Exposing the evils of Wicca Witchcraft!

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Akragon

 

I agree star for you,
This post has really put me of Christianity
It seems from the posts I have read here that to get into heaven all you have to do is to accept jesus into your life and thats it.
Everyone else goes to Hell because they don't follow Christ even if they are a good person.
Not slagging off all christians because I have met nice one's who talk sense in my thread.
Would God really want us to follow a very old outdated book or would he want us to explore all different things to help human's understand him?
We have a spirit which wants to understand everything in this universe and maybe God put it there so we can get to know him better.
Seems to me the OP wants the Christianity of the 1600's all Fire and brimstone and not the Christianity of Love, tolerance and understanding.

God wants you to follow the old outdated book because it is the only one approved by Him. Why don't you really read it once to find out what it really says?

The Bible is not just a book of history, but it has teaching for all people. When I say all people, I mean young, old, rich, poor, and all the entire social stratum. It contains astronomy, archeology, genealogy, architecture, anthropology, and all other sciences. It also contains universal truths and themes. It contains life lessons, morality and teaching people how to conduct themselves in their daily life through integrity and honesty.

If you look at it simply as a book of stories, you miss the bigger picture. What is wrong with a book that says you are loved and cared for and you should treat your neighbors and enemies with respect? What is wrong with that? Just because the Bible says God is God, is that what the whole problem is? If you don't want to acknowledge God then don't. But why disregard the book that says God loves you and wants you to be blessed?

Just please, read it for what it really says.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by autowrench

 

You really want me to start breaking out the examples of Christian cults?

You really want me to break out the murderous history and persecution of Christianity, I don't think ATS has enough server space to hold the list.

Pagans are static? When is the last time Catholics had a woman priest?
Why are nuns still paid poverty wages?

And then when is the last time you have heard of an animal sacrifice Actually the religion is constantly adapted to modern times.

Nice try though. But understand what you are talking about before you stick your foot in your mouth.

Please! Be my guest. I was not talking about Wiccans when I said that. Please read it again? You and I are on the same page.

When you have a plethora of religions that say "Do what thou wilt.." which means "It's your thing, do what you want to do.." that leaves it wide open for you to do just exactly what you want, even if it means you are permitted to lust and commit adultery, that permission given by that entity.

reply to post by WarminIndy



But that is not what is said at all.
"Do what thou will, lest ye harm none" is the phrase.
Meaning you are free to do anything so long as no one is hurt by your actions.
It is EXACTLY the same meaning as
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

reply to post by avatar22


In fact, the meaning, as perceived by most people I have entered into conversation with regarding this very statement, is further to include yourself in the group of 'no one'. So do what you will, lest you harm no one, means not only will you do no harm to your fellow human, you will do nothing to harm yourself either. Sounds like a pretty decent way to live to me.

reply to post by EarthChilde


Exactly

Iam gonna give up on this thread......
Again lol
Learnt one thing here, I will never be a Christian (not saying he din't do any good)
I think Christ would be horrified at the religion which bear's his name. (Also the views of some so called Christians in this thread)

Gonna make my own God up who will accept anyone for who they are and will not demand for me to Obey him blindly.

If only God was this dude

jbishop.tumblr.com...

cya all Iam going to write a book now and in 2000 years I hope everyone will follow it because its gonna be more understanding of people who think differently than the other 2000 year old book.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Actually, Jesus could not have ever seen "Lucifer" do anything. Lucifer is a Latin name. The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (=light) + ferous (=to bear or carry). Thus the name "Lucifer" means: Light-bearer or Light-bringer.
In the English version of the Bible the name "Lucifer" appears only one time--in Isaiah 14:12. This is Old Testament now. Since Hebrew is the original language of the Hebrew Bible (known as the Torah and Tanakh), it is therefore a language that has always been central to Judaism and valued by the Jewish people for over three thousand years. The big problem is that "Lucifer" is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar friend and Rabbi, who tells me the following:

"In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name Lucifer."

So, there you have it. Lucifer was a human being, not the Ultimate author of Evil. Now we shall look at Satan, which Christians seem to think is the same being as Lucifer. The Hebrew word "Satan" is used in the Hebrew Bible with the general connotation of "adversary," being applied to:
1. to an enemy in war (I Kings v. 18; xi. 14, 23, 25), from which use is developed the concept of a traitor in battle (I Samuel. 29)
an accuser before the judgment-seat (Psalms 6)
3. to any opponent (II Samuel)
4. As an angel who works for God, and acts as a prosecuting attorney against mankind (the Book of Job)

Some are getting a free education on Ancient History and Early Christianity here, aren't they?

