"Alcohol-The cause AND solution to all of lifes problems"I think it should be banned!

Originally posted by thedarktower
simple answer: legalise everything, tax it all, make it clean and in the same time, wipe out all illegal drug dealers and a vast amount of crime and criminal behaviour. Makes sense to me

This is of course the obvious and sane solution.

However, we live in bizarro world where insane=sane and evil=good.

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No discussion of illegal substances ( drugs ) at all.

thanks

Ok you guys are missing what I think is the BIG point:

Wine, beer, and hard liqours are used in SO MUCH food and drink!
If you where to ban them all, that would mean:

No more soft serve ice cream
No more coque que van
No more beer bread
No more (Insert any itallian sauce here)
No more vodka sauce
No more Flavorings for baking (You have to use extracts, and all extracts are based off of vodka and/or everclear)
No more beer soup

What about medicines?

No more cough suyrp
No more instant hand sanitizer

It would be bad. Period.

reply to post by AllUrChips


There were 31,224 deaths due to guns (suicides and homicides) in 2007. Should we make guns illegal too?

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

We tried it your way once: Prohibition basically INVENTED organized crime. So -- since people are people, and people have been dodging prohibition literally since the Garden of Eden, I'm going to go ahead and call your idea for what it is: Horse manure.

So what your saying, is the us gov is the organized crime of today runnig a HUGE money making scheme with their controlled poison. I agree.

It should not be taxed at all... the same with cigarettes/tobacco products. You and everyone else have no place nor business to tell me what I can and can't do with my body. Period and that is fact.

There shouldn't be a question to legality either, its everyone's human right to consume what they want. The people that can't do it responsibly will be taken care of by natural selection.

Cheap booze or prohibition, either way nothing will change, they are the puppet masters, we are the puppets, when they pull the strings, WE dance !

Originally posted by darkredfish
Ok you guys are missing what I think is the BIG point:

Wine, beer, and hard liqours are used in SO MUCH food and drink!
If you where to ban them all, that would mean:

No more soft serve ice cream
No more coque que van
No more beer bread
No more (Insert any itallian sauce here)
No more vodka sauce
No more Flavorings for baking (You have to use extracts, and all extracts are based off of vodka and/or everclear)
No more beer soup

What about medicines?

No more cough suyrp
No more instant hand sanitizer

It would be bad. Period.

Just FYI, not all of these things use ethyl alcohol, which is what gets you drunk.

Hand sanitizers might uses ethanol, but are more likely to use isopropanol or triclosan. iropropanol is a secondary alcohol that might get you drunk but would also kill you.

I drink/brew alcohol. I'm not a drunk or anything, but I like to have a beer or two a couple times a week. I'm a fan of a nice single barrel scotch too. I also am very active and healthy. I, like other drinkers, have never had a DUI or car accident, I've never been involved in any domestic violence, I've never stolen to fund my booze runs, etc.

What the OP is calling for is for all of us to suffer because of the few who cannot be responsible drinkers. OP, do you think we should have socialized health care? Do you think we should be assigned jobs based on our skills or that we should be able to pursue the careers we want to? Do you think we should ban guns because they are responsible for as many deaths as alcohol?


Ok, so after like 30 seconds of looking I found this post by the OP.

The OP believes we should have guns even though guns (with the help of people) are responsible for 30,000+ suicides and homicides a year. This figure does not take into account the times someone was killed by a firearm and it was justified.

What makes alcohol different? Why should we have the freedom to own a weapon that we can use against other people but not have the freedom to put something into our bodies that might cause us personal harm. I realize alcohol can contribute to harming others as well, but not nearly as effectively as a gun could.


OP, can you please explain this apparent contradiction?

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

There were 31,224 deaths due to guns (suicides and homicides) in 2007. Should we make guns illegal too?

I will fix that for you... there were 31,224 deaths due to PEOPLE with guns. Emphasis on the people part.

Originally posted by bigshow

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

There were 31,224 deaths due to guns (suicides and homicides) in 2007. Should we make guns illegal too?

I will fix that for you... there were 31,224 deaths due to PEOPLE with guns. Emphasis on the people part.

For the record, I own guns and do not think they should be banned.

I was attempting to make a point. Guns are just as responsible as alcohol is for killing people. If the OP believes we should ban alcohol (which doesn't kill people, the people who abuse it kill themselves) should we also ban guns (which cannot kill a person unless used by a person to do so).

