Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

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reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

I didn't call anyone a fascist. I said that I agree with the idea that we're going towards fascist ideals in some of the responses.

You asked for the definition, and how it relates, I gave it to you. If you don't want it, don't ask.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


What is ethical is often a gray area, and subject to debate. How you express your feelings about ethics is not.

Originally posted by freakjive

Originally posted by facelift
11 years of life experience is not adequate to make this decision

This is the problem I have most with it. How does an 11 year old make that decision? How does someone let an 11 year old make that decision?

Yeah, it's one thing to allow someone to figure out who they are, but don't give the kid drugs that prolong the natural process of puberty!

I have no issues with gay marriage, or anyone who is gay. That is no-ones business. I do have a problem with parents who pull this kind of thing though. They are just messing with nature and it will probably mentally affect the kid for the rest of his life now.

It has nothing to do with my programing, and I'm not saying that he/she shouldn't be able to do it, I'm just stating fact here. YOU CAN'T CHANGE GENDER. Period. You can try, and you might think you're a woman, but you really aren't. I don't care how many hormones you pump into the kid, or how much you cut off, you're still just a disfigured cross-dresser.

It's sad because I think the kid is just very confused here. He has two lesbians for parents and he has probably been conditioned to think he's supposed to be a woman, whether they think they have or not.

Now don't get me wrong here, as I'm no expert on the subject, but IMO if your kid ends up gay or lesbian, you can probably trace it back to something the parents did wrong during early childhood.

Just my two cents, you can believe whatever you want.

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For you to say, or anyone to say, that this child is old enough to make this kind of decision on his own, shows real lack of understanding for the developmental stages that children go through.

There are very few professionals in the field of psychology who would say that this is healthy at all. In fact, I would say before this is all said and done, that these two ladies will probably be brought up, and in my opinion, should be brought up on child abuse and neglect charges.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

What is ethical is often a gray area, and subject to debate. How you express your feelings about ethics is not.

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You can't define ethics with a single link from a conservative commonwealth state. That's where the debate comes in.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

You can't define ethics with a single link from a conservative commonwealth state. That's where the debate comes in.

Who said I was trying to define ethics? I merely provided a link to a University which has a strong bio medical ethics dept. Why are you arguing this point with me? I merely pointed out that there is an entire dept there devoted to this field and that people on a forum can't just go around calling people fascist for having opposing viewpoints. It is just beyond childish.

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by Violater1

 

You do realize that the kid is not getting transgender surgery or even gettign prepped for it, right? They are just delaying puberty...

Let's not forget that we are speeding up puberty with all the hormones which are added to food. My understanding is this is proven, so giving children something to slow it down shouldn't really be an issue.

Hormone therapy from another direction as an example, my son is 14 and looks like he is a 3rd grader. Going into high school next year he has been anxious, and has discussed with his pediatrician his options. She has said that if puberty does not kick in for him before summer that she can put him on a hormone regimen which should kick off the process of puberty.

So, a question is, does anyone have any issues with giving children hormones to speed up the puberty process? If NOT, why do you have issues with giving children medications to SLOW DOWN the puberty process?

I think this really ought to be left up to the child, the parents and the child's doctors. If you are none of those, get your nose out of where it doesn't belong.

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I think that statement was said in anger, and frankly, I can see why he would be angry. Parts of this thread is some nasty stuff. I have no idea why they're allowing it. I guess staff has their own agenda as well.

I have to take that back, you're acting oddly now so it's no longer the same stuff in a different thread.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

You can't define ethics with a single link from a conservative commonwealth state. That's where the debate comes in.

But you were right, that guy did call someone else fascist. Point for you.

The accusation did seem to fall into anyone who had the opposing viewpoint though.

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Hormones in the general population are so far out of whack, that some claim we'll all be sterile very soon.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


If someone isn't a fascist, it's pretty obvious to anyone that knows the definition of the word, which is everyone since I posted it.

Originally posted by Wookiep
Yeah, it's one thing to allow someone to figure out who they are, but don't give the kid drugs that prolong the natural process of puberty!

How is it really any different then taking your kid in for ADHD evaluation and medication?

How is it really any different then taking your kid in for Autism evaluation and medication?

Do you think when you take your child in for ADHD or Autism evaluation - - - they don't talk to the child and ask them what they think? Or how they feel on medication?

The child can have a great deal of input. Any doctor that does not take the child's thoughts into consideration - - is not a very good doctor.

I do not see this as different in any way. The child has an issue that needs to be treated. Pretty simple to me.

It freaks some people out because they think of it as "sex" related. I personally do not see any "sex" issue. It is a Gender-Variant issue.