I guess when you look at it from one side your always right. But what are the facts?

Lucifer is mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls so would be impossible for any Christian to have corrupted that verse.

In Isa 14:12-16 (KJV, NKJV), why is Lucifer mentioned here?
The Hebrew term here is "shining one", and the name Lucifer means "shining one", so Jerome, in translating the Vulgate, put the name Lucifer in here. The NASB says "star of the morning", the NIV says "morning star", the NRSV says "day star", and Green's Literal Translation says "shining star", the Septuagint says "dawn-bringer" and the Syriac Pe#ta says the name 'Aylel. See The Complete Book of Bible Answers p.243-244, Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties p.268-270, Hard Sayings of the Bible p.302-303, and New Age Bible Versions Refuted p.17 for more info.


In Isa 14:12-16, does this refer to Satan (Lucifer), or to an earthly king of Babylon?
It almost certainly refers to Satan, also called Lucifer. The pride and cruelty here do not fit any king of Babylon from Isaiah's time onward. Here were the kings of Babylon.
627-605 B.C. Nabopolassar (Nabu-apal-usur)
605-Aug/Sept./562 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar II (Nabu-kudurri-usur) He was powerful, but not very cruel compared to the Assyrians.
562-560 B.C. Evil-Merodach (Amel-Marduk)
Nebuchadnezzar’s son
560-556 B.C. Neriglissar (Nergal-Sharezer)
Nebuchadnezzar’s son-in-law
556 B.C (2 months) Labashi-Marduk - From this time on, Babylon felt very threatened by the rising power of the Medes and Persians
556-539 B.C. Nabonidus (Nabu-na’ia)
553-10/539 B.C. Belshazzar (Bel-shar-usur) (co-regent)
539 B.C. Persians capture Babylon. Gubaru, a Persian general, is called the king of Babylon. Gubaru was actually a former Babylonian governor who defected to the Persians.
Finally, in Luke 10:18 Jesus is alludes to Isaiah 10:18, except for lightning instead of dawn-bringer (Heosphoros), so Jesus identified this as Lucifer.
See Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties p.268-270, When Critics Ask p.268-269, and The Bible Knowledge Commentary : Old Testament p.1326 for more info.
See Today's Handbook for Solving Bible Difficulties p.144,175 for a contrary view, that Isaiah 14 refers only to the king of Babylon, not Satan. However, 735 Baffling Bible Questions Answered p.168 points out that Jesus so obviously alluded to Isaiah 14 in Luke 10:18 that it does mean Lucifer as well as the king of Babylon.

www.biblequery.org...

We must study harder.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

You Sir have no right to say anything about wicca's by your own admission you know nothing about them.

I could easily say the same about those who think they know so much about Christianity yet deny it.

Originally posted by avatar22

When you have a plethora of religions that say "Do what thou wilt.." which means "It's your thing, do what you want to do.." that leaves it wide open for you to do just exactly what you want, even if it means you are permitted to lust and commit adultery, that permission given by that entity.

reply to post by WarminIndy

 

But that is not what is said at all.
"Do what thou will, lest ye harm none" is the phrase.
Meaning you are free to do anything so long as no one is hurt by your actions.
It is EXACTLY the same meaning as
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

Last one promise

unless your a sado-masocist lol sorry couldnt resist

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

I don't know if Wiccans can call up the dead, but I do know that they cast spells. If there is no danger in such practices then why is God against it?

God didn't write the bible, so what makes you think he is against it?

Considering the number of times witchcraft/sorcery/wizardry etc etc actually shows up in the bible..... and in each case it gives no explanation of why "God" hates such things.... I would say it was simply fear of the unknown in said examples.

Jesus said nothing of the sort, and considering "christians" are supposed to follow him... Judging these people for their beliefs is very "unchristian"

So in other words your saying it's false? Yes or No? And show me one book on earth that has not been written by men. No matter what belief a person follows, those beliefs most likely came from the writings of other men also so that proves nothings. The question is was it really inspired by God?

That is up to you to decide... why are you listening to what i tell you?

Im happy to give you my opinion... The only inspired writing in the bible is those that speak of Jesus and his example he left us... The rest can be tossed out the window in MY opinion...

He did not say anything like what the OP is selling... Though if you agree with what he says that is your judgement...

If you take the entire bible as "Gods word" that is your issue... but remember

The blind should not lead the blind...

