Massive Chemtrail Attack: Midwest

Errrr.......contrails, not chemtrails.

you guys are delusional!

Originally posted by gman1972 Because I don't want to be on the line for all the cost, then you can send that sample to be tested and see what it contains.

Why can't a "chemtrailer" (such as yourself) do that, since the burden of proof is on you? Proudbird or any other debunker has no reason to pay any sum of money to prove what the evidence already supports, hence why your offer probably won't get taken up.

You think that would end the debate? The lack of anomalous air, water and soil samples (that occur daily) isn't enough...

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by waynos

 

First denial of any activity of dispersing metal oxides into our skies, then when a scientific study discussing the possibility is posted for all to read, you change the height of the bar.

You know what.... I will never change how you think, nor will you change how I think. The important thing for you to do however is to influence folks that are beginning to see the obvious. Most folks don't have any absolutes...you certainly don't, although your pretense is that you do.

There is a growing number of rational, intelligent folks that can figure out what it is they are seeing with out you or any one else talking to them as if they are helpless imbeciles.

edit on 5-11-2011 by Witness2008 because: (no reason given)

There is no evidence of any metal oxides being loaded into airplanes. And does it really make sense to take whatever minerals out of the ground, put them onto planes, to dump them back on the ground?

Besides, how bad can they be if Michael J Murphy of "What in the World Are they Spraying" actually recommends ingesting a product full of Aluminum Oxide, Strontium and Barium.

reply to post by adeclerk


I think gman1972 is on 'our' side.

reply to post by adeclerk


You have it backwards adeclerk, I want to send a fuel sample to a chemtrail believer to have them test it.

I am (as I assume most folks around here are) kind of on the fence about this whole chemtrail thing. I think it seems a bit far fetched, but definitely not outside the realm of possibility. I just had a question though: How could you test for the presence of something sprayed out thousands of feet above the surface? wouldn't it dissipate to pretty much undetectable levels by the time it drifted back down? I suppose someone could grab a jar, hop in a plane and try to go fly through a trail, but you'd have to be pretty high tech to be able to take samples from the air like that.

Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by adeclerk

 

I think gman1972 is on 'our' side.

Oh, thanks waynos, hit reply before noticing you had already done so on my behalf.

Originally posted by gman1972
reply to post by adeclerk

 

You have it backwards adeclerk, I want to send a fuel sample to a chemtrail believer to have them test it.

I'm sorry, found the knee jerk, but where is my reading comprehension today?

No worries bud, I can find myself confusing people for others some times as well.

2nd

Originally posted by waynos
Skies are quite clear this morning, quite a bit of air traffic but only short lived trails being left. This is an example of that, looking out of an East facing upstairs wndow.

The info from the flight tracker I am using is as follows;


Flight number EIN644
Operator Aer Lingus
Speed 455kts.
Origin Dublin
Destination Prague, Ruzyne
Registration EI-DEN
Hex Code 4CA294
Manufacturer Airbus
Type A320
Model A320-214
Serial 2432

edit on 6-11-2011 by waynos because: (no reason given)

I have seen these before myself. This to mean is a true con-trail. It leaves the planes exhaust and quickly dissipates. What I see as a chem-trail does not do this. It stays in the air for hours and has a particular (seems to me predetermined) length. When I see it occurring the plane sometimes just stops making the line at a point and the trail is left behind to turn into a lined shaped cloud over time. Other times they keep going over the horizon but their trails still hang around for quite a period of time. This to me is the difference between what I think is a con-trail vs. a chem-trail. Great pic!

reply to post by spokaneman1983

It leaves the planes exhaust and quickly dissipates. What I see as a chem-trail does not do this.

There is no difference when they form, they are BOTH contrails.

The difference comes in the conditions at altitude, especially the Relative Humidity. When the RH is high, then the contrail, once formed, is more likely to persist. And, even grow!

In every case, they are indistinguishable in composition from cirrus clouds.

Do you see cirrus clouds every day? No.

