PLEASE tell me this is only the Moon and not something else!

www.youtube.com...

At the end of this one is the same thing, I think they launch weather balloons from the top of the platform at dawn

All kinds of theories out there as to why this "object" isn't trackable during the day. One points towards the onset of chemtrails which are being dispursed into the atmosphere to hide this object from view as it's most visable during sunset/sunrise... aerosols obscuring it's presence during those times, etc etc

Just for fun, here are some clippings from the 80's after the launch of IRAS. This is certainly not a new topic.
Has it taken whatever object this may be, 28 years to travel 50 Billion miles?










Images from: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Also, someone mentioned the movie MELANCHOLIA ...I had a chance to see this the other day and it is very very creepy. The whole thing from beginnng to end has a very Kubrickian vibe to it. Un-nerving and tense. I hghly recommend it. (it's floating around out there if ya know what I mean.. no pun intended LOL)

Wish i could book a weekend at Neumayer. How cool would that be!

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Originally posted by redzareptile
It looks like some sort of celestial body to me. I am no expert for sure. I could be space junk?

Somebody wake up Phage!!

Wasnt jupiter close to the moon this last week? Could be jupiter

edit on 19-10-2011 by AllUrChips because: (no reason given)

definitely jupiter

reply to post by HIWATT


It's only viewable for the first few minutes of sunrise, after that the sun's light blinds it out.
For those of you claiming the second sun is lens flare, balloons, etc, just wait until you see it yourself with your own eyes. It will change your life.
We saw the two suns rise just over the border in Croatia from Hungary on August 1st at Dawn. I have tried repeatedly to film it since returning home but there is nowhere near me where I can see the horizon - my area is all hills and forests.
One thing I've alsoi noticed from the Asian photos and films is that the second sun is on the opposite side to the one seen in Europe. The second sun is approximately 80 - 90% the size of ours (at least it appears that way).
I know the saying PODH but we were just so stunned i didn't even get my mobile out my pocket (my camera was packed in the boot (trunk) of the car. It only lasts a couple of minutes so make sure you're prepared if you want to film it.

reply to post by my3911

I look forward to your analysis.

I assume that you already know that the huge silvery ring is a "sun dog." The white dot is a defective sensor in the webcam's CCD.

en.wikipedia.org...
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The black dot in this photo is caused by the CCD sensors overloading and essentially going "offline." This has been seen countless times on these threads.





As has been pointed out, this small ring shaped thing cannot be a solid body in space. If it were spherical, the lit side would be turned towards the Sun, not away. Most likely this is a drop of water that froze on to the plexiglass webcam housing. Viewed from the camera's perspective, this half-sphere of ice would appear to be concave, explaining the orientation of the light and dark portions. If you e-mail the station and ask them to have someone clean the schmutz off the webcam cover, this anomaly will probably go away.



Someone is just messing with your head here. Solarization extracts no new usable information; it just looks weird.



Any further questions?

reply to post by Aestheteka

One thing I've alsoi noticed from the Asian photos and films is that the second sun is on the opposite side to the one seen in Europe.

Try to think about this above statement, and use some logic. Might help if you draw an illustration, to better visualize it.

Even if there were a "second sun" out there....it would look exactly the same no matter where you are on Earth, in terms of its relationship to our Sun, and the relative positions.


Now, as to your eyewitness accounts, what you are describing occurs because of the lensing effect of Earth's atmosphere.

You say you see it only at sunrise? You are seeing the Sun through many, many miles of air....because of that thickness, the atmosphere acts like a lens, and produces the double image. It is extremely rare, and requires just the right conditions of stability and inversion layers in the atmosphere, in order for the effect to be visible.


If it helps, you can also think of it as a mirage.

An artificial mirage, using sugar solutions to simulate the inversion layers. A cat is seen looking through a glass, which has three layers of solution, with decreasing refractive index from bottom to top. The cat appears in multiple images. This simulates an atmosphere with two inversion layers.

The fact that it appears to be transparent should tell you something.

reply to post by ProudBird


Man, I have spent my entire life investigating various phenomena around the world.
I, and my wife, a clinical psychologist, saw 2 suns. No sun dogs, no lens flare, no hot pixels or whatever, 2 suns.
Beautiful and stunning.
I also have a pretty damned good theory as to why we're seeing them.
It's like UFOs, if you haven't seen one you can make up any theory you like about why it isn't but when you DO see one it changes something in you. Same goes with any extraordinary phenomenon unaccepted by post-Victorian materialistic science.
You can tell me ad infinitum and wear out your armchair doing so.
I'm a skeptic - I don't believe anything until I've either proven or disproven it to myself. And you wouldn't believe the lengths I go to to do just that.
The two suns fit nicely with a plethora of recent phenomena and there are a couple of plausible theories (one I prefer more than the other) but as I'm a professional author and writer I prefer to put my ideas down on paper and get them copyrighted (copywritten) in print rather than whack them out on a forum.

reply to post by Aestheteka

I, and my wife, a clinical psychologist, saw 2 suns.