(Funny enough i'm just wearing that Simpsons T-Shirt with the slogan and in the next hour will go out and buy a bottle of whiskey )

Making alcohol illegal doesn't work. Didn't work during the prohibition and in todays work where you can buy Alcohol over Amazon it would be impossible to ban.
Saying "Alcohol can kill you, ban it" is stupid. Chocolate makes you fat and you die because of it, make chocolate illegal? Where would it end? If you can it, i guess people will do what poor people in the third world do: Sniff glue to get high or drink something with any kind of alcohol in it. I once read an article about the big alcohol problem in Russia. People are so poor, they can't even afford Vodka, so they drink Ethanol or even parfume and that even more dangerous.

The people who abuse alcohol, usually have some kind of problem. Either mentally or they're unhappy with their live. Instead of ranting against Alcohol, people should help those alcoholics to get back on track

reply to post by AllUrChips
Some have already address this somewhat, but put simply: prohibition doesn't work.

Currently, with alcohol being legal, it's above-ground. People have to be licensed to sell it commercially, there are laws and restrictions in place as to who can get it, quality-controls in place to help ensure the safety of the product, and so forth.

You know what happens when you criminalize something? You drive it underground. There is no licensing to know who's selling it, no restrictions on who it will be sold to, no quality controls to ensure safety, and it becomes many times more valuable due to the risk involved in providing a service (which you will never destroy the DEMAND for - these other issues aside, people will do what they want to do, regardless of laws. Look to the current american drug policy & consumption for confirmation, regardless of penalties involved). This drives the market, usually straight into the hands of criminals who will become violent to protect their enterprise.

Much better to push for continued or increased public education, treatment & prevention programs, and the like (all things that have proven themselves successful at harm reduction, to some degree). Criminalizing merely makes the problem worse by removing limitations, safeguards, and involving those who will be more inclined to get violent.

I’m sorry but I don’t see why I shouldn’t be allowed to have an occasional drink just because some people don’t know when to stop.
My dad drank a bottle of beer every night after work in front of the TV and not once did he ever get drunk or even hit us, my mother makes the best cocktails ever, and she has never been drunk and she has never hit us either.

My family was bought up with alcohol in the house and none of us are addicted.

If I’m having too many dreams I will take a small amount of port before I go to bed, it blocks the dream process.
Oh and I’ll tell you something else, if we woke up in the middle of the night with a tooth ache my mother would rub the tooth with brandy and make a dentist appointment the next day.

So, thanks for your concern but I’ll keep having the occasional glass of port, beer, spirits and wine.
It’s all about moderation and plenty of water.

Whateva

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

Some have already address this somewhat, but put simply: prohibition doesn't work.


You know what happens when you criminalize something? You drive it underground. ....... This drives the market, usually straight into the hands of criminals who will become violent to protect their enterprise.

Much better to push for continued or increased public education, treatment & prevention programs, and the like (all things that have proven themselves successful at harm reduction, to some degree). Criminalizing merely makes the problem worse by removing limitations, safeguards, and involving those who will be more inclined to get violent.

So I see you want to legalize Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, Crack. Thanks for your post, next time see the other side of the coin.

I didn't read that at all.

Just because these are good arguments toward that end doesn't mean anyone is advocating that here. Thanks for your post, please stop feeding people your words.

Originally posted by TinkerHaus

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

Some have already address this somewhat, but put simply: prohibition doesn't work.


You know what happens when you criminalize something? You drive it underground. ....... This drives the market, usually straight into the hands of criminals who will become violent to protect their enterprise.

Much better to push for continued or increased public education, treatment & prevention programs, and the like (all things that have proven themselves successful at harm reduction, to some degree). Criminalizing merely makes the problem worse by removing limitations, safeguards, and involving those who will be more inclined to get violent.

So I see you want to legalize Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, Crack. Thanks for your post, next time see the other side of the coin.

I didn't read that at all.

Maybe you should. It helps in understanding the topic and post.

lets just ban everything harmful.
sweets.
chocolate
alchohol
guns
knives
nukes
oil
smoking
now try to take these things from everyone who owns them.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by TinkerHaus

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

Some have already address this somewhat, but put simply: prohibition doesn't work.


You know what happens when you criminalize something? You drive it underground. ....... This drives the market, usually straight into the hands of criminals who will become violent to protect their enterprise.

Much better to push for continued or increased public education, treatment & prevention programs, and the like (all things that have proven themselves successful at harm reduction, to some degree). Criminalizing merely makes the problem worse by removing limitations, safeguards, and involving those who will be more inclined to get violent.

So I see you want to legalize Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, Crack. Thanks for your post, next time see the other side of the coin.

I didn't read that at all.

Maybe you should. It helps in understanding the topic and post.

The topic and post are talking about alcohol, a legal substance and therefor a valid topic of conversation on these boards. You are talking about the use of illegal drugs, which are again, illegal, and NOT valid topics of conversation on these forums.

Your posts should be deleted.