I'll Make You A Believer

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For starters look yourself at the first footage of balloons where you can see the largest yellow one tumble and it's entirely obvious what it is. You don't need anyone to point that one out. I'll look at the rest when I get a chance. It's been a crazy day.

Problem is when you know you've seen a clip before, there is no easy way to find it again. I think where I stopped was a video from that fellow in Mexico I think who has many clips of balloons attributed to him. They always look like a mass of little white orbs exactly as one would expect them to look in sunlight.

I suspect I know about the rocket footage before I even see it, but I'll watch as soon as I get time.

I know its been said over and over again, but the YouTube stuff really is hurting this topic and making it hard on everyone. I know the only reason I started watching this is it is compiled by a reasonable member.

Well the government of

Usa\Canada\Mexico\France\Uk\Australia\Germany\Russia\Austria\Belgium amongst some confirms that ET exist,they have also released 128 000 documents,5 videos from their spacestations,and the president of france himself says. If you do not believe us now, then you have two choices.

1: You sue us and go to court,but you will with no doubt loose.
2: Wait and see for yourself.


Now that is just the facts in the world today.

If you DO not watch news in your own country or read newspapers this might be news for you.

Google will provide you with the information you need, or you can simply contact your own government,or the local newspaper.

This topic is no longer in the option of belief,it has nothing to do with belief. It is pure logic,nature and science.

As a scientist i have for many years now been working with brilliant historians\archaelogists and some members of lockheed martin on this subject. And my conclusion is.

There is no fix for convincing the "public". The only option is to just let the future take its course.

Ben rich before his deathbed: In my opinion,the public shall never be informed about Ufo and Extra terrestrials, cause they can never handle the truth...EVER..

Well. Ben rich is right, but can the "public" ever be intelligent enough to understand?

The government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge" administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector.

Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the roswell spacecraft. From Kelly`s SR71 blackbird
onward to today`s drones,UCAVS and aerospace craft.

Here is a Quote from colonel Philip Corso; Army intelligence officer,former head of foreign technology at the US Army`s research and development department at the pentagon and four years Director of Intelligence on President Eisenhower`s white house National security staff..


"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell,N.mex, in Juli 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit ship ,laser and fibre optic technologies,particle beams,electromagnetic propulsion systems,depleted uranium,projectiles,stealth and many more.

How do i know? i was in charge!!!

I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth,and i think we ought to give it to them,i think they deserve it.


www.youtube.com...


I might be grown up or too old,but i have heard. If its on youtube,its not real.

That does not logically make any sense. Its the subject delivered,not the channel you should doubt if there is any. So enjoy youtube, you should, we arent that brainwashed are we?.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Archirvion
Ben rich before his deathbed: In my opinion,the public shall never be informed about Ufo and Extra terrestrials, cause they can never handle the truth...EVER..

Here is WHY there will be no disclosure.. listen careful.

UFO Conversations - Dr. Robert Wood

Originally posted by CrashUnderride
I give you the Drake Equation. Pretty much PROOF that extraterrestrial life exists.

The Drake Equation (or any other statistics related equation) isn't proof of anything, it just gives us an idea of the possibilities of something happening or not.

It's the same thing as saying that, if an average person has 100,000 hairs in their head, then it means that in a 200,000 inhabitants city there are 100,000 pairs of persons with the same number of hairs; it's possible, the equation is right, but is it true?

PS: for the above we must disregard bald people, and that also shows that if we do not know all the variables that affect something we cannot really predict things with statistics.

Originally posted by newcovenant
I also think I can tell when someone is lying and although I am sure mistakes have been made in every instance this is not so.

Many people think that they are able to tell when someone is lying, but how can they (you) be sure? If it's just the way they feel, then there's nothing really supporting their opinion, even if they are right.

The witness knew exactly what they were seeing and it was beyond earthling capability.

How can we know? There's no way of seeing things through the eyes of someone, and even if they had experience in that field that doesn't mean that they weren't mistaken.

The problem with witnesses is that we cannot really see and feel what they saw and felt, so we are limited to their description, and even their description may not exactly correspond to what happened, either because there was some thing they forgot to mention or because they interpreted in a way that was not correct or by many other reasons.

That's why one witness' testimony has always less "weight" than a consistent group of testimonies from several witnesses.

Some of this has also been picked up by radar and there is some small amount of physical evidence documented.

I was only talking about the witnesses, to me they are the weakest link in any case.

To believe there is not ET life in the face of all this (not to mention the Drake equation above) is to me the more skeptical and doubtful position and the greater leap of faith.

