Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the Internet

Originally posted by 2manyquestions

Originally posted by nightstalker78
Can someone point me to a link where it's be verified that this girl is mentally challenged? I've seen it mentioned,but nowhere did I see that it's confirmed that she actually is? She sure didn't look like it to me in that video.

She has cerebral palsy, so she's not exactly mentally challenged, but may be affected by other disorders. Texas Judge Caught Beating Ill Daughter

A Texas family law judge who was videotaped beating his cerebal-palsy-stricken daughter with a belt is being investigated today by police. Judge William Adams, who has ruled on child abuse cases throughout his career, is seen in a webcam video from 2004 beating his daughter with a belt and cursing at her for close to 10 minutes. The daughter, Hillery Adams, secretely taped the encounter, but only recently uploaded it to YouTube and the social sharing site Reddit.

Thank you for that.I had a friend who's sister had cerebral palsy and she was in a wheelchair.That's where I confused.I suppose everyone who has it is affected differently though.

Originally posted by LogiosHermes27
reply to post by SonicInfinity

 

lmaf,Good parenting,she deserved to get a beating with her little hard head ass,he should of beat her more,he should of just smaked the sh&^ out of her.
All parents should beat there kids like that,she will thank him when she gets older and have kids.

star for you OP ,AND THE FATHER

edit on 2-11-2011 by LogiosHermes27 because: (no reason given)

Someone needs to forward your IP addresses to child services,
and have them remove any children that are in your home. asp !

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos


My question to you is, at what point to you step in?

I can't tell you how many times I had to lie to teachers about the bruises on my arms and legs-but again, child abuse is nobody's business, right?

My only wish? That somebody would've called those "Nazi" police when my mom started the sexual abuse.

I am so sorry you experienced these horrors growing up.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


It will never be done.

I will always stand against a lynch mob.

There is not one single valid justification for it , ever. Ever.

After reading through many of the responses in this post, I'm amazed at the pithy, diversionary arguments and personal attacks made. Yes, someone has a right to disagree with you - but if their argument lacks logical reasoning, then others have a right to call them out on it. There's a difference between attacking someone personally and attacking their opinion.

Ultimately, I find the opinion that this father's behavior wasn't abuse to be illogical. In some ways this is my opinion, in other ways, it might not be - if child psychology experts and the court system deem this to be abuse without a doubt, for example.

How do we decide whether or not an act qualifies as abuse? Does expert opinion have an impact on someone's opinion of whether it is or not? If I believe it to mean discipling a child a) out of anger/rage, b) with anything other than the hand, c) leaving bruises, but someone believes it's only abuse when there's a broken bone, etc... coming to a consensus is pointless. Many on here just want to be argumentative, and it's just a waste of time (well, it is if you want to have a meaningful debate - not so much if you're interested in engaging in pissing contents or for some of contentious entertainment) if your goal is to expand your understanding of something. I mean, it helps me to understand the mindset/behavior of trolls but that's something else.

I'd be surprised if this wasn't considered abuse by the courts handling this offense and the psychologists treating the child. In my mind, it is abuse, but my opinion is just that. If someone disagrees with me, it's probably a waste of my time to engage in further discussion with them because it's highly unlikely I will change my mind.

'The divorce petition states that "the marriage has become insupportable because of discord or conflict of personalities'' but a counter-petition filed by Judge Adams' ex-wife states that the divorce was filed under grounds of "mental cruelty'.' that is from www.news.com.au... . Definition of 'mental cruelty' - As a ground for divorce, it is conduct that causes embarrassment, humiliation, and anguish so as to render life miserable and unendurable or to cause a spouse's life, person, or health to become endangered. Local television network KRIS-TV reported Hallie Adams, who said she was Ms Adams's mother, as writing on Facebook: "I am praying for my daughters and me and my family to heal in all ways from emotional and physical abuse, for the current and continuing abuse of my children and me that has been ongoing to end - starting now - for my daughters to both finally be able to go to [counselling] both individually and as a family group with their Dad's approval, encouragement, involvement and support, for him to finally make amends to all of us, talk openly with us, and take the first steps to letting our broken family heal.". That quote is from www.smh.com.au... html . They take kids away from parents in the U.S. for -much- less than what happened on this video.

