NKorean Prison Camp Survivor: Starving Women Cooked & Ate Their Own Children

reply to post by blupblup

it's more the crap about mothers eating their babies. THAT is what people are calling propaganda.

I am confident to say that nobody on ATS knows whether it is propaganda or truth. But one thing is for certain, it would be nothing unusual under such conditions. History is full of infanticide:

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Vitchilo


You're right, we could wipe them out in just a little while.

On the other hand, North Korea has a psychotic tendency to go after South Korea when we do. To boot, and the real reason that we don't go after them IMHO, is that NK is tight with the Chinese.

Regardless of whether these stories are true or not, I don't see why people find the concept of a starving mother eating her own child so hard to believe.

If both the mother and child are going to starve to death anyway, then it makes sense for the mother to give herself an outside chance of survival by eating her child, and, in the process, putting an end to her child's suffering.

While some of us may not be able to - or want to - fathom such a possibility from our comfortable and well-nourished position, I certainly wouldn't blame a mother for doing this under such extreme circumstances.

reply to post by Maslo



It's not the killing of kids.. I'm well aware that happens, It's the fact that mothers are killing their kids and eating them... that is what I find to be odd and I don't believe it.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
What pisses me off are stories like this.

All those people who want Bush arrested for war crimes, for the destruction of the US and UK, hatred of the west, all those who claim the moral high ground, yet remain silent on issues like this.

Ah but you forget that everything that is portrayed in and by the west is a total lie. This means NK is a total lie, The only truth is that told by dictators............

So there is nothing in NK to be concerned about!

Originally posted by Maslo

Originally posted by Expat888
yaaawwn.. more propaganda by america..
looks like they setting plan b in place go after n.korea just in case they dont get their way with invading iran..

So what? North Korea is a hellhole anyway, a dictatorship with no legitimacy oppressing their own people. I wouldnt care one bit if anyone brings them down.

its their country.. It should be them to make the change and get rid of the regime..
But alas the u.s drooling at the thought of another war and installing yet another puppet government to serve the corrupt old bastards in dizzy city.. Just what the n.koreans need change one oppressor for another..

reply to post by Expat888

its their country.. It should be them to make the change and get rid of the regime..

I disagree with this train of thought. I believe it is our moral duty to interfere, if we can pull it off. (Whether we can is another question tough, with those nukes and chemical weapons pointed at South Korea.)

Originally posted by Xcathdra
All those people who want Bush arrested for war crimes, for the destruction of the US and UK, hatred of the west, all those who claim the moral high ground, yet remain silent on issues like this.

Do you not see that hostile American foreign policy forces countries like North Korea into isolation? North Korea is on the 21st century invasion list; they know this, hence why they have a WMD program and also why they live in a police state. If they had less control over their population, then they risk uprisings funded by the West and armed by the CIA- only to end up "liberated" into a slave production state for Western empires.

The situation in North Korea is beyond the point of no return and there is no liberty there, but you must be extremely naive to believe that their regime just popped up out of nowhere and tookover. The situation in North Korea is a direct defensive posture against foreign aggravation.

The best solution that I can see is unification of both Koreas. Both Koreas want it, and Koreans themselves don't refer to each other by "North" or "South". The division is there because of ideological proxy warfare, between China/Russia and the US. This is how modern imperialism works, by trying to prop up proxy regimes who will buy your exports (in this case, weaponry).

The imperial sides, especially including the US, do not want to see unification of Korea. You do know that the US has a free trade agreement with South Korea, right? Free trade agreement = investor's rights agreement. What this means is that American corporations have protection against the South Korean government, allowing them to take over South Korean assets and so South Korea becomes an important American asset. The Americans want the same done to North Korea through force before they will ever allow peaceful nationalist reunification which would threaten the FTA with ROK.

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As for the OP's article, I'm skeptical about a few things. First off, it states that she wears sunglasses all the time so she can't be identified. It also states that she's given interviews to the mainstream media. I'm pretty sure that if your going to present yourself as such a big target, then maybe you'll try to hide your face a bit better than with sunglasses.

And ultimately, where is the proof of her allegations? I realize that it is not easy to take a camera into a DPRK prison camp (and they do exist), but throwing such claims around the media only looks to me like propaganda without hard evidence.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Do you not see that hostile American foreign policy forces countries like North Korea into isolation? North Korea is on the 21st century invasion list; they know this, hence why they have a WMD program and also why they live in a police state. If they had less control over their population, then they risk uprisings funded by the West and armed by the CIA- only to end up "liberated" into a slave production state for Western empires. The situation in North Korea is beyond the point of no return and there is no liberty there, but you must be extremely naive to believe that their regime just popped up out of nowhere and tookover. The situation in North Korea is a direct defensive posture against foreign aggravation.

Of course, North Korea is like this because of the West. It is not like they are still in war with South Korea. It is not because of another distorted attempt to build Communism. No.
Tell me,why they do not allow people to leave the state? Because it will go poof the second they open the borders. North Koreans will run to eeeevil West that is so scary to North Korea. Or maybe it is scary only to North Korean elites who can rule only as long as they keep they slaves under control. Defensive posture is to defend the rear parts of North Korean leaders. Not people. This is usually called "national interests". Cause the leaders are the nation, rest are merely dust.
And regime popped up from the same ideology that gave birth to other regime where mothers ate children.
Ask comrade Stalin and co.
Those regimes care not about people but about about some failed ideology that with time warps into elites holding to power. West at fault?
And mothers can eat children.
en.wikipedia.org...
This world is not roses and frankly i would not judge those people, we are not in their boots and there is God for that.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Those regimes care not about people but about about some failed ideology that with time warps into elites holding to power. West at fault?

