Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

Sorry kid, you can't be a girl. You can cut it off, or slap one on, but you're still just a guy without his manhood, or a girl with a strap-on.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gncnew
Our social and moral "evolution" is parallel with the decline of our society.

Moral - - the most over used and abused word ever since W took office - - and began his crusade.

A real and honest ethical society would allow everyone the same equal rights - - such as marriage. And accept those born with differences.

In the 50s - - - anything different or threatening to "moral society" was just shoved behind closed doors.

Don't talk to me about evolution of society. I say swing all the doors wide open.

Annee, our society is more tolerant and accepting that at any point in its history. It is also more dehumanized and cracked/broken than at any point in its history.

We are falling apart at the seams... everyone sees it - the old people see it, the young people feel it. Kids are roving the streets in violent gangs, people are protesting in the streets about not getting enough free aid, people can't find jobs and are out of work but we keep feeding the people that made this situation what it is..

We are in the midst of a true American Dystopia...

It is NOT a coincidence that we've also been systematically destroying the fabric that used to bind us together.

There is no sense of unity and peace - it's divisive and chaotic... this is not a good thing.

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
Sorry kid, you can't be a girl. You can cut it off, or slap one on, but you're still just a guy without his manhood, or a girl with a strap-on.

That's sick.

You are talking about an 11 year old child.

A child through medical miracle is given a few more years to think about her options.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by gncnew

 

There's nothing new about an 11 year old transitioning. Many popular models did it ten years ago.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.... but ok..

Originally posted by gncnew
Annee, our society is more tolerant and accepting that at any point in its history. It is also more dehumanized and cracked/broken than at any point in its history.

Why?

Because real ethical people forced open doors - - - - the "moral majority" tried to keep locked?

And are still trying to keep locked!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
Sorry kid, you can't be a girl. You can cut it off, or slap one on, but you're still just a guy without his manhood, or a girl with a strap-on.

That's sick.

You are talking about an 11 year old child.

A child through medical miracle is given a few more years to think about her options.

It is a very crude statement, and really in poor taste - but to jump on the "your talking about an 11 year old child" box right after you declared this "child" old enough to decide to be a chick for the rest of his life...

Seems a bit disingenuous.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gncnew
Annee, our society is more tolerant and accepting that at any point in its history. It is also more dehumanized and cracked/broken than at any point in its history.

Why?

Because real ethical people forced open doors - - - - the "moral majority" tried to keep locked?

And are still trying to keep locked!

You really think that's what it is? You think kids are beating the hell out of each other in the streets because some old white dude is trying to keep gays from getting married?

I'm pretty sure that you're making one of the larger leaps in logic I've seen from you.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I prefer the word manure to describe some of the more insulting posts made in this thread.


Facism

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

I can certainly see a lot of "forcible suppression of opposition" through insults and attacks. The issue of a simple difference in the way a person looks or chooses to live could be expanded to fit the racial definition as well. Pointing to national problems and claiming that things like this mean the world is in trouble, is also an attempt to blame someone that's different than them for the nation's problems. Yea, looks like fascism is an accurate definition of the behavior in some cases.

Well, really then, you must add most of the liberals on this site to your description! Because libs are some of the worst offenders when it comes to name calling and mud throwing and telling people where they should go for having a difference of opinion. Why somebody just yesterday told me where to go.
There is no forcible suppression of your ideas here. People may not like it, but they have just as much right to their opinion as you do.

Originally posted by gncnew

It is a very crude statement, and really in poor taste - but to jump on the "your talking about an 11 year old child" box right after you declared this "child" old enough to decide to be a chick for the rest of his life...

Seems a bit disingenuous.

She is a girl in a boys body. She is not a boy trying to be a girl.

That's the part you don't seem to get.

