Iran is on the verge of getting the Bomb. It is time for President Barack Obama to act

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For those who are defending Iran they are not the little angels your making them out to be.

Originally posted by neo96
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For those who are defending Iran they are not the little angels your making them out to be.

Cry me a river. How many people die from American weapons around the world? The US is the largest state armsdealer in the market.

I honestly don't believe many of you understand the situation. No one cares if Iran has nukes. BUT everyone does care if Muslims have nukes. Why haven't other countries with nukes been invaded you ask? Who is our current wars against? Not a single nation, or a region, its a war against that religion (of peace? maybe.. maybe not).

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Yeah tell those families "Cry me a River" go on.

Oh and sorry Britain is.

We've spent years and years chasing down "the bad guys" and their weapons, but the reality is that we're now the biggest dealer of advanced weaponry in the world. According to UK Trade and Investment (UKTI), UK arms dealers secured a mind boggling £9.7 billion of new business to their already huge empires last year, which means we now deal more weapons than the US.

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Anybody who thinks Iran is not worthy of developing nukes, and that the United States needs to intervene militarily to prevent that is brainwashed. Period.

No, it's not our job or right to "police" (more like bully) the world.

You've been brainwashed by the warhawks in this country for far too long. What gives us the right to be judge and executioner to entire nations of people? Nothing.

What country has Iran been invading? None. The US on the other hand...

Who are we to call other nations "dangerous" when we've invaded 2 countries and "accidentally" killed thousands and thousands of innocent civilians in the last 10 years as "collateral damage". Who is the only country to ever even use a nuclear bomb on people??? We are the single most warlike nation on the planet and we have thousands of nukes, we're the last ones who should be calling other nations too dangerous to have nukes and bombing them on even the false suspicion they have (Iraq..) or are making any.

Even if Iran had nukes they are no crazier or warlike than other countries who have nukes like Isreal, the US, Pakistan, etc. and definitely not half as crazy as N. Korea. We need to stop being hypocrites and thinking everyone has to believe in the same stuff as us and kill them if they don't, this is the Crusades all over again.

Furthermore, the citizens of Iran don't deserve to die in giant fireballs because they have a #ty government, just like we don't deserve to die because we have a #ty government here. The governments of many countries, including the US, are no longer acting in the interest of their people but rather in the interest of corporations, banks, their own power and wealth and the rich. We have no right to invade or bomb countries that have done nothing to us.

Please do not support any more wars in the middle east, call or write your state's congressman and tell them you want the wars and military campaigns to stop, you want America to stop policeing the world and focus on it's own problems at home, you want peace. These corrupt politicians will never even begin to change if enough people don't tell them enough is enough. War is not the answer.

Violence only leads to more violence, war to more war. Every person you kill has a brother, or wife, or husband, or friend, or neighbor, or uncle, or son who might want revenge and you've just made an enemy of. Now instead of one enemy you have 2 or 3 or more. Invading or bombing Iran will just create more anger and hatred towards the US and lead to more war. Stop the madness.

Originally posted by neo96
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Yeah tell those families "Cry me a River" go on.

How about you go and tell the billions affected by American weapons in dozens of countries and tell them that Iran is the biggest threat to their peace.

And if the UK is really the top global arms dealers, then its probably because they seem to be wholesaleing their weaponry to pay for their defense expenditures.

If Iran wants to have nukes, that is a matter for their citizens and the members of their government to decide.

Leaving that decision up to millions of Americans who get their information primarily from biased, propaganda pushing mainstream media outlets, and a government that is corrupted by corporate money is not just laughable, but probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

And people don't understand why some people in other countries hate us? :shk:

Originally posted by Xcathdra
When you boil it down and compare abilities and actions, Iran is stronger than Saudi Arabia. Iran has a completely different mindset, Persian, than Arab governments do.

They do, they have a primal mindset, I don't understand how any middle eastern people would gravitate towards anything other than the Saudi way. I know they still harp on about how "Muslim" they are all the while having parties reminiscent of American clubs, but this is the way of the people. I don't see how Iran is stronger in any way, if anything it makes them look more and more unfavorable to the meek.

Saudi Arabia appears to be the reigning authority of the middle east, you can thank the US and western military power in part for this. All in all, western influence is not bad overall, but it shows and the key points of equality (which we neglect in our own) are powerful.

Iran is a dead horse, beat it for all its religious worth.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
If Iran wants to have nukes, that is a matter for their citizens and the members of their government to decide.