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If you believe the example He left us, then you should also agree when He said this:

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Are you saying that the Wiccans believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? That would be blasphemy according to them.

Your right, the blind can never lead the blind, other wise both will fall into the ditch.

Belief in him means nothing if you don't believe the things he taught... Belief in a name holds no truth unless you believe what that name stood for... or as he said:

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.



One can say i believe in Jesus, but then steal from his neighbour, or cause harm to others...

I don't think you'll find a single true wiccan that would deny the works Jesus did were pure... Many of them follow the light...

Read on in that chapter and you'll find this...

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So again, belief in a Name means nothing if you don't also believe in the work of that person... And wiccans do believe in his example

Originally posted by WarminIndy
[That was long and I apologize, but it is very clear in the teaching. When you yield your body and your life to a spiritual being, you are subject to that being. When you have a plethora of religions that say "Do what thou wilt.." which means "It's your thing, do what you want to do.." that leaves it wide open for you to do just exactly what you want, even if it means you are permitted to lust and commit adultery, that permission given by that entity. But you then have to accept there will be consequences for your actions. Jesus came to save us from that concept of doing our own thing, because we all were subject to spiritual entities that do rule over us. We really do not do our own thing.

I agree, you live your religion.

As for the groups that go by the mantra: do what the will and ye should harm none, it is just that. As long as you do not harm none.
Most paganism, especially the celtic derivatives, are about fertility. And sex is ruled by God. It is not taboo, or prohibited.
Lust is considered completely natural.It is used by some groups as part of the ritual. It is a very free thing.
But the harm none is a powerful catch.You do not intentionally harm someoen else. So lets take adultery. If you have promised someone to not to be with anyone else, and you have, you have deliberately hurt them. So therefore you are breaking the reed.

In my opinion, thee shall harm none is far more regulating then the very specific, though shall not kill and the nine other commandments.

An unspoken creed is also, you take care of the body that was gifted you. So if your activities get dangerous, then you are harming a gift.

And the very essence of many pagan religions is that you are in charge of your own destiny. You are not a puppet for a diety. As long as you take care of the planet and take care of others. You were put here to serve, but to serve freely and in love.
in fact, you are in charge of your choices because only when you make the right ones are you able to join the Gods. Will is the driving factor, not action.You come to join the light out of free will and desire, not because it was declared or told to you how to do so.

Okay.
Seeing a thread like this really upset me.
I don't care what religion you are. It gives you no right to bash upon others for what they believe in. Honestly. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wiccans DO NOT believe in Satan. That is a point in itself.
I don't understand how not wanting to grovel before a selfish god's feet makes me subject to worshiping something that was created by the church to scare people into their religion.

Wiccans believe that what you do comes back to you times 3.

Do not compare several other religions together. Each religion has its own belief systems. And should be viewed separably, not comparability.

Wicca actually DOES predate Christianity. I actually got a source to further back up my point:www.newageinfo.com...

According to this source, Wicca predates Christianity by about 28,000 years. Further evidence that has been discovered further backs up this given fact.
Wicca is modern, but it is based upon the old belief systems. Bringing back the old. To better ourselves and those around us. What is so evil about that?

Then you go on to not only insult my personal spiritual choice, but attack another.
The next attack was on Satanism.
I am not a Satanist, and I do not follow this religion. However, I am openminded enough to not bash on it and actually have an understanding of what it is.
You may want to read this: www.newageinfo.com...

Maybe it will help you understand that religion does not define WHO you are.

You then say yourself, that Christianity is intolerent of all faiths. But doesnt that go againt your own Bible?
You have created a contradiction. And several at that.

You also go on to talk about "Pan". Not all Wiccans worship Pan. And I strongly doubt that all Satanists do. But I will not speak out too too much upon their behalf, because I do not want to give false information.
In either way, Pan is not the "pervert" you made him out to be.

There are quite a few explicit things in the bible, and Im sure that you can name a few. We are talking back thousands of years. The times have changed. You need to remember that.

And now, I am going to open your eyes a bit. I am not going to bash upon your religion, but I feel that you should know their ARE faults in it. Since you so closemindedly said otherwise.

- Jesus has not returned.
I would think by now this "Rapture" would happen.

-The God that you so wholeheartedly follow has done nothing For you. Only TO you.
He has lied.
Cheated.
And been selfish.
Murdered.
Everything.

For we are "in the image of him", so he must be very sinful.
But your retaliation will be "Satan".
why would a loving God have created Satan in the first place? He is all knowing, so why make it happen?
"To create free will"
If we are in the image of God, wouldnt we already HAVE freewill?

