to the US? I would probably never make it past the TSA at the airport without causing an international incident involving my boot up some agent's ass.

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I've studied it from all sides too. Although America definitely has it's own agenda, I believe Iran's agenda to be the bigger threat. I just hope you'll still take my advice on reading the charters for Hamas and Hezbollah, since it's obvious you don't know their "mission statement".

We have to ask ourselves, what kind of war is this? Political? Religious? I think it's political for America and Religious for Iran. I think the latter makes for a more dangerous situation.

I am deeply troubled from the title of the thread. Really, hasn't America caused enough wars already?
Why should America step in by itself and attack Iran? Remember, that before the Iraq war the USA told everyone to justify the war that Iraq had nuclear weapons, which proved later to be false. Do you know what a nuclear war would mean to the whole region? That the USA would not only threaten Iran but all the neighboring countries as well. Cancers would skyrocket for decades. Do you not care about this? And do you know what war means? Children and women starving, dying, having no medicines and no help. If Iran turns out to be a serious threat, then the UN will act against it. Why the rush for America to do so? You are lucky to not have suffered a war at your own territory, and it troubles me to see that that's probably why you are so blood thirsty (and of course I do not speak this way for all Americans, only for the ones that are anxious to start a bloody war, without having to suffer the consequences themselves).
I apologize for being a bit severe, but I strongly believe that war is not a game, and people should realize what would happen to them if their country, their territory was under attack, and then realize that no one has the right to do so on someone else.
Naturally, the exact same thing goes for Iran as well.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

It's obvious that you've never been taught anything about Iran.

Actually I thoroughly studied Iran from Mosedeqq to the Shah to the 1979 revolution in one of my classes alone. I even wrote a paper comparing Lenin's revolutionary theory to what actually happened during the 1979 revolution; came out with interesting results that really opened my mind to the reality of how revolutions happen.

First, it's clear that you either support Hamas and Hezbollah or you've never learned anything about them.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinian territories. This election took place after the US and Israel engaged in a huge media campaign to show how the Palestinians were going to elect in pro-Israeli government... but when Hamas actually won, Israel and the US both condemned Palestinians and declared the democratic elections to be illegitimate. Israel has been hunting and killing members of the democratically-elected Palestinian government ever since (that's terrorism, by the way).

So damn rights I support Hamas.

Hezballah is a militia army in Lebannon. They also have been democratically elected into seats of the Lebannese government. If you knew anything about Israeli assaults on Lebannon, you may learn why Hezballah is supported by the Lebannese (especially since they also double as a line of defense against the IDF).

I support them too, but not necessarily their unnecessary provocation of the IDF that they sometimes carry out.

I'm not really sure why you accuse me of supporting Hamas and Hezballah though. What do they have to do with me supporting Iran? Perhaps you're of simple Hobbesian "all vs all" mentality where it's always a case of all "good guys" vs all "bad guys", hence why you lump Arabs and Persians together as the same force

Secondly, you state that Iran only arrests "real criminals" and the U.S. does not. This was a blatant statement showing your lack of knowledge of what Iran considers to be a criminal.

So you think that American justice is world justice? Iran has a whole different culture, political and judicial system than your's, yet you for some reason criticize them for their laws.

Let me guess, you think they should be invaded to "liberate" Iranians from their own laws and culture, right? CIA/MI6 did that in the 50s; they put the Shah in power who murdered tens of thousands of people with his CIA-created SAVAK secret police force. I've met people who lived in Iran during those times, and they would describe it to be a common occurance to have friends disappear forever if they ever even thought anything perceived to be "leftist". The Shah was a total American proxy and he had no problem killing so many people under American interests. The ironic thing was that right before the 1979 revolution, the Shah turned nationalist and tried to appeal to his own people... except Iranians are not stupid enough to easily forget what interests he represented and did to his country.

If you think Iranians are begging for Americans to come in and liberate them, then you are very ignorant of Iranian history. I think it's funny how you accuse me of not knowing anything about Iran, yet this seems to be your case.

Fantastic post, this is the sort of information and discussion I come to Above top Secret for, some facts I did not know, some facts I agree with and some things I don't.

Personally I think the whole Iran=bad thing is wrong, they are just trying to defend themselves from the school yard bully.

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the economy is about to collapse. whatever the reasons for attacking iran they probably have little to do with the nukes. that is just something the public can understand. it has to do with oil or using the euro to purchase oil. they gotta use the nukes for the fear factor.

Originally posted by nottomorrow
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

the economy is about to collapse. whatever the reasons for attacking iran they probably have little to do with the nukes. that is just something the public can understand. it has to do with oil or using the euro to purchase oil. they gotta use the nukes for the fear factor.

The US economic is in the craphole BECAUSE of its PNAC crusade since Bush got into power. Clinton eliminated US debt and Bush brought it back with a vengence in his first four years in office.

The current reasons for invading Iran were established when neo-conservatives rallied together and established the Project for a New American Century in the late 90s. Same guys who defined PNAC strategy virtually ran the Bush regime (Bush was just a frontman; Dick Cheney/Libby/Powel/Wolfowitz/Bolton/Gonzolas and many more officials were involved in PNAC).

Aside from PNAC, the US had been trying to soften up Iran for invasion ever since the 1979 revolution. This is why the US gave its client-state Iraq chemical and conventional weapons to invade Iran with throughout the 80s.

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its great to see the propoganda machine blazing during the biggest recession to hit the world,

not only does every country have the right as a nation to look into whatever defensive means they deem necessary!

noone told the usa they couldnt build nukes! or the russians,

now they throw there weight around as if they would blow up a country for defending itself from provocoteurs'
bush wasnt allowed nuke iraq! funny the president in chief is chief of the native american tribe!
well he might as well be for all the power he has!

iran has a national right to defense! as does all nations! having atomic energy and nuclear war-heads are in completely different league,

that like tryng to shoot someone with a light bulb!