Leaving that decision up to millions of Americans who get their information primarily from biased, propaganda pushing mainstream media outlets, and a government that is corrupted by corporate money is not just laughable, but probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

And people don't understand why some people in other countries hate us? :shk:

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The same biased media bs are the ones who convince you that the rest of the world hates, or even cares about us. Other than the fact me and you are set up in their country with rifles and hi tech weaponry.

Some of the # we have they have no comprehension of. Including diplomacy.

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Yeah.. but Israel did kinda do the same thing..
They should have played by the rules. I would support the USA supporting Israel completely had they not gone behind ours/kennedy's back with the Dimona plant.

Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by Xcathdra
When you boil it down and compare abilities and actions, Iran is stronger than Saudi Arabia. Iran has a completely different mindset, Persian, than Arab governments do.

They do, they have a primal mindset, I don't understand how any middle eastern people would gravitate towards anything other than the Saudi way. I know they still harp on about how "Muslim" they are all the while having parties reminiscent of American clubs, but this is the way of the people. I don't see how Iran is stronger in any way, if anything it makes them look more and more unfavorable to the meek.

Saudi Arabia appears to be the reigning authority of the middle east, you can thank the US and western military power in part for this. All in all, western influence is not bad overall, but it shows and the key points of equality (which we neglect in our own) are powerful.

Iran is a dead horse, beat it for all its religious worth.

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So you think that in the middle east, the birthplace of Islam (with over 1 billion followers), the people there "gravitate" towards the least Muslim country? Not only is your assessment of how un-Muslim Saudi Arabia is incorrect (women can't even drive there), but so is your assumption that all people there would "gravitate" towards the most West-friendly muslim country in that region.

You do realize that Saudi Arabia is a Sunni state while Iran is Shia, right? They are two different types of Islam followers that regularily conflict with each other. You would have to be either misinformed or crazy to think that Shi'ites would "gravitate" towards Saudi Arabia.

i think this song define's all of our heart's. democrat republican, in between.. Wheres the arguement atleast on a humanity level.

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i think this song define's all of our heart's. democrat republican, in between.. Wheres the arguement atleast on a humanity level.

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Close, but this is closer in my opinion:



"Blood is freedom stained"

TextAPNewsBreak: UN has new Iranian nuke arms claims

APNewsBreak: UN has new Iranian nuke arms claims
By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press – 8 hours ago
VIENNA (AP) — The U.N. atomic agency plans to reveal intelligence next week suggesting Iran made computer models of a nuclear warhead and other previously undisclosed details on alleged secret work by Tehran on nuclear arms, diplomats told The Associated Press on Friday.

Other new confidential information the International Atomic Energy Agency plans to share with its 35 board members will include satellite imagery of what the IAEA believes is a large steel container used for nuclear arms-related high explosives tests, the diplomats said.

The agency has previously listed activities it says indicate possible secret nuclear weapons work by Iran, which has been under IAEA perusal for nearly a decade over suspicions that it might be interested in develop such arms.

But the newest compilation of suspected weapons-related work is significant in substance and scope. The diplomats say they will reveal suspicions that have not been previously made public and greatly expand on alleged weapons-related experiments that have been published in previous reports on Iran's nuclear activities.

It also comes as the drumbeat of reports about possible military action against Iran's nuclear facilities intensifies.

Israeli President Shimon Peres said Friday that international community is closer to pursuing a military solution to the standoff over Iran's nuclear program than a diplomatic one. The comments, from a known dove, assumed added significance because they followed unsubstantiated reports that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was seeking his government's support for a strike against Tehran.

British media have separately cited unnamed British officials as saying London was prepared to offer military support to any U.S. strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.

In Vienna, the diplomats — from IAEA member nations — asked for anonymity because their information was privileged. One of them said the material drawn up by IAEA chief Yukiya Amano will be in an annex running around 12 pages and attached to the latest of a regular series of agency reports on Iran's nuclear enrichment program and other activities that could be used to arm nuclear missiles.

Previously undisclosed information contained in the annex, said the diplomats, will include:

— Intelligence from unnamed member states that a bus-sized steel container, located at the Iranian military base of Parchin is likely being used for nuclear-related high explosives testing of the kind needed to release an atomic blast. The agency has satellite imagery of the container.

— Expanded evidence that Iranian engineers worked on computer models of nuclear payloads for missiles.

Significantly, said the diplomats, these alleged experiments took place after 2003 — the year that Iran was believed to have stopped secret work on nuclear weapons, according to a 2007 U.S. intelligence assessment. But diplomats have told the AP that Tehran continued arms-related experiments in a less concentrated way after that date, a view reflected by recent IAEA reports that have detailed suspicions that such work may be continuing up to the present.