Ideologies, regardless of how obsolete they are, always have people in mind.

Communism needs people for maintaining a self-sustaining state.

Capitalism needs people to exploit their labour for profit.

You can't just say that North Korea is some evil communist country that needs to be liberated. That is the typical, and quite pathetic, Western view.

North Korea's government is extremely nationalist, and I would definitely say that it has evolved over the years from Maoism to some entirely new and extremely authoritarian form.

But really, how could this regime have fortified its position over the years to what it is today? Getting your answers from Western media isn't going to reveal the whole picture. The corporate-capitalist forces of the West are out to dominate the world through their version of globalization.

I don't know what it's like to be an American looking at pictures of McDonald's in Baghdad, nor do I know what it is like to be a leader of a sovereign nation beaten, executed and drug around behind a truck by terrorists. This is what happens to nations that are not alligned with the West. This is why North Korea doesn't open up, and this is why the North Korean people don't rise up over their regime.

I think it is Propaganda as well.
Same as the propaganda we had about Iraq.

What I want to know is, where is the country that is going to come liberate us from the cockroaches running this country and those in bed with them?
Who is going to come free our prisoners where we have the highest prison population in the world.
Who is going to come free us from the police state we find growing every day via TSA, Patriot Act, Checkpoints etc.
Who is going to free us from the criminals that should be facing a Nuremberg like trial in our government for all the wars and destruction they have caused throughout the world?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Since they didn't even did this in Leningrad... (yet some unearthed corpses to eat them) I doubt this is true.

I think it's propaganda.

Still, those camps are indeed horrible and most inmates in there end up dying.

Remember when the allies didn't bomb the concentration camps? Well this is the same thing.

The world should say ENOUGH to NKorea... release those prisoners or else. Bomb these camps. If little Kim doesn't like it, BOMB HIM (only his palace).

The NKorean air force is a joke anyway, it would be wiped out in less than an hour. Really.

edit on 21-10-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

But really, how could this regime have fortified its position over the years to what it is today? Getting your answers from Western media isn't going to reveal the whole picture. The corporate-capitalist forces of the West are out to dominate the world through their version of globalization. I don't know what it's like to be an American looking at pictures of McDonald's in Baghdad, nor do I know what it is like to be a leader of a sovereign nation beaten, executed and drug around behind a truck by terrorists. This is what happens to nations that are not alligned with the West. This is why North Korea doesn't open up, and this is why the North Korean people don't rise up over their regime.

Leaders of North Korea used good old fear thingy to "fortify" their positions. And nations do not align with West or East. Leaders/politicians do. East Germany was aligned with ,like, East? And East Germans, you know - the most important part of nation - were fleeing to West Germany.
Nation - which is people of North Korea - could not care less what they are aligned with, as long as they would eat as people and not life stock. And as for uprising - again, it is like early Soviet Union. What can people there do if nobody hears them?
"Nation" as leaders who know what nation as people will do to them of course would not like to be aligned with West. Fear is such a good tool for keeping control over population, after all. What will happen to average North Korean if the leaders will dissapear? Worse thing that you can suggest is Mcdonalds?? I think it will be very popular.
Frankly i would rather Juche guys be in the fridge and not Qaddafi. But West is not angels, there is issue of nukes,oil and illegal immigrants.
But West is not to blame for what happens in North Korea. "Nation" wants to live so nation must suffer.

Is it really that hard to believe?? Is it really ?? Look at these people and tell me they are not living in hell on earth..
www.telegraph.co.uk...


Prison camps exist and are harsh..
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by MitchL61


Our government is very evil. It is made up of people who are out of touch of reality and some of them see the average and poor American as useless eaters. Of course they don't care about human rights like us normal people. When I say government, I am talking about the ones on top, the elite. They are just pure evil.

reply to post by MitchL61

OMG, I am horrified by this. That is so sad and wrong how the living conditions these people are in. The government in North Korea are just sick.

Again, many great comments. However, for those thinking this is just propaganda, and couldn't possibly be true, I would say your living in a dream world. I don't think any of us know how we react under this situation. It's easy for us to just sit back and say we would never do such a thing. I recommend you read a book called "The Lucifer Effect" written by Dr. Phillip Zimbardo. In it, he talks about the Stanford University Prison Experiment as well as other human behavioral studies that show how under certain circumstances people can do very immoral things due to peer pressure and other factors. What made the people of Nazi Germany participate, or stand idly by, while Jews were systematically rounded up and exterminated?

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
And nations do not align with West or East. Leaders/politicians do. East Germany was aligned with ,like, East? And East Germans, you know - the most important part of nation - were fleeing to West Germany.

And after Germany reunified, former East-Germans wanted the old system back. So what is your point?

You're acting like there is only one social-political-economic formula that works. Capitalism does not work as is proven by modern times. It is a hierarchy of money and in terms of nations that evolve to finance capital state, imperialism on the global stage.

Not everybody wants to be slaves to money, not everybody wants to live in class-states. Some people in the world still resist it and I stand by anyone willing to stand up to those who believe they own us all because their wallets are bigger. North Korea is no exception.

That place is seriously worse than Nazi Germany.
No matter what you read about it, it horrifies you.

We need to save the North Koreans from themselves! We do, we do, we do! Let the love bombing begin....

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Not everybody wants to be slaves to money, not everybody wants to live in class-states. Some people in the world still resist it and I stand by anyone willing to stand up to those who believe they own us all because their wallets are bigger. North Korea is no exception.

You are just blinded by your ideology, IMHO. Because you consider one thing wrong, does not make another wrong all right.

North Korea is not communist utopia, nor is it class-less. It is a wicked dictatorship abusing the people horribly. If you are willing to stand by this, then I am disgusted.