Originally posted by ToneDeaf

Originally posted by LogiosHermes27
reply to post by SonicInfinity

 

lmaf,Good parenting,she deserved to get a beating with her little hard head ass,he should of beat her more,he should of just smaked the sh&^ out of her.
All parents should beat there kids like that,she will thank him when she gets older and have kids.

star for you OP ,AND THE FATHER

edit on 2-11-2011 by LogiosHermes27 because: (no reason given)

Someone needs to forward your IP addresses to child services,
and have them remove any children that are in your home. asp !

That's what is wrong with this.

You want to intervene in others lives and punish them physically for DISAGREEING WITH YOU ON A FORUM.

That is exactly what I am standing against right there.

You are what is wrong with this country. Mind your own business or be ready for karma to bring police into your house and bring you up on trumped up internet rumors.

I don't like your opinion, lets call the police on you.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Calling me a troll because I disagree is actually somewhat pathetic. It's not a real debate, it's just me stating my opinion and you insulting me for it.

Personal insults against me in this thread for my stance are a dime a dozen.

I wear armor at ATS, you think you can convince me with threats and insults, what a joke.

you're the joke, you support child beaters. I will again post your quotes for those that may have missed it....

I am sorry but this kid in the video is the least of my worries. It's way over-blown.

I hope she's happy with herself. She is gonna regret this for the rest of her life.

she probably screamed and cried extra loud just for the camera to make it appear even worse.

Her releasing it on the internet 7 years later, a week after a huge argument with her dad on the phone (let me guess he cut her money off?) right before his election, shows the depth of her deceptiveness.

She would have released it 7 years ago if it were to "stop" the punishment.

 This wasn't even real abuse

You will continue to have your opinion shoved back in your face, humanity doesn't accept supporters of child abuse... Be a man and show your kids what you say if you are confident of your opinion. But we all know you won't.

Originally posted by yaluk
this was tame, but too many people on here are weak. There is nothing wrong with this.

How about we just stop having kids and follow the model of brave new world...

Only a weak coward takes his frustrations out on a girl.
Lets see him try that on someone his own size
before you call everyone else 'weak'
btw Hopefully you are taking your own advice and
not having any kids.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by The_Phantom

Government intervention to help child being beat by adult = bad
Government intervention to help adult that beat child = good

You can't see the hypocrisy there?

It's legal to punish bad kids through corporal punishment. If you don't like the law, lobby to have it changed maybe?

It's illegal to essentially hang someone that you disagree with.

You can't see that you have more hate inside your heart than the man you despise so much in that video?

You think I have more hate in me than a man that beat a girl with cerebral palsy?

You can't have it both ways, either the government defends those that can't defend themselves or it doesn't.

Since you are for the government defending you, you have to be for the government defending your kid. But nope, you decide that is crazy talk that a child should get the same protection you get. I'm a hateful person for wanting children to be safe...

Originally posted by jewdiful
After reading through many of the responses in this post, I'm amazed at the pithy, diversionary arguments and personal attacks made.

One side believes emotion-driven mob violence is the answer.

The other side, the minority view, believes in due process, protection by law, and investigation.

Originally posted by The_Phantom


You can't have it both ways, either the government defends those that can't defend themselves or it doesn't.

Since you are for the government defending you, you have to be for the government defending your kid. But nope, you decide that is crazy talk that a child should get the same protection you get. I'm a hateful person for wanting children to be safe...

Defend the kid from what?
Legal punishment?
If you don't like it, lobby to change the law.

Stop pretending your opinion outweighs the law and justifies any punishment you decide is worthy.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by The_Phantom


You can't have it both ways, either the government defends those that can't defend themselves or it doesn't.

Since you are for the government defending you, you have to be for the government defending your kid. But nope, you decide that is crazy talk that a child should get the same protection you get. I'm a hateful person for wanting children to be safe...

Defend the kid from what?
Legal punishment?
If you don't like it, lobby to change the law.

Stop pretending your opinion outweighs the law and justifies any punishment you decide is worthy.

So you have come to the conclusion that the government should take kids away from abusive homes?

Is that right?

I don't support child beaters, stop painting me in nonfactual ways.

I am supporting parents legal right to discipline their kids however.

