Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

reply to post by LexiconV



When i was that age, i wanted to be a boy.


The boy's could play soccer. The boy's could climb trees. The boy's could run around outside in the afternoon at the park unsupervised, purely because they are boys.

Girls had to wear dresses, Girls had to play with barbie, Girls had to learn how to knit, Girls are meant to like girly things.




Can you guess that i was the girl whom loved climbing trees, got pissy that there was only a boy's soccer team becuase playing it at lunch with them was so damn fun, and made it very clear to mommy that if she gets Barbie for Xmas that barbie gets two haircuts, one for the hair, the second at the neck, rather than actualy getting played with like the Ninja Turtles and Transformers toys got played with.



Today: I'm 25. I'm still female. The last time anyone saw me in a dress was school uniform. I'm straight, i'm happily in a relationship and it seems we may be getting married soon





Summary: Kids percieve the world differently. I Wanted to be a boy so badly because of all the restrictions, the differences laid out plane as day between boys and girls by parents at a young age. Not wanting to be treated in one way, and seeing how the other sex gets treated the way you want, all the time - will make you want to gender change.

But again - your'e a child. You only want these things becuase that is exactly how you see it.

As you grow up, you're mind matures, you're able to look at a picture you looked at 10 years ago and go holey #, i thought this was just a finger painting, now it looks like a full on masterpiece with detail that seconds that of the Mona Lisa - And you want to kick yourself beause you diddnt realise this sooner - but its not your fault, because you couldent see it sooner, because you're brain diddnt allow you.




I personaly feel the child should not be allowed to be given hormone blockers. Children should reach puberty as the sex they are born at - allow their body to forfill what its meant to do. AFter the hormones have kicked in - and the child's mind has matured to a point where it can look at the fingerpainting and see the masterpiece that wasnt there before - then they should be allowed to choose their gender.


And no, puberty was not easy for me either. I was, primarily attracted to other females. But this had a pattern to it, accompanied with beign so depressed you want ot jump off a building and so angry you're punching a brick wall untill you're knuckles bleed.

Hormone inbalance my friends, which in this day and age, is realy not surprising, considering how many female hormones everyone drinks each glass of water. Has the child been checked for a hormone inbalance?


For the people whom think a hormone inbalance is just moodswings, you're wrong. If i stop taking a souped-up version of the contraceptive pill, 1mth after its cleared out of my system im staring at every set of boobs that walks past, you're personal preferences change, and yes the up-down rollercoaster of emotions came back too, but im just trying ot use this as an example, on how much hormones play a part in who you are and what you do. Denying them the chance to kick in, and allowing the child to mature naturaly is like denying them the oportunity to see their own face in the mirror.

Originally posted by TigaHawk
When i was that age, i wanted to be a boy.

So did I.

But I know the difference between wanting to be a boy - - - and being a girl in a boys body.

I personaly feel the child should not be allowed to be given hormone blockers. Children should reach puberty as the sex they are born at - allow their body to forfill what its meant to do. AFter the hormones have kicked in - and the child's mind has matured to a point where it can look at the fingerpainting and see the masterpiece that wasnt there before - then they should be allowed to choose their gender.

this seems to be the agreement on here. I remember I wanted to be a girl untill I was like 5..

reply to post by TigaHawk


A lot of people like you also transition later in life, and deeply regret not having suppressed those hormones from day one. I'm one of them.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


Ok! that chart is confusing as hell.

I don't think there is anything I could say that you probably would not get offended on.

But ya it is freaking confusing, I do not think anybody who is not transgender will really understand it....Anyways aren't you always going on about labels. I seriously cant think of anything I or anybody else could say about that, without bringing labels into the picture, everybody thinks in terms of labels no matter what they say. And the human mind understands things in terms of labels as a way of relating to other people and there labels.

So ya, here is how most people would think on that little chart, if a majority of transgender people, lean toward being hetero after there switch. But since they are not really that gender originally to begin with, nor really totally after there change, technically there still that gender that they were born as. So would that not still make them either bi-sexual, or lesbian even if there now hetero.

As you can see, it's enough to make one go what? Say that again? But anyways, this is already giving me a headache so, whatever... dude...girl....what do you want me to call you anyways? And trust me I have seen stranger things then this weird gender confusion issue that is happening on planet earth.


Also I don't get what fully transitioned means....Are you talking they can do everything. Ok lets say its a dude who is now a female, are you saying they can do and are everything a female can and is. I am pretty sure the pregnant thing is out of the question, so what does fully transgender transition mean?