He gives no choices.
Choose him or Die.
A little closeminded.
If you dont want to praise him forever in heaven, you have to burn in hell forever.
That is a bit dramatic.

But, I will not insult your religion if you can restrain from doing so to others.
Clean out your own house before you attack my own.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Lucifer is also the root for Luke. I know this already. We know that in all ancient religions, all had the concept of a singular evil entity that opposed the Great Spirit (not only called that by Native Americans, but other ancient religions as well).

A list of the great spirit in ancient religions

Flat Iron, an Oglala Sioux Chief said, "From Wakan Tanka, the Great Mystery, comes all power. It is from Wakan Tanka that the holy man has wisdom and the power to heal and make holy charms. Man knows that all healing plants are given by Wakan Tanka, therefore they are holy. So too is the buffalo holy, because it is the gift of Wakan Tanka."[4]

Zoroastrianism was founded by Zarathushtra (Zoroaster) in Persia which followed an aboriginal polytheistic religion at the time. He preached what may have been the first monotheism with a single supreme god, Ahura Mazda. Zoroastrians belief in the dualism of good and evil as either a cosmic one between Ahura Mazda and an evil spirit of violence and death, Angra Mainyu, or as an ethical dualism within the human consciousness. The Zoroastrian holy book is called the Avesta which includes the teachings of Zarathushtra written in a series of five hymns called the Gathas. They are abstract sacred poetry directed towards the worship of the One God, understanding of righteousness and cosmic order, promotion of social justice, and individual choice between good and evil. The rest of the Avesta was written at a later date and deals with rituals, practice of worship, and other traditions of the faith. Zoroastrians worship through prayers and symbolic ceremonies that are conducted before a sacred fire which symbolizes their God. They dedicate their lives to a three-fold path represented by their motto: "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds." The faith does not generally accept converts but this is disputed by some members.

All through the Bronze Age, the Chinese worshiped many different gods and spirits. One important deity was Ti or the 'deity above'. Ti was attributed with the power to punish offenders and reward those who appeased him. The Chinese pantheon then comprised spirit gods that represented the elements of nature, two gods of the earth, ancestors, nobility, priests, intermediaries or augurs and the yin and the yang. It was from this base that the ideologies of Taoism and Confucianism developed in isolation. Their intellectual standpoint and spiritual elements have resulted in followers beyond the geographical boundaries of China.

Now the evil one in ancient religions

Buddhism The Buddhist concept of the devil is called Mara, the head of the heavenly demons and the Sense Desire realm. Buddhists believe that Siddhartha (later, the Buddha) was tempted by Mara before enlightenment, but he could not be swayed from his path. Mara symbolizes desire and everything that hinders humans from proceeding along the right path.

However, this leaves Wiccans and other polytheists in a problematic position, theologically, morally and personally, when it comes to dealing with the harsher side of life represented by those deities. We may not consider their domains to be evil as such, but neither do we consider them to be exactly desirable. We may pay homage to Hades, Arawn or Erishkegal at Samhain, but we are not in a hurry to visit their realms ourselves, and we tend to take as dim a view of sending others there prematurely in the form of murder, as do other religions. But what theological grounds do we have for making that judgement? If death is as sacred as life, how can it be wrong to kill?

Balor – the Celtic demon king Balor is the demonic God of Death in Celtic mythology. Sporting one eye and a single gigantic leg, the evil creature was King of the Fomori, demons who lived in the dark depths of lakes and seas. Balor can kill someone just by staring at them with his evil eye, so he kept it closed most of the time, so as not to constantly be tripping over dead bodies. The God of Death would provide his Fomori with victims, but the evil race was left to their own devices when Balor was killed by his son Lug, who shot him with a slingshot. Now the Fomori have returned to their waters and transformed into sea monsters who prey on humans.

So in the interest of space, ancient Wiccans did believe in an evil entity.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


Be careful there... the Dead Sea Scrolls say a lot of things that most Christians in positions of power do not want public. There are many scrolls from caves 1,3,4 and 7 that remain out of public scrutiny for some reason that the Church has deemed sensitive. Controlling truth is not good in my books for any reason, especially one so powerful as a world religion. There are some leaked quotes that claim that Christ did not want an organized religious body like the Church in the first place....he simply wanted his ministry.