The annex will also say that more than 10 nations have supplied intelligence suggesting Iran is secretly developing components of a nuclear arms program — among them an implosion-type warhead that it wants to mount on a ballistic missile.

It says that two foreign "sources" — apparently countries or nongovernment groups within countries — have helped Iran develop a weapons design, without naming them. And it details how Iran bought "dual use" — peaceful or military — nuclear technology from the black market network of renegade Pakistani scientist A. Q. Khan, as well as alleged preparations for a nuclear weapons test.

The upcoming report is meant to ratchet up pressure on the Islamic republic to stop four years of stonewalling of IAEA experts seeking to follow up intelligence of such secret weapons-related experiments.

Iran denies such activities, asserting that they are based on intelligence fabricated by Washington. It also denies that its uranium enrichment program — under U.N. Security Council sanctions because it could manufacture fissile warhead material — is meant for anything else but making nuclear fuel.

In his previous report in September, Amano said he was "increasingly concerned" about a stream of intelligence suggesting that Iran continues to work secretly on developing a nuclear payload for a missile and other components of a nuclear weapons program.

He said "many member states" are providing evidence for that assessment, describing the information the agency is receiving as credible, "extensive and comprehensive."

That report warned of the "possible existence in Iran of past or current undisclosed nuclear related activities" linked to weapons work. In particular, said the report, the agency continues to receive new information about "activities related to the development of a nuclear payload for a missile."

Acquired from "many" member states, the information possessed by the IAEA is "extensive and comprehensive ... (and) broadly consistent and credible," said the report.

The U.S. and its Western allies on the Security Council hope the upcoming report will be strong enough to persuade the IAEA board at its mid-November meeting to report it anew to the council. It was the board that first referred Iran to the Security Council in 2006 — a move that led to a series of sanctions punishing Tehran for its nuclear defiance.

If that fails, they would like a board resolution setting a deadline of only a few months for Iran to start cooperating with the agency's probe — or face the prospect of renewed Security Council referral at the next board meeting in March.

One of the diplomats said that Iran was given a copy of the annex earlier this week, giving a chance for comment that would be included when the report is shared with board members. Iran initially refused to accept a copy of the report, he said, reflecting its rejection of the allegations.

A call requesting comment left on the cell phone of Ali Asghar Soltanieh, Iran's chief delegate to the IAEA, was not immediately returned.

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Sure, why not, it seems inevitable to me that all people will eventually gravitate toward what they believe are their human rights?

Where would you rather live? The great Saudi emirates or Iran?

Remember people are "selfish" at all levels and only want what produces for them, no matter the religion. I know there are religious indifferences, but you are talking to a man who has no regard for religion at all.

I think human nature reigns supreme over religion, this is why our world is so #ed up.

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Why does this person assume your exact avatar (previously) and stance on everything from what I can tell?

Take out the suspected nuclear bomb facilities with one swift air strike, BOOM bye bye Iran's nuclear aspirations for another 10yrs,

If they react and throw there toys out the pram, WIN WIN... income a coalition invasion, get rid of the MAIN problem once and for all,

The last obstacle in the way of peace for the middle east Iran will then be well and truely out the way, Israel wont have to live in fear of terrorist attacks funded by Iran, the Taliban's funding & weapons suppliers will be out of business for good, then those theater will also come to a close TRIPLE WIN, install a new government that is tolerant to its neighbours & the west QUADRUPLE WIN = A MASSIVE victory for world peace,

I think Con Coughlin is an idiot is he wishing for a Death wish with a Global war?
If America starts a war with Iran, Americas image will be destroyed.

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Or just get Israel to shut the %^$% up and stop crying like a baby and getting others to do their dirty work..

Let a few Israelis die and see how quickly the rest of Israelis realize what has been going on..

Originally posted by havok
Anyone who thinks that Iran will pose a threat is honestly an idiot.
Pakistan has nukes!
NORTH KOREA has nukes! (they pose a real threat)
Russia had over 30,000 nukes at one time...did we invade them?
Nope...cause they don't have oil reserves?!
Or is it because of some "hidden" reason?


I agree Corruption....
Propaganda at its finest.
Truly sickening how they want the public to "fear" Iran.

I've had just about as much as I can take of the media.
They will hype this up so the people agree with the War.
And of course we all know why there is even attention there right now.

Pathetic.

Wtf are you talking about? Russia produces and exports the most oil in the world.

And then you go on to accuse the "media" about creating hype over iran.

Have you been to ats lately? We are the ultimate hype source.

Originally posted by neo96
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For those who are defending Iran they are not the little angels your making them out to be.

at the sources you post the military.com? they are a mouthpiece for the military and the thedailybeast? thats an Neocon news source not very trustworthy.