Originally posted by spw184
reply to post by JohnnySasaki

 

A.I get political correctness, and I agree some of it is stupid, but I dont get the whole "real" part.
B. Thanks for auto-grouping me. I appreciate that.
C. I searched google with many diffrent groupings of the words "Are gay kids likely to come from single parents?"
You know what I found?

Nothing.

A. Because political correctness is fake, or plastic as we like to call it. It's real, but it's like all those McMansions you see all over the place. California is full of them. Just a whole bunch of fake. Fake plastic houses to shelter fake plastic people.

B. You're welcome.

C. I hate to stoup to the level of calling you names, but you're taking everything in the literal and it's frustrating me. It's not my job to spoon feed you everything. Don't just read my words, try and understand them. At least make an effort.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Fully transitioned means that you've completed sexual reassignment surgery. This means that you can have sex with a man. Hetero tg women like men, lesbian tg women like other women, and bi-sexual needs no explanation. The chart doesn't make much sense, because there is no correlation. It's a chart displaying the results of several studies, and taking the average of all of them at the bottom.

Btw, I'm not an it, and we're not men. You get those two things straight, and you'll go a long ways towards not offending anyone.

I'll expand on this for you, and for others. A good rule of thumb for how to address someone, is to call them by whatever gender they appear to be displaying. If hulk hogan walks up to you in heels, a dress, and terribly done eye liner, you say Ma'am until the person tells you otherwise. If you can't tell what gender the person is trying to present as, you can either ask, or guess with uncertainty in your voice, and they will correct you. They may not like it, but those of us that aren't so easily offended will correct you and not hold it against you.

One thing that comes up often on the Michelangelo Signorile radio show - - is those of LGBT not supporting all aspects of LGBT.

They are not a cohesive group think.

Gays do not necessarily understand or support Transgenders and vice-versa.

There are organized gay sports teams that have been sued for not allowing Transgenders.

Just wanted to point that out - - - for those who think if a gay person agrees with you - - - so do Transgenders.

They are not the same thing under the umbrella LGBT.

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki

Originally posted by spw184
reply to post by JohnnySasaki

 

A.I get political correctness, and I agree some of it is stupid, but I dont get the whole "real" part.
B. Thanks for auto-grouping me. I appreciate that.
C. I searched google with many diffrent groupings of the words "Are gay kids likely to come from single parents?"
You know what I found?

Nothing.

A. Because political correctness is fake, or plastic as we like to call it. It's real, but it's like all those McMansions you see all over the place. California is full of them. Just a whole bunch of fake. Fake plastic houses to shelter fake plastic people.

B. You're welcome.

C. I hate to stoup to the level of calling you names, but you're taking everything in the literal and it's frustrating me. It's not my job to spoon feed you everything. Don't just read my words, try and understand them. At least make an effort.

A. Political correctness has been around FOREVER. Its also called "Social law" or "social acceptability"
B. Fffffuuuu...
C. I hate to put this so simply, but I have to go down to your level.
*baby voice*
What you said little jimmy, Isn't true. And when we say somthing that isn't true, thats called a lie. And lies are baaaad.

I don't really care If a child or adult wants to be a male or female, but I cannot agree with giving a child hormone medication without some sort of illness....and wanting to be the other gender does not count as an illness to me.

Originally posted by TruthWizard
I don't really care If a child or adult wants to be a male or female, but I cannot agree with giving a child hormone medication without some sort of illness....and wanting to be the other gender does not count as an illness to me.

Do you see being gay as an illness?

reply to post by spw184


no, why? does a gay person take meds for his/her homosexuality? If so that's a personal choice and not something done as a direct result of being gay.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


en.wikipedia.org...
Ok I goggled this "sexual reassignment surgery" and it was pretty much what I thought it would be. But by the time they got to the genital reconstruction thing I was cringing mostly because it sounds painful. And by the time I read that some even have a whole uterus transplantion thing and all the drugs they have to take so there body wont reject it. I really don't know what to say.

From the wiki.

Medical advances may eventually make childbearing possible by using a donor uterus long enough to carry a child to term as anti-rejection drugs do not seem to affect the fetus.[8][9][10][11] The DNA in a donated ovum can be removed and replaced with the DNA of the receiver. Further in the future stem cell biotechnology may also make this possible, with no need for anti-rejection drugs.

If there willing to go trough all that to change there gender, both male and female transgenders people. Then whatever, its there life's and I can kind of see why they they would be willing to go trough all that. Because I don't think anybody will be willing to go trough all that if they really didn't believe they were in the wrong body type. So even if I don't get it. I can respect that its there lot and there life.

