Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the Internet

Yes, shame on me for standing by my principals and denying the violent mob.

Yes, I sure am ashamed for not being violent by nature and actually believing in due process.

reply to post by muzzleflash


ahhh - so you would like to squeeze out something righteous and noble from your quite obviously frowned upon lack of empathy and outrage?

did you see the video?

tell me - which facts are missing?

what would make this OK?

Originally posted by xavi1000
...and let this thread be closed.

There's no reason to close the thread. Whether you agree with muzzleflash or not, he has the right to express his opinion. Differing opinions is what ATS is all about.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by The_Phantom

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis


we're trying to have a civilization here muzzleflash

A civilization based upon lynch mobs, witch hunts, and declaring punishment for someone without even knowing half the facts or having any true investigation.

Your civilization sounds like Salem in the 1600s.

You seem to want it both ways, either the government get's involved or it doesn't.

The abuser should not receive protection that he abused doesn't have available to them.

You are ludicrous.

The girl is 23. She isn't even within the threat of any retribution from her father.

But the father's life is in jeopardy now. I hope you enjoy losing your own freedoms due to your own espoused belief in mob-justice.

His life is not in danger. Like I said right off the bat...

Isn't it ironic that the only thing now defending this man is the government?

The government is defending him, he is safe, however you don't seem to think that the government should defend kids that get abused by their parents. You want it both ways, you want to be able to feel safe while you smack your kid around.

Originally posted by xavi1000


Stubbornness is not good ... ...admit it now that you are wrong and that your eyes and your brain tell you that what you see in this video is WRONG and very bad and let this thread be closed.

Yes it is wrong to intervene in other people's lives and declare justice through mob-driven-retribution.

It is wrong to declare punishment before you know half the facts.

It is wrong to declare yourself judge, jury , and executioner.

Originally posted by The_Phantom

His life is not in danger. Like I said right off the bat...

Isn't it ironic that the only thing now defending this man is the government?

Isn't it ironic that on point 1 = you say there is no danger.

Then in point 2 you say "he's being defended", defended from WHAT? From You and the rest of the lynch mob, that's who.

Point 1 was your pre-programmed falsehood, point 2 was reasonable and realistic.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by The_Phantom


If that's the stance you want to take, then you should take the same stance for the victim of the abuse, nobody is stopping you from doing that.

What victim of abuse?

Oh someone who got hit with a belt?
What a joke.

The guy is about to face actual violence from random do-gooders, who are actually violent emotion-driven psychopaths who think they know best for everyone else and will threaten violence against those they disagree with.

Still clutching at straws????

Show your kids the video and see what they think of your views coward...

20 strikes of the belt is intent to cause physical harm, it's abuse. Excessive force was needed.. The father even said I will make her submit. Your the worst ATS member I have come across...

Welts and bruisings can damage blood vessels, create blood clots or worse internal bleeding....

Go on coward show your own kids the video and then act like this in front of them... You are just as bad as this child abusing father in the video. I pray for your children that you don't hit them like this because they disobeyed you...

Originally posted by SonicInfinity

Originally posted by xavi1000
...and let this thread be closed.

There's no reason to close the thread. Whether you agree with muzzleflash or not, he has the right to express his opinion. Differing opinions is what ATS is all about.

Thank you sir. Agreed.

Disagreement and fair debate is what ATS is all about, thank you very much.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by The_Phantom

His life is not in danger. Like I said right off the bat...

Isn't it ironic that the only thing now defending this man is the government?

Isn't it ironic that on point 1 = you say there is no danger.

Then in point 2 you say "he's being defended", defended from WHAT? From You and the rest of the lynch mob, that's who.

Point 1 was your pre-programmed falsehood, point 2 was reasonable and realistic.

My man, I'm not programmed by anyone...

I gave a theoretical situation for you to respond to.