If america attacks this will trigger tie cut-offs between the US and china/russia,

causing tension to mount considering the US have already placed strategic missile's on east europes border's

with a fairly high range and yeald!

I can see the banker twiddling his thumbs by his desk as he counts the money rolling in as the tanks are rolled out!

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

. . .
Clinton eliminated US debt and Bush brought it back with a vengeance in his first four years in office.
. . .

Bull corn.

Educate yourself, for the love of all that is good

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

. . .
Clinton eliminated US debt and Bush brought it back with a vengeance in his first four years in office.
. . .

Bull corn.

Educate yourself, for the love of all that is good

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US Presidential Debts

Well, according to this the US has been in debt since even before Rosevelt.

I guess what I meant to say was the Clinton managed to improve the debt/GDP ratio to better standards than the Reagan days, only to have it almost doubled by the time Bush left office. It doesn't take an idiot to look at the facts and determine that the republicans have spent spent spent like crazy on military only putting the US further in debt.

Originally posted by Fretz
reply to post by Dalbeck

 

Then Israel and USA are just allowed?

Well I think it's not a question of allowance, in my opinion one has to ask in which hands you would give your own child to look after: a lunatic or someone you can trust? Just my 2 cents...

Originally posted by Dalbeck

Originally posted by Fretz
reply to post by Dalbeck

 

Then Israel and USA are just allowed?

Well I think it's not a question of allowance, in my opinion one has to ask in which hands you would give your own child to look after: a lunatic or someone you can trust? Just my 2 cents...

Neither but thats just me . Sorry yep you have a valid point.

But if you go around shouting bad Iran, Bad Iran, Bad Iran, Bad Iran, (not you personally but the western nations) does that not mean Iran will become Bad. Maybe if we in the west showed a bit of trust in Iran, then maybe that is when Iran becomes trustworthy. I am still on the fence about all of this I just think sometimes we demonize Arab nations we don't like.

Originally posted by trinityschild

Originally posted by Dalbeck

Originally posted by Fretz
reply to post by Dalbeck

 

Then Israel and USA are just allowed?

Well I think it's not a question of allowance, in my opinion one has to ask in which hands you would give your own child to look after: a lunatic or someone you can trust? Just my 2 cents...

Neither but thats just me

. Sorry yep you have a valid point.

But if you go around shouting bad Iran, Bad Iran, Bad Iran, Bad Iran, (not you personally but the western nations) does that not mean Iran will become Bad. Maybe if we in the west showed a bit of trust in Iran, then maybe that is when Iran becomes trustworthy. I am still on the fence about all of this I just think sometimes we demonize Arab nations we don't like.

Hehe me neither too (about the kids) You're right about the "bad propaganda" (some would call it brainwashing) but it's hard to put any trust in someone like Ahmadinejad, I think it's not really Iran itself, it's its leader. He has really wicked sentiments.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

"Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinian territories”

So was the Nazi party in Germany

"but when Hamas actually won, Israel and the US both condemned Palestinians and declared the democratic elections to be illegitimate”

The Fatah party was the one to declare that.
What a surprise that like in Nazi Germany and the 'night of the long knives', the elections in Gaza were followed by bloodshed.

" Israel has been hunting and killing members of the democratically-elected Palestinian government ever since (that's terrorism, by the way)."

Oh, not because god forbid, there are terrorists who send terrorists to kill Israeli civilians and call for a total annihilation of the state of Israel.

"So damn rights I support Hamas.”

Tell us something we don't already know.

"Hezballah is a militia army in Lebannon. They also have been democratically elected into seats of the Lebannese government”

See above.

"I'm not really sure why you accuse me of supporting Hamas and Hezballah though. What do they have to do with me supporting Iran?”

Oh gee I don't know. Maybe he accuses you because Hamas ET AL and Hezbolla are funded, trained, supplied and takes orders from...IRAN ? That's a shocker I tell ya'.
Of course, to you they are freedom fighters, aren't they ?

Here's the Hezbolla's salute.
They sure had good teachers.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I'm quite aware of what is going on "on all sides". I'm just beyond propaganda. This makes me a terrorist?

And what in God's name makes you think I would ever want to go to the US? I would probably never make it past the TSA at the airport without causing an international incident involving my boot up some agent's ass.

Apparently not. If you were then you would know TSA security checks are for outbound flights origionating from the US. Since you are flying TO the US you would be subject to whatever airline security / airport security is in place per the host nation.

When people suggest you look at both sides its not to piss you off. Its to suggest that maybe you dont have all the facts in order to form an educated opinion.

REspects

Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

"Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinian territories”

So was the Nazi party in Germany

And there goes your credibility with me

Xcath-
Apparently not. If you were then you would know TSA security checks are for outbound flights origionating from the US. Since you are flying TO the US you would be subject to whatever airline security / airport security is in place per the host nation.

When people suggest you look at both sides its not to piss you off. Its to suggest that maybe you dont have all the facts in order to form an educated opinion.

Yeah, because I've never been harrassed by government officials before when they were clearly going outside of their job to do so

PS: Nice little insult you threw in the end of your post there. Personally I would call my opinion more of an experienced understanding of real politics, as opposed to some goody-good textbook view of how things are said to be done (but actually aren't).

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You could not be more correct in your statement friend . I have personally been waiting on this for the past 5 years and i see the media whore propagandists at work so i fear the worst .

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Perhaps, but I hear Israel has an even bigger project to create nuclear weapons.
Shouldn't we hit them first?