Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

Originally posted by spw184

im 50/50 on PC, I like some of it, but others (like the whole "Christmas" ordeal) is insane.

Well - - you should have lived in the 50s - - where in public school you didn't dare speak up - - if you were anything but Christian. (if your neighborhood was Christian). And you neighborhood could be white Christians before the fair housing act.

Oh the - - not allowing Christians to monopolize is totally fair and necessary. But that's a different subject.

reply to post by I Want To Believe

Homosexuality is a choice and it's your choice to make and I dont begrude anyone the freedom of choice. In fact if you want to go out and cut off your penis and balls and get a vagina instead I have no problem with that. Its your choice to make but it is a futile action as it accomplishes nothing tword the goal in mind.

I don't think homosexuality is a choice. Who would choose that? Being gay is not an easy thing from my understanding. Coming out and possibly disappointing parents, family, friends, etc. would be a very hard and brave thing to do. Living in a society where you are not always accepted is a hard thing to do.

I actually have a problem with people getting gender reassignment surgery. I guess I just don't understand it yet but it seems really sad to me. Like a black guy wanting to be white or something. I do think it accomplishes a goal though. The goal is to be that other gender, the one a person identifies with. I don't get it, and frankly it makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps I will learn to understand it as I learned to understand gay people are not monsters prone to sexual deviance. The latter took me 20 years or so to get.

Originally posted by Domo1
I think that too often parents want to pretend their precious little someone is suffering from some sort of malady rather than take blame, and then dose their children. I also think a number of doctors would rather hand out the drug, get the extra bills for seeing the children/placate the parents so they don't go elsewhere. The drugs themselves don't cause ADHD though, and I don't think the schools are generally complicit in the drugging of our youth. They point out the problem, parents can't accept blame, doctor doesn't want to lose clients, kid gets drugs for no reason.

I have a lot to say on this - - but don't want to get off topic.

My daughter was diagnosed back in 1968 - - before it was "fashionable" and when it was rare for a girl.

She had zero attention span on a one to one. The teacher had to squeeze her hands when talking to her to get her to focus.

But I was very very very fortunate in my doctor and school. An experimental program in CA was placed in one grade school - one middle school - and one high school. Her grade school was the one chosen.

reply to post by spw184


Many of us are down right rigid in conservative thoughts. Some are offended by the fact that we're grouped together. As I said, I have no issue with it, but some in our little group do. We're people just like everyone else, diverse.

reply to post by spw184


There goes another one. A smaller group of crossdressers are masculine and manly men, when not presenting as a woman. They wish to be treated as female not because they are transgendered, but because they want to gain a different perspective and experience in life, or they may simply enjoy the clothing choices, in which case they do not wish to be treated as a woman. They're strictly emulators, for whatever reason. Social conditioning could have kept them from admitting they're transgendered. They're probably the easiest of our little group to offend, because it can be difficult to know what their wishes truly are without asking directly.

These are what you would call a "drag queen". More people that identify themselves as crossdressers fit into that description than anyone else. Most transgendered people separate themselves from crossdressers clearly, and will not consider anyone more than a cross dresser, unless they present as female at all times.

reply to post by I Want To Believe


So you're saying that if you're currently obese, and you go to the gym and change your body, that nothing has changed? What about if you have a big nose, and you get a nose job? Nothing has changed? How about when a woman goes through menopause, and starts taking hormones of her own? Nothing has changed? How about if you go see a psychiatrist, and he prescribes you meds to alter the chemical makeup in your brain? Nothing changed? There must be a lot of pissed off people with bi-polar that are holding it in very well! Life is about changing and bettering yourself! Both physically and mentally. Who says that fixing this problem the best way that we can doesn't change anything? It changes EVERYTHING!

Who's goal? How do you know what my goal is?

My "maker" gave me exactly what he wanted me to have. The body of a man, the mind of a woman, and the spirit to deal with the world's stupidity.

To quote my favorite comedian, "What's the use in having a divine plan if every schmuck with a 2$ prayer book can screw up the plan?!"- George Carlin

If you are religious, then where does his divine plan stop, and human intervention begin? If he didn't want some of us to be unique, then why bother making us unique to begin with?

Im going to offend a ton of people, but I cant get this out of my head while reading this thread:

reply to post by spw184


Tim Curry has always claimed that he's not transgendered in the slightest but the quality of that performance still casts doubt in the eyes of many. Regardless, he's an awesome actor and that was probably his best role.

that child is a human being, how dare you refer to the child as IT.....that is just so insulting...