I believe that extraterrestrial life is possible, but believing that some of those extraterrestrial beings have the capability, the possibility and the will to come to Earth is a different thing.

Originally posted by Darkmask
I have had "intimate and extraordinary familiarity with the subject" of UFOs and/or Aliens. Saw an "old school" flying saucer slowly hovering about 100 ft above the ground and almost came right over top of me.

I don't consider that just seeing them, even that close, could be considered as having intimate and extraordinary familiarity with the subject. Sure it was an extraordinary event (it doesn't happen everyday to all people, far from it), but for it to be intimate and familiar it should have been more than just seeing it and it should have happened several times.

There is more to the story but I'm not going to get into that right now. It's really irrelevant whether you believe me or not. I know what I know, and you're going to believe what you're going to believe and that's the way it is.

I believe that your interpretation of what happen is like you told us, but how can I (or even you) be sure that that's what happened? And it's true that what other people believe is irrelevant to what really happened, but so is your interpretation of what happened, things happen the way they do regardless of who may be watching.

I do think, perhaps, that you might be guilty of over analyzing things.

That's true, but that's how I am.

Some witnesses have too much to lose by comming forward with evidence. Others risk tarnishing prestigious careers and reputations by offering their personal accounts of the subject matter. Some of us DO know that something is going on, it's just that many people don't believe us. Your loss I suppose.

The fact that people have put their careers or credibility in danger because they thought that they should speak about their experiences only shows us that they felt it was important enough to make them take that step. Although it tells us that they are people that do not put themselves above the common good, it doesn't help in knowing what really happened, we are still depending on their interpretation, accurate or flawed, and we cannot know how accurate or flawed it is.

Originally posted by watchdog8110
When an air born object appears then disappears and reappears again . In multiple locations all over the globe , what is the skeptics first reply when a person tells of it .

The first thing I ask in cases like this is "how can we know it was the same"?

Originally posted by newcovenant
I wonder why this is?
Why doesn't ATS label everything here a hoax?

How can it be untrue and yet not be outed as a hoax?

To me, it's because a hoax means that there was the intention of deceiving someone, either those to which the information is presented directly (like making a thread to show a hoaxed video or photo made by the person that makes the thread) or other people that find that information and present it to others thinking it is true.

When someone posts photos or videos of real (or accepted as such) events and it turns out as a matter of interpretation, that cannot be considered a hoax, just some case for which we haven't enough information to really classify.

Originally posted by CrashUnderride

Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by v1rtu0s0

 

Have you heard of King Arthur And The Knights Of The Round Table? The Round Table was real, here is a photo of it:-

www.vrwinchester.co.uk...


King Arthur was just fiction. What you have here are photo's of some kind of aerial phenonemon but the aliens are as real as KIng Arthur.

Please tell me you're not THAT ignorant. I give you the Drake Equation. Pretty much PROOF that extraterrestrial life exists. Not saying for a fact we'll ever meet them, but they DO exist. The odds of it are so astronomically high that they DO exists.

The "Drake equation" is meaningless drivel!
Not saying there isn't life out side the solar system, or even with in, Just that the
Drake's Mathematical prediction is complete guess work, that bares no relation to reality.

How could it!!

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by v1rtu0s0

 

For starters look yourself at the first footage of balloons where you can see the largest yellow one tumble and it's entirely obvious what it is. You don't need anyone to point that one out. I'll look at the rest when I get a chance. It's been a crazy day.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Pimander

Not quite right... Draw these 9 dots on a piece of paper and connect them using 4 straight lines WITHOUT lifting your pen

And don't use google

In case anyone is stuck...

Too easy, Zorg. Start at 3,3 then a horizontal through 1,3 going "out of the box," then through 1,2 and 2,1 (coordinates) diagonally. The rest is obvious. I used to use it when I was teaching for obvious reasons.

Opps! Forgot to mention the first line from 1,1.


ETA: Nobody corrected me though.

Originally posted by ArMaP

To me, it's because a hoax means that there was the intention of deceiving someone, either those to which the information is presented directly (like making a thread to show a hoaxed video or photo made by the person that makes the thread) or other people that find that information and present it to others thinking it is true.

When someone posts photos or videos of real (or accepted as such) events and it turns out as a matter of interpretation, that cannot be considered a hoax, just some case for which we haven't enough information to really classify.

I agree, some are hoaxes, but many are people just believing what they want to believe. There are many psychology experiments done to determine just how good or bad our perception of the world is, and we failed miserably every time. A good book to read on this is called The Invisible Gorilla.