All I can say is, stuff is going to be confusing for those going trough the more technological age's that might be likely to come if we survive the shift. It just gets a bit crazy and confusing, when males can become females and vice versa.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


*barf* thats gross, I think I'll just stay with my guyonguy action for now.

Originally posted by spw184

A. Political correctness has been around FOREVER. Its also called "Social law" or "social acceptability"
B. Fffffuuuu...
C. I hate to put this so simply, but I have to go down to your level.
*baby voice*
What you said little jimmy, Isn't true. And when we say somthing that isn't true, thats called a lie. And lies are baaaad.

Allow me to quote myself.

And no, if a child is raised by a single parent of the opposite sex, it doesn't mean they will be gay, although it might be more likely. The "monkey see monkey do" is referring to the child seeing "gay" (two male or female parents) and thinking that's normal. It wasn't that hard to understand.

I recall seeing a big MIGHT in there. I never claimed it as fact, although even though you did a big boy google search and didn't find any studies doesn't mean it's not the case. Also, if you recall, the second part of that sentence is me having to explain what "monkey see monkey do" meant in relation to what someone ELSE had said.

Stop arguing with me purely because you happen to be offended. You're clearly grasping at straws, and seemingly intentionally misunderstanding simple concepts for sake of argument.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by JohnnySasaki

 

What is and isn't politically correct is defined by society, so if you're constantly opposed to PC ideals, then you're the minority.

They should change the term, because what it really tests is your own morality, and your ability to cope with others.

edit on 18-10-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)

You are correct, what is politically correct is defined by society, and I don't have a problem with either concepts (political correctness, or the fact that it's defined by society). I do, however, have a problem with lies and fear governing, or skewing, what society defines as politically correct.

For example, companies are now terrified of the race card, so every commercial that has a black person in it has to make them the all knowing knowledgeable ones who teaches the white man what to do and buy. Am I offended by this? No. I'm offended by the fear of not being politically correct, and I'm offended political correctness places such fears on people.

reply to post by Annee


Your welcome anne, and thank you evolutionsend, and all of those who understand, people like billie have no idea, where not sick people, its people like you who are sick, Go and do some research, infact go and get total insight on transgenderisim, you really have no idea, none at all, go and take action but you will be in for a hell of a storm! you know NOTHING !NOTHING ! about transgenderisim, if the child has a Physcologyst helping them and are finding the child is mentaly confused without the influence of the parrents then that says something,i refuse to post on this aymore, so billy, dont thank me, stick it where the sun dont shine! your arogant attitude sickens me and you can tell me im digusting but you know what, its not abuse, they are trying to help the child, its the same as parents who dont lable there children as boy or girl and let them be gender neutral, Look into this and educate your self, properly, and leave the parrents like my self to enjoy life, im not trying to force our child into being the oppisite gender and she has same sex parrents, so your ideas of same sex parrents and transgenderisim is flawed in a multitude of ways. thank you to everyone else who has understood, came out and given insight, your all a friend to me even though i dont know you.

reply to post by Evolutionsend

I'll expand on this for you, and for others. A good rule of thumb for how to address someone, is to call them by whatever gender they appear to be displaying. If hulk hogan walks up to you in heels, a dress, and terribly done eye liner, you say Ma'am until the person tells you otherwise. If you can't tell what gender the person is trying to present as, you can either ask, or guess with uncertainty in your voice, and they will correct you. They may not like it, but those of us that aren't so easily offended will correct you and not hold it against you.

Oh OK, if hulk hogan or anybody would walk up to me in heels, a dress, and terribly done eye liner, sorry but I will call him a dude and ask what the hell he wants. That is If I am felling nice, if I am not! Then I would not say anything, which would be a more nicer response, no doubt.

There is a limit on the things I would be willing to overlook on people and there lifestyle's and there lots, but I do and will call a spade a spade no matter what they want me to call them, or who they are. Especially if there pushy or bossy about it.

although it might be more likely.

I recall seeing a big MIGHT in there. I never claimed it as fact, although even though you did a big boy google search and didn't find any studies doesn't mean it's not the case. Also, if you recall, the second part of that sentence is me having to explain what "monkey see monkey do" meant in relation to what someone ELSE had said.


Sure, you DID say might, but you also implied that it WOULD be more likely.

For example:
Me: *mixing baking supplies*
Chef: It might work a little bit better if you added a couple more eggs into that
Me: Ok *continues mixing*
Me: gives to chef to taste
Chef: you didnt add those eggs did you
Me: O.O how did you know

And I wrote reports on eggs for the next 2 weeks.

End story.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Do that at your own risk. It's really just an extension of your basic social skills.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


OK. That I will.

Second.