By responding you showed pure hypocrisy in your stance.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by xavi1000


Stubbornness is not good ... ...admit it now that you are wrong and that your eyes and your brain tell you that what you see in this video is WRONG and very bad and let this thread be closed.

Yes it is wrong to intervene in other people's lives and declare justice through mob-driven-retribution.

It is wrong to declare punishment before you know half the facts.

It is wrong to declare yourself judge, jury , and executioner.

Why you mention mob all the time ..trial then jail i said and losing job immediatelly
Which facts ? it's all in the video ... no need for further evidence
Who is declaring something ?


It's terrifying that this men have decided and have power of many other faiths on people over the years. For ex:

He can take another person's child away in a custody dispute simply because he thinks someone is an unfit parent.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

ahhh - so you would like to squeeze out something righteous and noble from your quite obviously frowned upon lack of empathy and outrage?

did you see the video?

tell me - which facts are missing?

what would make this OK?

Ok since you know all the facts, what's the girl's middle name?
What color car does she drive?

You don't know barely any facts at all.
Yet you are already 100% determined you are correct.

Originally posted by xavi1000
no need for further evidence
Who is declaring something ?

You just declared that you don't need to investigate or research into the surrounding information of a case to know what really happened.

You would make a horrible detective.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Yes, shame on me for standing by my principals and denying the violent mob.

Yes, I sure am ashamed for not being violent by nature and actually believing in due process.

Be ashamed of supporting child abuse, tell your children what you are saying, your due process is grabbing a belt and using excessive force to discipline your children.... That's your due process...

Keep it up troll... You're getting shut down endlessly and you're running out of things to say...

Originally posted by The_Phantom

By responding you showed pure hypocrisy in your stance.

Just saying that doesn't make it so.

How exactly is it hypocritical to defend the legal rights of a citizen, and to deny a lynch mob it's desire to hang someone over pure-emotional-rage?

Please just wipe the foam off the mouth and think about it for awhile.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by SonicInfinity

Originally posted by xavi1000
...and let this thread be closed.

There's no reason to close the thread. Whether you agree with muzzleflash or not, he has the right to express his opinion. Differing opinions is what ATS is all about.

Thank you sir. Agreed.

Disagreement and fair debate is what ATS is all about, thank you very much.

There is nothing fair in supporting child abuse....

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by xavi1000
no need for further evidence
Who is declaring something ?

You just declared that you don't need to investigate or research into the surrounding information of a case to know what really happened.

You would make a horrible detective.

surrounding information ?

He beats her like a wild animal - case closed ..court should decide what punishment will follow

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by The_Phantom

By responding you showed pure hypocrisy in your stance.

Just saying that doesn't make it so.

How exactly is it hypocritical to defend the legal rights of a citizen, and to deny a lynch mob it's desire to hang someone over pure-emotional-rage?

Please just wipe the foam off the mouth and think about it for awhile.

Government intervention to help child being beat by adult = bad
Government intervention to help adult that beat child = good

You can't see the hypocrisy there?

Calling me a troll because I disagree is actually somewhat pathetic. It's not a real debate, it's just me stating my opinion and you insulting me for it.

Personal insults against me in this thread for my stance are a dime a dozen.

I wear armor at ATS, you think you can convince me with threats and insults, what a joke.

Originally posted by The_Phantom

Government intervention to help child being beat by adult = bad
Government intervention to help adult that beat child = good

You can't see the hypocrisy there?

It's legal to punish bad kids through corporal punishment. If you don't like the law, lobby to have it changed maybe?

It's illegal to essentially hang someone that you disagree with.

You can't see that you have more hate inside your heart than the man you despise so much in that video?

reply to post by muzzleflash


I know you feel you can't back down - but that was complete nonsense

if you want to have a real discussion about this - then lets

what facts are missing that might excuse what he's doing to his daughter - what would it take to make this OK?

if you can't give me a real reply - I'll know you don't have one - and we'll say this is done

at least between the two of us