This is why true, out of this world, empirical evidence is needed. We have rinse and repeated everyone's interpretations of wall/cave paintings, old photos, newer photos/video, many interviews etc, and we still, after what, 1000 to 50,000 years have not progressed an inch farther. Even with everyone on the planet owning a camera now and instant world communications we are basically still in the dark about Aliens.

This leads one to a conclusion that there just isn't any aliens around us, and more pictures and/or interviews will not progress this anymore forward to a different conclusion.

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
By the way, I can re-cut the video with any footage you guys disprove, but so far all I see are theories, besides Springers comment which seems to debunk the rocket footage.

You should include the above mentioned Tehran incident. There is an interview with one of the pilots on YouTube.

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by Pimander

 

Cool, so he was real!!
Just where is the king buried?
As I would love to go to his gravesite.
mmmhm, so they just lost the body huh?
Sure.

Show me Hitler or Bin Ladens body.... There are thousands of historical figures where we have no grave. Sometimes the enemies of a leader do not allow a shrine to exist if they can help it for obvious reasons...

The Arthur thing is obviously semi-mythical, I'll agree. That does not mean it has no basis in reality.

Originally posted by CrashUnderride
Please tell me you're not THAT ignorant. I give you the Drake Equation. Pretty much PROOF that extraterrestrial life exists. Not saying for a fact we'll ever meet them, but they DO exist. The odds of it are so astronomically high that they DO exists.

The Drake equation doesn't prove anything at all. The topic has been discussed before on ATS but I'm not sure how clearly that has been explained.

Of course the odds are astronomical still. In fact the chances are 1. We have been visited.

Originally posted by zorgon
Prove it? Not even going to waste my time trying...

What I find is that I lack the vocabulary to properly put together a reasonably workable paradigm. It all ends up sounding like warmed over theosophical gibberish. I'm sure you run into similar problems, since I imagine that your "plasma" critters may or may not be composed of actual plasma as it's commonly understood, and there's really no good way to explain how they can maintain any coherence despite being made out of energetic particles all with the same strong charge. Like ghosts, perhaps. Or how an intelligence or consciousness might maintain its structure over time outside a physical body (morphic fields?).

No, I don't know how something like that might be proven unless we open up some new dimensions that can hold all that stuff together despite its tendency to tear itself apart. Hey, magnetism does it. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll live long enough to educate myself in interdimensional field mechanics to a point where I can use it to present possible explanations for this stuff. Oh, well.

Originally posted by zorgon
That would indicate fewer visitors

Any good abduction cases lately to examine?

I was just thinking the other day of one of my favorite cases, which is the 1973 Hickson-Parker Abduction. Man, that was a good one that had it all! Flying saucers, weird aliens (that weren't boring Greys!), medical experimentation, hidden police microphones that tended to prove they weren't lying, basically a bullet-proof case. No real "evidence," of course. But there just don't seem to be cases like that anymore, at least that people are reporting. Too bad, really.

Originally posted by newcovenant
How can it be untrue and yet not be outed as a hoax?

There's always room for opinion and personal experience that won't necessarily be provably "true," yet still not be a deliberate hoax.

If you tell me you saw a flying saucer land in your backyard and then take off before you could get a photo of it (not that it matters), people around here won't generally call you a liar. Reasonably, we weren't there, and we'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you described the thing to the best of your ability. We can't really expect you to prove it, either, so we can't confirm that it really happened. We weren't there to experience it with you. So, okay, it wasn't a "hoax," but we can't declare it to have been "true," either. We don't know. Only you do, if you trust your own senses. (I've been fooled enough by my own senses to seriously doubt them. )

But if you come around here and swear you know something for sure is true, we're going to naturally ask you how you came to your conclusions. I think that's fair. However, if all you have is a "feeling" or a telepathic communication from who or whatever, then we're back to it being your opinion again, and possibly a hoax.

We're just doing it to try and wade through all the garbage and get some decent information. I think that's what we're all looking for.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I was only talking about the witnesses, to me they are the weakest link in any case.

I think it's interesting that while eyewitnesses may be the weakest link in any individual case, overall, there wouldn't even be a UFO field without them. There is such a small amount of real, solid physical evidence around (and none of it pointing in a clear direction) that the most compelling thing about UFOs I think is the tens of thousands of ordinary folks who see something odd and tell somebody about it. They don't have cameras or photos or radar traces or angel hair or anything. It's just a bunch of average people who are probably reasonably sure they saw something odd, can more or less accurately describe it, aren't crazy, and have no reason to lie.

They indicate that there is something worth studying, however, the study has so far been sadly unproductive.