Originally posted by wyrdwolf77
Okay.
Seeing a thread like this really upset me.
I don't care what religion you are. It gives you no right to bash upon others for what they believe in. Honestly. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wiccans DO NOT believe in Satan. That is a point in itself.

Balor – the Celtic demon king Balor is the demonic God of Death in Celtic mythology. Sporting one eye and a single gigantic leg, the evil creature was King of the Fomori, demons who lived in the dark depths of lakes and seas. Balor can kill someone just by staring at them with his evil eye, so he kept it closed most of the time, so as not to constantly be tripping over dead bodies. The God of Death would provide his Fomori with victims, but the evil race was left to their own devices when Balor was killed by his son Lug, who shot him with a slingshot. Now the Fomori have returned to their waters and transformed into sea monsters who prey on humans.

He was called Balor, just another name for Satan, and worshiped by the Celts, the parents of modern Wicca.

reply to post by WarminIndy


Not all Wiccans believe in that God.
It varies upon the person. And what say you about the rest of my post? Your god is not too much better.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Those who talk to so-called ascended masters or their spirit guides are ALL under the throne of Satan.

What Garbage!!!!

If you want to believe that - fine - - who be me to keep you from being personally responsible for your own actions and thoughts.

Nothing like a "fall guy" for a good excuse. Oh - and a reward at the end too.

Can't have integrity - - just because.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

I don't know if Wiccans can call up the dead, but I do know that they cast spells. If there is no danger in such practices then why is God against it?

God didn't write the bible, so what makes you think he is against it?

Considering the number of times witchcraft/sorcery/wizardry etc etc actually shows up in the bible..... and in each case it gives no explanation of why "God" hates such things.... I would say it was simply fear of the unknown in said examples.

Jesus said nothing of the sort, and considering "christians" are supposed to follow him... Judging these people for their beliefs is very "unchristian"

So in other words your saying it's false? Yes or No? And show me one book on earth that has not been written by men. No matter what belief a person follows, those beliefs most likely came from the writings of other men also so that proves nothings. The question is was it really inspired by God?

That is up to you to decide... why are you listening to what i tell you?

Im happy to give you my opinion... The only inspired writing in the bible is those that speak of Jesus and his example he left us... The rest can be tossed out the window in MY opinion...

He did not say anything like what the OP is selling... Though if you agree with what he says that is your judgement...

If you take the entire bible as "Gods word" that is your issue... but remember

The blind should not lead the blind...

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If you believe the example He left us, then you should also agree when He said this:

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Are you saying that the Wiccans believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? That would be blasphemy according to them.

Your right, the blind can never lead the blind, other wise both will fall into the ditch.

Belief in him means nothing if you don't believe the things he taught... Belief in a name holds no truth unless you believe what that name stood for... or as he said:

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.



One can say i believe in Jesus, but then steal from his neighbour, or cause harm to others...

I don't think you'll find a single true wiccan that would deny the works Jesus did were pure... Many of them follow the light...

Read on in that chapter and you'll find this...

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So again, belief in a Name means nothing if you don't also believe in the work of that person... And wiccans do believe in his example

Then I guess when He said that: "because he(or she) has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." He must have been lieing? Moreover why does He say this if His Name had no importance?

And why does He command this?:

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, Matt. 28:19

What name was He referring to? Or is this a corrupt verse?

I'll finish this up later, gotta an appointment to go to.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

You asked what defines a good witch and I replied that its the same what defines any good person, we are all the same no matter what Religion you follow.
We can only try to be more good than not eh?

If a wicca leads a good life isnt that enough? if they help people everyday?

You cant define someone being bad by what Religion they follow, Satan would be sure angry if a good witch only tried to do good and God would be happy that a person has done good no matter what.

I would agree. The very word "witch" means, "one who is wise," so is a wise woman came to you and helped you in some way, you could say she was a good witch. The Divine Force is neither good or evil, but both, together, and all encompassing. Evil is in the heart of the practitioner, not the Magick.

Originally posted by WarminIndy
He was called Balor, just another name for Satan, and worshiped by the Celts, the parents of modern Wicca.

Really? And who exactly determined he was Satan? Some good Christian - no doubt. Wicca does have a very wide range spectrum.

However: "The Wiccan Rede is the rule governing Wiccan behavior. It permits Wiccans to engage in any carefully considered action, as long as it harms nobody, including themselves. The Rede is reinforced by the Threefold Law. This is the belief that any harm or good that a Wiccan does to someone else comes back to hurt or benefit them -- magnified three times over."

Hardly negative (or evil)

www.religioustolerance.org...