Do you see contrails every day? No.

Why? The same, exact reasons for the behavior of cirrus clouds apply to the behavior of contrails. No difference, none on their ability to form (or, never form at all) and persist....or, to dissipate quickly, slowly, whatever.

The only difference between contrails and chemtrails is that the latter are only ever seen by chemtrail believers.

Originally posted by spokaneman1983
I have seen these before myself. This to mean is a true con-trail. It leaves the planes exhaust and quickly dissipates. What I see as a chem-trail does not do this. It stays in the air for hours and has a particular (seems to me predetermined) length. When I see it occurring the plane sometimes just stops making the line at a point and the trail is left behind to turn into a lined shaped cloud over time. Other times they keep going over the horizon but their trails still hang around for quite a period of time. This to me is the difference between what I think is a con-trail vs. a chem-trail.

That's just a different type of contrail. There are three basic kinds. The type that forms depends on engine factors, and the weather where the plane is flying.

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I am not claiming that contrails contain all types of different chemicals as fact.

I am asking if 'chemtrails' could be made up of different substances, that vary from one type of chemtrail to another - if chemtrails were real.

Why is it that every single chemtrail in the sky must be made up of identical ingredients (if there are chemtrails in the sky). Wouldn't there be different chemical combinations dispersed in chemtrails, each used to obtain a desired effect?

I am not a chemtrail believer, or non-believer. I am just a person who has curiosity about the subject and I would -as anyone who has a health concern for relatives, friends, and their own personal future should - like to know if their is something happening that can poison my body and mind.

reply to post by Essan


Thank you for explaining that to me...
so then what we are dealing with where I live is not the absence of contrails, but the prescence of different weather patterns?

OK, so it appears that the weather here has began to show signs that differentiate from any other time in the recent history of the area, since the contrails (alleged chemtrails) have not appeared in this way, in this area, any time in the past.

So either the contrails such as these are new to the area here, or the weather over the past 60 years has suddenly changed over the past year or so, allowing this type of contrail to be present....

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Props to you sir!



I took the first reply as cirrus clouds and jet exhaust are the same thing which had me a little confused. The second was a brief bashing of my intellect. Real good way to prove a point

However, your signature made sense. I Googled how combustion produces water vapor and then using common sense of how clouds are formed, it made sense. I get it now. You have finally made sense where others only make fun. Congratulations you achieved what many wish they could if only they were a little less arrogant and a little more informative. Con-trails finally make scientific sense to me because it was fully explained. That is all I have been asking for and everyone just wants to belittle rather than enlighten. I thank you!

reply to post by esteay812


It is possible to make up a story or theory any way you like if you don't have to worry about it being factual.

So IF there were chemtrails, might they have different compositions for different purposes? sure - why not - if you want them to.

sorry if that appears flippant, but it is as I see it.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I believe that is also my point as well.

If chemtrails are to exist, then why must they all be made up of the same chemicals? If this is something that were indeed taking place, wouldn't it seem to make more sense that many different types were being sprayed, for many different results?

Originally posted by esteay812
So either the contrails such as these are new to the area here, or the weather over the past 60 years has suddenly changed over the past year or so, allowing this type of contrail to be present....

A weather change seems very unlikely, and there would be evidence of that. Contrails being new is possible if you did not get much high altitude overflying air traffic before now.

But it's also quite likely is that you just don't remember seeing them. Lots of people on ATS also don't remember seeing them, even if they live in the same place as people who DO remember seeing them. There's also photographic records of these contrails going back decades.

Most people don't pay any real attention to clouds and contrails, so they don't really feature strongly in their memories.

Originally posted by esteay812
If chemtrails are to exist, then why must they all be made up of the same chemicals? If this is something that were indeed taking place, wouldn't it seem to make more sense that many different types were being sprayed, for many different results?

It's possible. But A) There's no evidence that ANYTHING is being sprayed, and B) it would only make sense if there was an actual need to spray things. Multiple type of spray just complicates the explanation, Occam's Razor.