"Alcohol-The cause AND solution to all of lifes problems"I think it should be banned!

Originally posted by Seventhdoor

Originally posted by OathKeeper
I can relax at will without intoxicants. I can also relax without music and without a full body massage and without sex and without video games and without Television as well as without booze. But i utilize all the pleasures in life.

Bottoms up to those who have will power. Go to a meeting for those who don't.

Point is that lifes real pleasures have nothing to do with anything you've listed here. These are all forms of distraction or intoxication, not pleasure, there is a huge difference in my book.

Also its well known that those who make claims that they can "stop whenever they want" and bring their willpower into it, are usually those who are shown to not be able to stop and to have no willpower. If you don't believe me then give up sex, smoking, drinking, any other intoxicants, and bad foods for a month, including masturbation. Not because I challenged you to, but to see for yourself if you really have the kind of willpower you think you have. You'll be surprised, the vast majority of people are unable to last but a few days, let alone a month.

If you can do it, then you have the right to talk about your awesome willpower and self control, because you will have learned to control your passions for a period of time that far exceeds almost anyone you will ever meet in this society.

This is really just the short list too. If you can do this you can bring video games, internet, television and fiction reading into the mix too, and then spend all your free time reading non-fiction and in contemplation about life and reality.

But why bother with a list of a dozen things when most people are incapable of giving up even one?

I never claimed the ability to quit or the desire to do so.

I will never give up my guns, my alcohol, my love of nature, my sex, my masturbation, my pornography, my video games, my killing of cute fuzzy tasty animals, my love of life, marriage, driving, red meat, ice cream or anything. I do not need the willpower to quit because I have no reason to quit because I do not abuse. I choose to live and love and kill when needed. Judge me all you want as you wait for nirvana I wait for nothing and no one.

Live free or die. You attempt to force upon us your judgments and your ethics while we only encourage everyone to make their own choices. Be it suicide by the bottle or jumping off a bridge. Cause no harm to your fellow man and live free!

reply to post by Ha`la`tha
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reply to post by AllUrChips


We tried making it illegal once. it wasn't that long ago, really, at least by the measurements of nations.

it didn't go over well. There was more alcohol-related crime in a nation forced to sobriety than there was in all the years it was legal. in fact it was probably worse, and more wasteful, than our current war on drugs.

Alcoholism is a disease, like any other addiction. Banning alcohol does not fix this. it simply makes the disease more dangerous to those around the sufferer. Therapy is the way you treat any disease.

Innoculative efforts are also important - we have a cultural approach to alcohol - and other drugs - that goes to dual extremes. One hte one hand, we tell our kids that this stuff is worse than radioactive waste, that it will destroy them utterly if htye so much as have a sip... and then we fill our adult culture with depictions of fun and entertainment whre the lack of alcohol is unthinkable. The message sent is thus that Alcohol is fun and adult because it is taboo. This leads to excess and overconsumption.

This "shelter the kids and indulge the adults" approach is a root cause of a lot of flaws in our society. Put it out in the open, treat it as what it is - not as a killer poison, not as the gatekeeper to a good time - and the urge to abuse the substance will drop. There are many nations out there that haven't prohibited alcohol, yet have a lowe rate of abuse than the US does (even some that have higher per capital consumption can have year-to-year "winning streaks" of lack of abuse)

In other words... it's the culture and our approach to the substance, and not hte substance itself. it's just sugar chains that our body can't handle well, after all.

reply to post by AllUrChips


No substance should be banned unless it requires the involvement of a considerable number of persons to produce (produce, not distribute), anything that requires more than 1000 persons to be involved would be fine to ban.

All the rest should be taxed in accordance to the effect it has on society, gives cancer, tax it, increases hospitalization, tax it, increases crime, tax it, the price increase alone will put most of the more dangerous substances outside of the majority of the population that would be more susceptible to addiction, the rest can be prevented by good education and active parenting.

In my opinion it is not the alcohol itself that is the problem but the person who has the drinking problem or addictive personality that is really the cause. Alcohol has medicinal properties both internally and as an antiseptic. Some people just abuse it and/or are not able to use it responsibly.

After all would you outlaw salt because it can cause high blood pressure, or trans fats which can lead to heart failure, or what about sugar because it can cause diabetes? All of these are killers but they are not illegal.

We need to learn and teach others how to live a life in balance with all around us. Education and compassion for others is of key importance. We need to help those around us more. We will stumble and make mistakes. How we learn from those mistakes and become better humans from it is the ultimate goal.

reply to post by SurfSpace


Well unfortunately too many people cant use alcohol within the limits of the law, therefore I believe that it should be banned. Too many lives, I said LIVES are affected by it. So are you saying that for the pleasure of many, some should suffer?

S&F, i agree with your stance but i have one thing to say about it. Prohibition, we already tried to make it illegal and all that did was make the situation 1000 times worse

reply to post by AllUrChips


It's not about the pleasure of many. It's about being responsible for our own actions. It's about helping people that have real problems. It's about evolving to become a better species. It's about a positive outlook. It's about working on the problem and coming up with realistic solutions to them.

