Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I think that statement was said in anger, and frankly, I can see why he would be angry. This whole thread is nasty stuff. I have no idea why they're allowing it. I guess staff has their own agenda as well.

With you though, someone summed it up well pages ago. "Same stuff, different thread".

With me it's same stuff different day? You mean because I show a conservative outlook? Or because like most parents, I realize that a child of 11 does not have the development emotionally or physically to make sound judgements? Frankly I think the entire deal is outrageous. We may not know to what extent society as a whole has played in all of this. But then, that has been the agenda all along, if one takes into account the role of the KGB in undermining western society. It is the destabilizing of societal norms for the purpose of taking over. I've posted on it many times.
If people here read my stuff and feel the need to label me, then go right ahead. But then expect judgement to be meted out to you as well.

reply to post by Annee


A transvestite is someone that gains sexual satisfaction from the clothing, or the full presentation of a gender other than the one assigned at birth. Transgender is not the same, and "tranny" is often taken to mean transvestite.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I think that statement was said in anger, and frankly, I can see why he would be angry. This whole thread is nasty stuff. I have no idea why they're allowing it. I guess staff has their own agenda as well.

With you though, someone summed it up well pages ago. "Same stuff, different thread".

With me it's same stuff different day? You mean because I show a conservative outlook? Or because like most parents, I realize that a child of 11 does not have the development emotionally or physically to make sound judgements? Frankly I think the entire deal is outrageous. We may not know to what extent society as a whole has played in all of this. But then, that has been the agenda all along, if one takes into account the role of the KGB in undermining western society. It is the destabilizing of societal norms for the purpose of taking over. I've posted on it many times.
If people here read my stuff and feel the need to label me, then go right ahead. But then expect judgement to be meted out to you as well.
It occurred to me that this case is publicized as part of the UN Agenda of The Rights of The Child as promoted by Hillary Clinton and her "It Takes A Village".


Still, it can be argued that the State cannot control what parents do for their children. It makes me wonder about this entire case. Even the UN Rights of the Child say the parents should act for the child's welfare, but obviously the agenda here is to push for transgender rights using parental authority under the Rights Of the Child.In this manner, they can argue that the welfare of the child is the child should be given the right to choose(this is classic Hillary agenda) and that they are merely supplementing the child for his own good.

Article 5 (Parental guidance): Governments should respect the rights and responsibilities of families to direct and guide their children so that, as they grow, they learn to use their rights properly. Helping children to understand their rights does not mean pushing them to make choices with consequences that they are too young to handle. Article 5 encourages parents to deal with rights issues "in a manner consistent with the evolving capacities of the child". The Convention does not take responsibility for children away from their parents and give more authority to governments. It does place on governments the responsibility to protect and assist families in fulfilling their essential role as nurturers of children.

www.unicef.org...

I don't think this kid came up with this conclusion on his own, very few kids are mature enough at that age to understand sex, and what the differences in the two genders really are. I have no problem with same sex couples raising kids, but when they interfere in the kids natural course, and natural inclinations then there will be problems no matter how you justify it, or want it to be.

Point being I think, if this kid were left alone to really do as he wanted the outcome he would chose would be different. Preventing a kid from developing naturally is stupid, especially at that age and even if the kid really wanted to be a different gender of his own volition, it will still lead to problems no matter how you slice it.

Parents should let kids be kids, and raise them in the gender of what they were born into without pushing them into one or the other, or influencing them into one or the other both knowingly or unknowingly, and in cases like this. Same sex couples should either really stay away from trying influencing there kids into any one particular way. Children are impressionable and model there world, by the world around them and when they constantly only see one thing or things in one way, they will emulate and try to be like what they see, even if it is something they will grow out of latter in life.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by Annee

 

A transvestite is someone that gains sexual satisfaction from the clothing, or the full presentation of a gender other than the one assigned at birth. Transgender is not the same, and "tranny" is often taken to mean transvestite.

Yeah - I know.

Just when I think I've got all the "terms" straight - - - someone comes in and says: "I prefer _________".

I kind of like Gender-Variant. That was in the Slate article.

I try to listen to Michelangelo Signorile on OutQ radio every day. They had a show on "Trans" - - and the correct definitions. It can be a bit confusing. Not everyone agreed - either.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

If someone isn't a fascist, it's pretty obvious to anyone that knows the definition of the word, which is everyone since I posted it.

Look, people on this forum are throwing that word around for anyone with opposing viewpoints. More specifically, liberal types are using it as a way to ridicule and shame conservatives. It's really that simple here. That is why I ask people for definitions because then they have to realize how childish and silly it is.

Anyway, liberals often resort to calling conservatives that, as a sort of definition for being right-leaning. It really does fall into the whole left/right paradigm doesn't it? But it is an erroneous tactic, as fascism is really just another form of socialism. There is national socialism, and there is International Socialism.

