I'll Make You A Believer

Most of you who post UFO videos on here are making fools of your selves and the UFO
community! I'm not directing this at the op, just in general.

I am a hard line skeptic, you have to be or you would be wiped out by fakery.
I believe in the possibility of ET Craft, I do not yet believe in the existence of
ET craft.

Many of you continue to whine "prove it's a fake", well most of the time
there is no proof necessary, just some common sense.

Odd things are in the skies, but there'e even odder things claiming to be filming them.
Balloons , seagulls in the sun etc etc etc

Please stop posting this rubbish on here, you are doing none of us any favours. Would it not be better to spend time researching for the real truth, or discussing really good older reports rather than the continuous barrage of utter junk that is supposed to pass as UFO cases.

Come on we as a community can do better than this.

End Of Rant

Originally posted by rigel4
Come on we as a community can do better than this.

Not really, no... because the visitors have stopped coming for a while as evidenced by the total lack of ANY recent credible sightings, not counting the plasma critters which are on the increase. But those just show up as fuzzy blurry glowing blobs of energy

So your stuck wasting your time on endless fake UFO videos because you don't believe in the critters and there are no new hard core reports to examine

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by rigel4
Come on we as a community can do better than this.

Not really, no... because the visitors have stopped coming for a while as evidenced by the total lack of ANY recent credible sightings, not counting the plasma critters which are on the increase. But those just show up as fuzzy blurry glowing blobs of energy

So your stuck wasting your time on endless fake UFO videos because you don't believe in the critters and there are no new hard core reports to examine

Zorgon, Old man, I do believe you are right. If only i could get with the program.

*Hangs head in shame*

Originally posted by newcovenant
If someone tells you your house is on fire are you a skeptic until you see for yourself?

The difference is that, yes, I have seen fire, and pretty much everybody agrees that fire exists. Now, if somebody tells me my house is being engulfed in green ectoplasm that they know is from alien squish guns, then don't you think that person should work a little harder before I'll go along with that?

There are no Aliens. Microsoft loses I-Phones in bars, Presidents are caught screwing around on their wives, and those of you who "believe" have way too much faith in the ability of mankind to keep a secret. Walk outside, kick an ant hill, and walk back in. Do you care, did you post a sign, did it concern you how many ants saw you? The answer is NO. What you see in the sky is modern USA weaponry. The B-2 Bomber is 40 year old technology. Why do you think the Soviets gave up? Why have the Arabs not attacked Israel? Why is North Korea suddenly quiet? The reason is they know, someone has shown them what American Technology has built. Why do you think China is the Economic power house it is, because they KNOW we own the Technical World? Their only option is Economic Warfare. No Aliens, just tax payer $$$$

Um, to the original topic.. if you want to be a believer or simply make other people believe, just ask them if in the 21 century, if "beings" came from the heavens/sky/ what ever, what would we call them? Compare that to ancient times and we common sensibly understand the gods were extra terrestrials. Real bummer to all the evolutionist & religious nuts.

Nicely done OP. I love the old photos. I've proven to myself that they are genuine. Some people will refuse to believe no matter what. You should've included the 1991 Mexico eclipse mass sightings. But the sceptoids will tell you that was Venus...LMAO!

Originally posted by maddog99
Nicely done OP. I love the old photos. I've proven to myself that they are genuine. Some people will refuse to believe no matter what. You should've included the 1991 Mexico eclipse mass sightings. But the sceptoids will tell you that was Venus...LMAO!

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What form of proof did you use on yourself , to prove the genuineness
of the op's clips............ prey tell us!

reply to post by zorgon


I don't even need to look it up, I remember how it's done.

Really great video! I do a lot of UFO Research myself, and every time I hear Robert Dean speak it inspires me to do more research!

Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by maddog99
Nicely done OP. I love the old photos. I've proven to myself that they are genuine. Some people will refuse to believe no matter what. You should've included the 1991 Mexico eclipse mass sightings. But the sceptoids will tell you that was Venus...LMAO!

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What form of proof did you use on yourself , to prove the genuineness
of the op's clips............ prey tell us!

I'm talking about some of the old photos. And it's not hard if you understand how to use graphic arts programs...which have been in my house since the old Apple IIci...so let's not go there. Plus, like I said, I proved it to myself, because other people refuse to believe and I'm never going to waste my time on such ignorance.

Originally posted by zorgon
Not really, no... because the visitors have stopped coming for a while as evidenced by the total lack of ANY recent credible sightings, not counting the plasma critters which are on the increase. But those just show up as fuzzy blurry glowing blobs of energy

Interesting notion. It is odd that good, solid UFO encounters seem to have dropped to almost zero lately. It may have more to do with a change in the way they are (or aren't) being reported, though.

What do you think about the idea that we all might be part of what might loosely be understood as a kind of "river of reality," where we all get together and define reality along a certain flowing path? Say sometimes it flows deeper and stronger in one riverbed and won't allow much variation, compared to say a broader, flatter river, where various unusual realities can sneak in around the edges.