And Yes - - if you've followed this subject - - - these transgender children know very early they are different.

reply to post by Kharron


Children need to be involved in decisions that affect them as soon as they can talk. To do otherwise is not right. A good parent listens to the child, and makes a judgement call as to what can be aloud and what can't.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Well, really then, you must add most of the liberals on this site to your description! Because libs are some of the worst offenders when it comes to name calling and mud throwing and telling people where they should go for having a difference of opinion. Why somebody just yesterday told me where to go.

Yeah Yeah - - ThirdEyeofHorus - - and her Liberal "bull pucky"

Same crap - - different thread.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
Sorry kid, you can't be a girl. You can cut it off, or slap one on, but you're still just a guy without his manhood, or a girl with a strap-on.

That's sick.

You are talking about an 11 year old child.

A child through medical miracle is given a few more years to think about her options.

HE's got to learn about it sometime, and it's not like I said it to HIM anyway. I apologize if you think you're a woman stuck in a man's body, or vice-versa, but you just can't up and switch genders and have it be anything but a false appearance. At least for now and the foreseeable future that is.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


When you start trying to discredit someone or something with blanket statements like "it's just wrong", or "these people are sick", you cross the line from expressing opinion and start towards fascism. That's my opinion.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by gncnew

 

If his parents have researched the topic, and see the signs, and wish to guide him along that path, what gives you or anyone else the right to criticize? Whether he's an adult or not, someone has the choice to make. It's not child abuse, it's just something that you don't agree with. Perfectly straight parents, with "normal" (whatever that is) children have opted much worse things than this, and it wasn't considered child abuse.

Anyone has the right to criticize, even the peers of the doctor. They just don't have the right to interfere. In my view, some of this stuff really borders on an abuse of freedom. The implications of a case like this to society are many. I hope the child has been sufficiently evaluated by psychologists to not be reflecting the values of the parents.
Values Clarification has been used in schools to divorce children from their parents values and replace them with the values of the almighty State. In this case, the parents may be activists for a radical cause and therefore be involved in actively changing the child's normal thinking. It would not surprise me due to the level of activism in groups like this. Liberals often play both sides of a given issue. The Ends justify the means. If they want control of the State, they pressure for Values Clarification in the schools to imprint their radical ideas into the child mind, but if they are parents, they want to control what the State does.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Some of this borders on harassment.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

When you start trying to discredit someone or something with blanket statements like "it's just wrong", or "these people are sick", you cross the line from expressing opinion and start towards fascism. That's my opinion.

Oh but anyone can come in here and start calling people fascist? People are not fascist for having different opinions, and nobody here is telling you that you can't have yours. See, you are the one here trying to force your opinion on everyone else. If someone has an opposing viewpoint, you just start calling them fascist and that should shut em up eh....
Rules for Radicals anybody?

"The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment."

The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states "that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means."

"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."

"In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt."

americanpatrol.com...


Have I made myself clear with this point?

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by JohnnySasaki
Sorry kid, you can't be a girl. You can cut it off, or slap one on, but you're still just a guy without his manhood, or a girl with a strap-on.

That's sick.

You are talking about an 11 year old child.

A child through medical miracle is given a few more years to think about her options.

HE's got to learn about it sometime, and it's not like I said it to HIM anyway. I apologize if you think you're a woman stuck in a man's body, or vice-versa, but you just can't up and switch genders and have it be anything but a false appearance. At least for now and the foreseeable future that is.

There are many people who have and do just that, and they then can live whole healthy lives, so I wouldn't speak because its off the top of your head, out of your programming. People are not little card board cutouts that you can project your programs onto. They have their own feelings and trials, and their own decisions to make.

I'm actually quite a bit more to Annee's side than waiting for adam's apples to grow. However there are other things that can seem similar too. For example, there are far more bisexual's, homosexual's than those who require surgery. So perhaps this drug offsetting puberty is not such a bad idea right now, if it can give him 2 more years to think deeply or more.

To me its so irreversible for an 11 year old. At 13 if he's still 11 hormonally will it be any different? Such complex problems, probably this would take a team to help solve with his free will intact as well.

But it doesnt take religious or gay phobic programming to help solve. That has to be left out of the decision altogether.