But, didn't you say only saw the "second" sun when it was low on the horizon?

Did you not consider the mirage explanation?

Does it not seem odd that you two claim to have seen this, yet there are no news headlines, no tweets, no personal blogs, no huge outcry of shock and awe from the billions of other people in the World?

Originally posted by Aestheteka
The two suns fit nicely with a plethora of recent phenomena

Wouldn't we all be feeling far greater "phenomena" if there were in fact a second sun? I mean, faaaaaaaaaaaaar greater?

reply to post by ProudBird


No. I don't find it strange at all.
There are thousands of UFO reports globally but unless an entire city happens to be looking up at the time they don't make the news. People often see ghosts, which would suggest that there IS an afterlife, yet these never make the news. It is highly unlikely that billions of people are up at 5 in the morning watching the sun rise directly on the horizon and the ones who DO report this on Twitter (which I have an account for but have never used), Youtube etc are jumped on by others who DIDN'T see it and told that they saw a mirage or that they're delsuional.
PODH. What a pile of crock! We've only had mobiles (cell phones) with camera capabilities for a few short years out of the 180ky of HSS' existence and prior to that we managed to rely on witness testimony.and 'artistic renderings'.
I understand how you feel. You really want to experience something too but you haven't yet. Take my advice and go out every morning at dawn (well, prior to dawn), to a point where you will have an uninterrupted field of view of the horizon.
However, I also have the feeling that this phenomenon only occurs during another event (which does happen quite frequently) but I on't have enough data to support that. I'm really not in a good location to track this phenomenon currently and it's been frustrating the hell out of me for the past 3 months but I also have other more pressing projects and I think that shortly we won't need dawn and a horizon to see it.
I know how to debunk, i used to do it when people asked me to check if their home was haunted. 99% of the time I can debunk such a phenomenon over the phone with a few short questions.
There ARE 2 suns, but not all the time. That bit is important. Very important.
I'd also suggest you invest in a pair of eclipse glasses. They should rule out any extraneous mirages, flares, etc.

You're a clever bloke. Take a neutral seat for the moment and accept that there is a Schroedinger's Cat possibility that there are two suns and there aren't two suns, with no bias on your part either way. Now try and theorize on the possibility that there ARE (you've done the other bit quite well already). Think of the various reasons why there could be (and no it's not Nemesis or Elenin, etc). Have a look at some of the more obscure NASA press releases over the last 18 months and try not to get distracted by looking for a direct explanation (brown dwarfs, etc).
You've already mentioned what you think it could be (I won't repeat it as it will give the game away and the fun is in the investigation, not the solution) - now look for news releases, not necessarily from NASA, which are of a similar vein to that from around the world.
I'll give you a clue - or at least one part of the jigsaw - the mass animal deaths earlier this year. They fit in with the theory. Look at the species which were affected. They all have something in common.
But you'll find the biggest clue in another direction entirely.
Forgive my evasions but you will be exceptionally pleased with yourself if you work out your own plausible theory.
Like it says in my signature....

reply to post by Aestheteka


No offense intended, but the increasing frequency of posters suggesting theories and then prodding others to figure it out themselves instead of giving their own explanations is a major cop-out.

I think you raise some interesting questions and points, but would like to see where you're coming from and where you're going, so to speak, with your second sun theory. Instead of clues, how about you just tell us?

Take a neutral seat for the moment and accept that there is a Schroedinger's Cat possibility that there are two suns and there aren't two suns, with no bias on your part either way. Now try and theorize on the possibility that there ARE (you've done the other bit quite well already). Think of the various reasons why there could be (and no it's not Nemesis or Elenin, etc). Have a look at some of the more obscure NASA press releases over the last 18 months and try not to get distracted by looking for a direct explanation (brown dwarfs, etc). You've already mentioned what you think it could be (I won't repeat it as it will give the game away and the fun is in the investigation, not the solution) - now look for news releases, not necessarily from NASA, which are of a similar vein to that from around the world. I'll give you a clue - or at least one part of the jigsaw - the mass animal deaths earlier this year. They fit in with the theory. Look at the species which were affected. They all have something in common. But you'll find the biggest clue in another direction entirely. Forgive my evasions but you will be exceptionally pleased with yourself if you work out your own plausible theory.