Maybe the "aliens" exist on the farther outlying fringes of our reality, and maybe your plasma critters are a little closer to the mainstream. Of course, neither of them are quite real enough at the moment to do things like leave physical traces after they've been encountered then vanish. But the critters, which can be more easily explained away as atmospheric electrical phenomena, are still showing up here and there (zooming in and out of tornadoes and volcanoes, for instance) but not being reported with as much enthusiasm as a nuts-and-bolts type flying saucer.

A reality river? Or maybe a reality "cloud" that can either be sharply defined like a thunderhead or fuzzy like fog? Literally the farther out you get from the center, the less real things become.

Anyway, I've been pondering the notion of manipulating reality fields or constructs as useful ways to do things like travel from one apparent time to another. Maybe it's connected in some way. Don't know. I don't know how one would go about measuring something like the relative density or temperature of reality.

Originally posted by newcovenant
If someone tells you your house is on fire are you a skeptic until you see for yourself? I will bet you are a believer - without any proof at all then.

I wouldn't believe it just because someone was telling me so, I would need more information about it.

I know a case in which someone called the fire department because they saw too much smoke coming out of an apartment, but it was just some guy grilling mackerels.

The onus of proof is on the individual to believe and understand what is the truth.

No, because he/she has nothing to prove.

Choose to be ahead of the curve and informed or remain ignorant and in the dark clinging to what other people who have not experienced the phenomena for themselves - have told you is true? There is really just the two choices.

I think that explains the problem with some people in subjects for which there is too little information, like UFOs. People that are afraid of being "left behind" and get "ahead of the curve" just to appear as someone "in the know" about the subject, when in fact they know as little as all other people, the only difference is that they act as if they have a "special familiarity" with the subject.

The video promoted as a UFO crash in the desert has been identified and proven to be a purposeful hoax originating with well exposed fraud Jaime Maussan.

I don't know why this one has such staying power, it is pretty obvious what it is without needing to be told and if it is not obviously a military related test of some type of weapons system perhaps you should do a bit more research to familiarize yourself with the known before trying to tackle identification of the unknown?

Additional analysis done on the video by CSETI, the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, revealed that, “We determined that it was an experimental, classified craft being tested, most likely by the U.S. Department of Defense.”

Davison also added that his analysis showed that the footage had not had any computer-generated images added to it, except for at the footage’s very beginning, which featured a sort of fade-in from a completely white screen and which he discovered had originally been added for “Third Millenium,” a Spanish-language TV show hosted by Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan.

“I received the ‘crash’ video from Jaime [Maussan] upon his arrival in New Zealand…,” Jonathan Eisen said. “[Maussan] said at the time that it arrived anonymously at his desk in Mexico City, and never found out who did it.”

And then there is Monte Marlin. Marlin represents White Sands Missile Range’s Public Affairs Office, and in a recent e-mail wrote, “Our optics branch identifies [this video] as an infrared shot of a Navy missile test."

"Here at White Sands Missile Range, our primary job is to conduct tests of weapons systems under development and collect the data from these tests, including high-speed and infrared optics. To those not in our business, some of this footage might be misconstrued.”

Added Marlin: “ I do not have any specific information on this test or its date. I am fairly confident that it is from White Sands.”

UFOs Will Crash, Part III

Originally posted by Masterjaden
Yes, today it would be completely foolis h to believe that the earth is still flat but in the sixteenth century it was commonly accepted that the earth was flat.

It wasn't that accepted, that's why Columbus had some trouble in finding someone to pay for the voyage, nobody believed that the Earth was as small as he thought, but everybody knew that the Earth was round (or pear-shaped, according to some).

PS: Columbus voyage was in the 15th century, not the 16th, so in the 16th century many more people knew that the Earth was (and still is ) round.

reply to post by ArMaP

No, because he/she has nothing to prove.

I think you have to prove it to your own satisfaction regardless of what other people present as evidence. You have to be comfortable with what you have arrived at no matter how you get there. You may get there without an iota of tangible evidence. Courts have permitted people to walk free and sentenced others to die based on less substantial proof than what we have available in the UFO debate.

when in fact they know as little as all other people, the only difference is that they act as if they have a "special familiarity" with the subject.

No...I see the photos and I BELIEVE people, such as astronauts, pilots and aviators, police and people who know more than the average person and have intimate and extraordinary familiarity with the subject and low inclination to lie.

For the ones that have had the opportunity to see something that they or the others cannot fully explain . Face it the hard line skeptics have no need to see things your way . Because it is of no real value to them in the end .

Whether they have the notion of kicking and screaming to their graves it is fake , so be it . Do not forget that some are paid to discredit and derail .

www.unitedstatesmilitia.com...

Would it not be better to spend time researching for the real truth,

reply to post by rigel4


Perhaps you should follow your own advice rigel4. I'm sure you can't be a hard enough skeptic to remain teetering on the "still can't be sure" fence for visiting ET craft after having reviewed intensely all the most probable cases.

Originally posted by iwantmygoldback1933
Compare that to ancient times and we common sensibly understand the gods were extra terrestrials.

Or vice-versa.

i believe in every bit of the whole ufo conspiracy. i never really payed any attention to the situation until recently when i had my own experience, i praise the ones who actually push to get the truth out there. the world needs to know whats going on up there. i for one plan on trying to put together some of my own evidence and getting the message out there. theres plenty of oppertunities, you just have to believe in it enough to want to do things like that.