In fact wikipedia says International Socialism is related to the Socialist Workers Party

and look whats on the Socialist Workers Party site in the UK

The global revolt against our rulers infused the Marxism 2011 festival in central London last weekend. It lifted the atmosphere, debates and the size—with over 4,500 people

www.swp.org.uk...

Here's more on fascism

Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism.

Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.

www.goodreads.com...

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Exactly. In addition, he's probably not even old enough to dig chicks anyway, so how would he know he's all backwards UNTIL he hit puberty? Delaying the process only confuses him more. Wait a couple years, then show him a couple pictures of Megan Fox, and if he doesn't pitch a tent you can cut off anything you want.

reply to post by Annee


People try to use those terms as a definition of themselves too much. They're a means to classify yourself on a broad scale of other individuals, not define your existence as a person. I use and promote the correct terms, it keeps everyone on the same page.

Are you by any chance a supportive SO?

reply to post by JohnnySasaki


People don't always define their gender by their sexuality. Just something to think about.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


What they're really trying to say when they do that, is that intelligent discussion here has given way to stupidity, and that more members need to articulate their thoughts in a more meaningful way. At least that's what I took the original statement to mean.

Labels, LABELS! Why so many labels around here?

reply to post by JohnnySasaki


Genetic blueprints, or genotype is NOT THE SAME AS PHENOTYPE or in this case, yes you can, appearances and mode of life, makes a huge difference.


Kim, one of the youngest.




She had the operation before she gave birth apparently.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by JohnnySasaki

 

People don't always define their gender by their sexuality. Just something to think about.

Well that's the whole point of the thread, buuuuttt,.....

Option 1: I'm a man, and I'm attracted to women. Gender = Male
Option 2: I'm a man, and I'm attracted to other men. Gender = Male
Option 3: I'm a man, but I think I'm a woman (seems to be very closely related to Option 2). Gender = Male.

You could have a mental condition where you think you're a fish, but that doesn't mean you can breath underwater.

reply to post by JohnnySasaki


The amount of "womanhood" one can attain is specific to each person. Some of us will always be men, some are almost undetectable. I've dated men that could not tell, even after having seen every inch of my body. In my experience those that try to make statements like that are only trying to hurt feelings.

reply to post by Unity_99


I heard about the story of the guy giving birth. I didn't care enough to read about it, but I assume the guy is really a girl who had a sex change (beings he looks like a guy), in which case I don't understand your argument.

reply to post by JohnnySasaki


I think they're whatever they can make of their lives actually. Thats what the miracle of science can do for some who need this.

I'm not sure that 11 qualifies for this decision however. Which may be why the hormones.

Considering the horrendous stuff in immunizationas, mercury and various toxins, and the drugs they put kids on in school, and for all manner of conditions, including various hormones for growth, this isn't really our business, and has far more reasoning behind it than taking a naturally high energy kid and drugging him, possibly turning him psychotic. I have a feeling a team was involved in this decision as well already.

reply to post by JohnnySasaki


The point is that we have more in common with our chosen gender after our transition, than with our birth gender.

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
reply to post by Unity_99

 

I heard about the story of the guy giving birth. I didn't care enough to read about it, but I assume the guy is really a girl who had a sex change (beings he looks like a guy), in which case I don't understand your argument.

He is a picture of a sex change operation. He just happens to be pregnant, showing the many complexities of the situation, but nonetheless, he does look like a HE, and obviously to go this far, feels like a HE, you'd think, eh? In other words, this isn't our decision to make. Our opinions are just shots in the dark.
Imagine being able to really feel other people and stop deciding things for them based on your programming but taking the time to ask them what they want! This whole world would change!

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
reply to post by Unity_99

 

I heard about the story of the guy giving birth. I didn't care enough to read about it, but I assume the guy is really a girl who had a sex change (beings he looks like a guy), in which case I don't understand your argument.

He is a picture of a sex change operation. He just happens to be pregnant, showing the many complexities of the situation, but nonetheless, he does look like a HE, and obviously to go this far, feels like a HE, you'd think, eh? In other words, this isn't our decision to make. Our opinions are just shots in the dark.
Imagine being able to really feel other people and stop deciding things for them based on your programming but taking the time to ask them what they want! This whole world would change!

edit on 18-10-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

I understand that you can get them to look like members of the opposite sex, my whole point is that they aren't REALLY members of the opposite sex. That's why I didn't understand your argument. The fact that he had a baby means he's still a woman who has had lots of testosterone pumped into her.

I would also like to get across that I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings here, I'm just not apart of the whole "I better be politically correct so I don't lose my job" movement. I tell it like it is, and if that happens to hurt your feelings then I'm sorry. I just think everyone's scared to voice their opinion nowadays and it's a shame.