reply to post by Aestheteka


Raises her hand while jumping up and down screaming... "I WANNA KNOW" ..hahaha....I really do want to know what you know. HA! I want to know your thoughts regarding the theory you have formed thinking there is possibly two suns. Here one minute gone the next? That would be really cool. Why do you think this is a plausible theory. If nothing else...u2u me. (Pretty please )

I love investigating and researching so if you just tell me where to start...I will begin there and if it creates a snowball of information I will be grateful.

reply to post by Aestheteka


Betelgeuse? Supernova? U2U me?

reply to post by MamaJ


Damn. I started typing it out then...
Give me the weekend to prepare a short video and I should be able to present a fairly plausible theory.
However, before then, how about slapping around YOUR ideas.
Trust me on this one, NASA's been prepping us for this eventuality for a while now but like the good magician they are they've kept us looking at the wrong hand (several wrog hands, in fact).

I will give one last clue though. For those of you familiar with paranormal investigation, one's batteries often drain when something attempts to appear. Now think about a REALLY big battery....

i do find it funny how easy people jump to conclusions when something like this, outside their knowledge box, appears.

"that side should be brighter so its lens flair."

i dont really care what it is, what i care about and the main reason i come to ATS is to see how people react when such pictures come up. No person is god or have all knowing powers, so for people to say that it is not a planet or whatever simply because you do not understand part of it or all of it is very foolish. The most people can do it is to say what they believe it is, which then you cannot argue as it is their belief. To properly have any discussion is to post all possibilities and then post all the reason why it could be that possibility. There should never be the i am right and you are wrong debate for we cannot fully understand with all our senses and technology what is truly there.

if somebody mentions to you that there is a giant pink elephant in space that no one could see or detect then all you can do is to take note and keep it moving, for in time it will be revealed you weather the elephant affects you in your life or not, if it does not then nothing, if it does then you go on from there.

reply to post by Aestheteka


Hmmmmm....so as the Sun passes away another is forming and lurking awaiting to take its place? That is what I got from the last clue..

When you speak of Nasa....I can think off the top of my head how they have been preparing us for the notion of other planets having two suns.....is that it?

Here is a story from Time. It was created in 2004 and it speaks of the Earth possibly having two suns by 2012...

newsfeed.time.com...

Originally posted by Aestheteka
reply to post by HIWATT

 

It's only viewable for the first few minutes of sunrise, after that the sun's light blinds it out.
For those of you claiming the second sun is lens flare, balloons, etc, just wait until you see it yourself with your own eyes. It will change your life.
We saw the two suns rise just over the border in Croatia from Hungary on August 1st at Dawn. I have tried repeatedly to film it since returning home but there is nowhere near me where I can see the horizon - my area is all hills and forests.
One thing I've alsoi noticed from the Asian photos and films is that the second sun is on the opposite side to the one seen in Europe. The second sun is approximately 80 - 90% the size of ours (at least it appears that way).
I know the saying PODH but we were just so stunned i didn't even get my mobile out my pocket (my camera was packed in the boot (trunk) of the car. It only lasts a couple of minutes so make sure you're prepared if you want to film it.

Atmospheric conditions are known to cause reflection of bright sources and make mirage effects. seeing these things are wondrous new and spectacular and do effect us as they are rare, but as our atmosphere is increasingly messed up they are sure to become more common.

Do you really think there are two suns now? Why don't you always see it..why does it not put out additional heat? Why does it not effect our sun moon and planets orbits?

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by Aestheteka

 

Hmmmmm....so as the Sun passes away another is forming and lurking awaiting to take its place? That is what I got from the last clue..

When you speak of Nasa....I can think off the top of my head how they have been preparing us for the notion of other planets having two suns.....is that it?

Here is a story from Time. It was created in 2004 and it speaks of the Earth possibly having two suns by 2012...

newsfeed.time.com...

edit on 20-10-2011 by MamaJ because: (no reason given)

I think he meant the second sun is a really big ghost

Only thing I noticed, like six months ago, was that the sun seemed to be rising like 2 hours early but only a couple mornings a week. The sun also just looks different to me, less yellow more white light. I posted something about it, got yelled at. Anyway, I definitely notice the changes in the enviornment, the energy in general, the accelerated time... I'm sure it all adds up to something if you're of the individuals who actually believe there are two suns. All I really know is what I know as fact today will change tomorrow.

I know it's an amateur question (writing books is more my thing) but how do I capture a screen shot of a web page so that I may put it in a video?