You of course are entitled to your opinion and I will not judge you for it. You should be able to freely express yourself and your beliefs.

There are benefits and disadvantages to alcohol use. Here is a link from the Mayo Clinic.
www.mayoclinic.com...

Having been both a bartender and doorman for a few years ... I learned to really dislike drunk people.

They're loud, annoying, often inappropriate, frequently violent and aggressive, and in general, distasteful.

Before I had to deal with drunk people on a consistent basis, I drank too and thought nothing of it. Having to deal with them every blessed night though.. my drinking days were over right there.

I could no longer stomach the thought of paying good money to turn oneself into a drunken buffoon.

But do I think it should it be banned? No. We've tried that... it doesn't work. Prohibition was a failure. And created a criminal element of a type not seen here before and still with us today. So, yeah, good call on that one. The war on drugs? Also a failure. Also bringing it's own criminal element. And spending untold billions to accomplish... the exact opposite of what your original aim was. Bravo. If we don't learn from the past...

Not sure how you could justify banning alcohol while leaving cigarettes and tobacco to remain legal. Certainly of the two, i think tobacco is by far worse. But like I said.. moot point. If people want to get their hands on something.. they will. The fact that it's taboo would probably make them want it more.

reply to post by AllUrChips


I agree with everything you said except for making it illegal. As soon as you do that you create a Black Market (with anything - plenty of examples around that we can't mention!). When you create a Black Market even worse stuff happens.

Restricting anyone from doing anything should be illegal. Trading freedom for security is always a bad trade off. Making it Illegal will reduce crime rate...? Remember Al Capone? All that would create is another black market, like all the other drugs that are illegal right now have.

Originally posted by Cecilofs
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

I agree with everything you said except for making it illegal. As soon as you do that you create a Black Market (with anything - plenty of examples around that we can't mention!). When you create a Black Market even worse stuff happens.

So why not make smack bars legal and sell it at cornerstores. good idea.

Originally posted by SurfSpace
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

It's not about the pleasure of many. It's about being responsible for our own actions. It's about helping people that have real problems. It's about evolving to become a better species. It's about a positive outlook. It's about working on the problem and coming up with realistic solutions to them.

You of course are entitled to your opinion and I will not judge you for it. You should be able to freely express yourself and your beliefs.

There are benefits and disadvantages to alcohol use. Here is a link from the Mayo Clinic.
www.mayoclinic.com...

So should someone be allowed to have....anthrax, or other chemical weapons, and as long as they are responsible for their actions? Even if they could kill others

You people say we tried it but it didnt work! Black market is worse! Why is a black market worse? Tell me? Isnt there already a "black market" for lots of things? How does limiting the accsess of alcohol to every tom dick and harry, oh and their teenage kids by the way, making loose decisions to have sex, drive drunk, fight, and much more. You tell me its ok for all that stuff? Did you know that college kids spend more on alcohol than they do groceries, and textbooks? And most of these kids are underaged! Soooo many victims on every level. Quit thinking about only the adult angle. Dont make me start another thread about underage drinking and then lets see what you have to say?

oh i love alcohol, my abuse of the substance has removed alot of great things from my life. However its all been my choice always was no matter how much i rationalize and justify my actions, no matter how much i have blamed the people who love me. It was always my choice. Its just like any other substance, if you choose to abuse it than youll suffer the consequences.

Originally posted by TechniXcality
oh i love alcohol, my abuse of the substance has removed alot of great things from my life. However its all been my choice always was no matter how much i rationalize and justify my actions, no matter how much i have blamed the people who love me. It was always my choice. Its just like any other substance, if you choose to abuse it than youll suffer the consequences.

exactly and thats why other things are illegal that make people crazy. Also to have it sooo readily available so even kids drink all the time.. Thats not a pic of you in your avatar is it? If so you dont look very old to be legally speaking from experience? Have you done alot of underage "partying"?

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Originally posted by TechniXcality
oh i love alcohol, my abuse of the substance has removed alot of great things from my life. However its all been my choice always was no matter how much i rationalize and justify my actions, no matter how much i have blamed the people who love me. It was always my choice. Its just like any other substance, if you choose to abuse it than youll suffer the consequences.

exactly and thats why other things are illegal that make people crazy. Also to have it sooo readily available so even kids drink all the time.. Thats not a pic of you in your avatar is it? If so you dont look very old to be legally speaking from experience? Have you done alot of underage "partying"?

"Because they make people crazy". No that’s not why they are illegal, while alcohol remaining legal. You see we are on a conspiracy web site I cant believe you haven’t done any research into the legality of substances, and why some are legal while others not. I will say this, regardless of legality if someone wants to do it they will. Also not everybody who partakes of said substance becomes addicted. So why should the minority such as my self ruin it for the majority? Addiction is a disease not everybody is susceptible to. And no that is not me in the pic. I am a vet, im 23 years old I was stationed over seas where it was completely legal to drink, as federal law is 18. My God we drank, we were practically the economy in some of these small village's there clubs and bars packed with us. That’s an interesting thought too, perhaps American culture breeds more addictive personality's.editby]edit on 2-11-2011 by TechniXcality because: (no reason given)