Originally posted by UnrelentingLurker
kids going to change its mind few years down the road like all kids do about everything.

guess who it will blame? parents.

guess who it will sue? parents / doctor

reply to post by n00bUK


Totally agree with you Noobuk. Gay, straight, transgendered whatever people may be I think each and every person is different and were raised differently so for me its wrong to camp all gay people into one group and it is wrong to put straight people into one group. Some are good some are bad, just the way it is. We are all just to diverse. I do not think though that at 11 this kid knows what is right and wrong and maybe it has to do with the way his mothers see the world or have raised him to see it? But then we wouldn't know because we don't really know them personally enough to make a call. Just my random thoughts.

reply to post by Faitheliza
AMEN Faitheliza! as a transgender i thank you, people shouldnt judge or stereotype without knowing the details, i was repressed as a transgender from 8yrs old, at 24 i started transition, trust me i missed out on a childhood i would have loved to have but had to live a lie, it is HELL!

reply to post by Faitheliza


AMEN TO THAT faitheliza, people shouldnt judge a book by its cover! i was repressed as a transgender since 8yrs old, had to live a lie till i was 24yrs old, it was hell, and stil is due to the physical pprobelms from my prior physical sex, il never get to have the childhood i wanted, so lets let this rest, dont judge a book without learning it!

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by spw184

 

Tim Curry has always claimed that he's not transgendered in the slightest but the quality of that performance still casts doubt in the eyes of many. Regardless, he's an awesome actor and that was probably his best role.

lol i know, but this thread makes me think of rocky horror pictures.

reply to post by Domo1


How is homosexuality not a choice? Isn't life just one big series of choices we make? Everything we do is a choice. So does it not stand to reason that homosexuality is also a choice that people make for whatever reason?

I look at it as everyone has the freedom to choose what is best for them as long as it doesnt infringe on the soverign rights of other people. It's their body, if they want to mutilate it then thats their choice. I see nothing wrong with that.

reply to post by LexiconV


More time to decide? What exactly? Let the person you are be who you are, gay, straight or what ever. As for wanting to change ones sex thats up to the individual when and if they chose "they got the wrong one" in the lottery. OK, I know it happens, but leave up to the individual and not zealous parents of any persuasion to make that determination.

Originally posted by I Want To Believe
reply to post by Domo1

 

How is homosexuality not a choice? Isn't life just one big series of choices we make? Everything we do is a choice. So does it not stand to reason that homosexuality is also a choice that people make for whatever reason?

Did you choose the color of your eyes?
Did you choose how tall you would be?
Did you choose your skin color?

There is something in the "mixed soup" of all humans and animals that determines what gender they are attracted to.

Homosexuality is a Birth Right - - - just as Heterosexuality is a Birth Right.

Science doesn't know why a small percentage of humans are born left handed either - - - but they do know they are born that way.

I don't even know why Choice is still questioned or believed.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by I Want To Believe

 

So you're saying that if you're currently obese, and you go to the gym and change your body, that nothing has changed? What about if you have a big nose, and you get a nose job? Nothing has changed? How about when a woman goes through menopause, and starts taking hormones of her own? Nothing has changed? How about if you go see a psychiatrist, and he prescribes you meds to alter the chemical makeup in your brain? Nothing changed? There must be a lot of pissed off people with bi-polar that are holding it in very well! Life is about changing and bettering yourself! Both physically and mentally. Who says that fixing this problem the best way that we can doesn't change anything? It changes EVERYTHING!

Who's goal? How do you know what my goal is?

My "maker" gave me exactly what he wanted me to have. The body of a man, the mind of a woman, and the spirit to deal with the world's stupidity.

To quote my favorite comedian, "What's the use in having a divine plan if every schmuck with a 2$ prayer book can screw up the plan?!"- George Carlin

If you are religious, then where does his divine plan stop, and human intervention begin? If he didn't want some of us to be unique, then why bother making us unique to begin with?

edit on 19-10-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)

You misunderstand my words. We are born the way we should be and yes there are certain things that are left to our will to decide such as weight or body build. In fact just as you pointed out with modern medicine we can even change our noses or our facial structure or any other number of things we dont like. But one of the things we will never be able to change is who and what we are. What you are born as is what you will be until you die. That's the way it's been for millenia and that's the way it will be and should be. We cant change the fundamental building blocks that make us who we are. Everything is in a constant state of change and motion but we are who we are and that is something we cant change just by wishing it or having parts of your body cut up or sliced. It's a futile action that really in the end wont accomplish the goal of becoming the oposite sex because that is something you cant and shouldnt change.

Some things should just be left to God. As one of my favorite writers and philosophers once said "Fools will go where even Angels fear to tread." ~ Alexander Pope

Don't you hate it when you get reincarnated as the opposite sex? God needs to get off facebook and do his homework.

Originally posted by arbiture
OK, I know it happens, but leave up to the individual and not zealous parents of any persuasion to make that determination.

No 11 year old - - no matter how much they want to delay puberty - - is going to get Hormone blockers without consent of a parent - - evaluations by doctors and psychologists.

reply to post by Annee


If you would have read my words more closely you would have discovered that I wrote "Everything we DO is a choice." I did not write "who we are is a choice" which you seem to think I did. I'm not going to argue the point of whether people are born homosexual or not because well it's off topic. But the freedom of choice is something that is undeniable and self-evident in all of us.