There is a difference.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by jewdiful
After reading through many of the responses in this post, I'm amazed at the pithy, diversionary arguments and personal attacks made.

One side believes emotion-driven mob violence is the answer.

The other side, the minority view, believes in due process, protection by law, and investigation.

it's really enlightening to see the lack of support for your immoral statements. The argument isn't due process vs violence, it's your attitude towards supporting this type of child abuse which I have proved with the list of your pathetic quotes. Can you see that your opinion of support for child abuse isn't welcome here, but you still post...

you're trying to insight rage, this isn't about due process.... its about you getting off being a ignorant troll

reply to post by muzzleflash


OK - so you won't have a grown up discussion about this

And, you're against lynch mobs...the man is being vilified - and this bothers you. That's actually admirable - in a twisted, nearly delusional kinda way

listen - sometimes people do things that are wrong - and it's obvious

this is one of those times - we have the video. We don't need a CSI team to figure this one out

you think he deserves due process? I agree

I absolutely agree - and I'm with you as far as wanting to avoid justice at the hands of an ugly, angry mob

but, for crying out loud muzzleflash - none of that changes the topic of discussion here, which is: should Daddy or should Daddy not viciously beat his handicapped little girl with a belt when she's naughty?

this is one of those times when you get a chance to have your cake and eat it too

so, what do you say - yay or nay?

Let's review shall we. Is this child abuse?


Judge Williams really enjoyed that to much for it to be simple discipline.

That was child abuse and should be treated as such.

I'm sure that now his life is pretty much ruined and all his friends will avoid him like the plague. He should
have thought of that before he beat his daughter like that.

I am curious as to the statute of limitations on the charges of child abuse and why the video is just now coming out. Why is this girl arguing with her father NOW over a telephone??? Move on, get a life. I don't agree with the beating and as I see it, the issue is more mental abuse than physical abuse. Her father is a control freak. I have been whooped many times as a child with a belt but I tell you what, a switch is much worse. I hated the people who were beating me and to this day, I don't feel I deserved it. I promised myself I would never treat my children the way I was treated and I didn't. My kids are grown, responsible and kind people. I also got over my hatred of the people who mistreated me. I surived with no physical scars, they got old and died.

P.S. Do I feel worse off by those beatings? No. But I don't feel better off either. I could have done without them and been just fine.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I don't support child beaters, stop painting me in nonfactual ways.

I am supporting parents legal right to discipline their kids however.

There is a difference.

you do support child beaters let me re-post which I am glad to do...

Muzzleflash supports and condones this type of abuse....

I am sorry but this kid in the video is the least of my worries. It's way over-blown.

I hope she's happy with herself. She is gonna regret this for the rest of her life.

she probably screamed and cried extra loud just for the camera to make it appear even worse.

Her releasing it on the internet 7 years later, a week after a huge argument with her dad on the phone (let me guess he cut her money off?) right before his election, shows the depth of her deceptiveness.

She would have released it 7 years ago if it were to "stop" the punishment.

 This wasn't even real abuse

Oh how you are looking more and more like a threat to your own children

the last quote says it all... I hate to think what you do to your own kids.

Originally posted by The_Phantom

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by The_Phantom


You can't have it both ways, either the government defends those that can't defend themselves or it doesn't.

Since you are for the government defending you, you have to be for the government defending your kid. But nope, you decide that is crazy talk that a child should get the same protection you get. I'm a hateful person for wanting children to be safe...

Defend the kid from what?
Legal punishment?
If you don't like it, lobby to change the law.

Stop pretending your opinion outweighs the law and justifies any punishment you decide is worthy.

So you have come to the conclusion that the government should take kids away from abusive homes?

Is that right?

Nice try, but no cigar.
You are disingenuously attempting to twist this back around to a non-applicable scenario.

I have been arguing that utilizing mob-mentality, and bypassing all legal channels of due process, to create your own self-righteous judge, jury, and execution goes against everything this nation was founded upon.

This was not legally defined as abuse, clearly. Just because you wish it was, only reveals you need to devote your life to changing the law that you dislike so much. I can't really tell you any solutions for your problem better than that.

Rather than getting the noose and pitchforks and torches, perhaps you should get a bill and try to get it passed and amend the existing laws? That would be a reasonable course of action that I would support.