Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

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to Evolutionsend
I cannot have a fully funtional female physic, i have the mind of a female, i now have breast and wide hips, but mist of my physical bone fusions have changed to the extent that i cannot truely have a female body, beofre i transitioned i could not get my physicalities to work with me as a woman gender role due to the influences of male hormones, such as hair loss, oily skins, lack of breast and hips, body hair was excessive, by taking hormones this has balanced allot of it out for me, the hormones are a physical aid and correction, the mental is where the true gender lies, trust me, there are great sacrifices that comes with transition, not having a child or sperm banking is one of them, without hormones as i get older my body would progress more into a male physique rather then female, the longer you leave transition and hormones treatment the worse it gets there for making life harder to look and be treated like a woman, the earlier trantions the better the result of the desired physical gender and the less social problems that arise, Miriam rivera is a prime example of how beutiful earliy transition can be, the results and benifets, although she was used as a entertainment gimmick the girl did have her heart broken at the and of the series. being transgender is verry tough, hormones can kill you, i could have a blood clot, heart attack, DVT, and more, i could kiss my partner and child goodnight and be dead the next day, its really a sittuation of maybe dammed if i do and deffinantly dammed if i dont.

Bash me all you want, but it's just plain disgusting. The whole lifestyle. If you're an adult and it's what you choose, fine but don't subject everyone else to it, especially children. This is coming from someone who has been around friends and family in this lifestyle and all I can say is that it's such a phony life. Especially the guys. If you're gay then be gay but running around sensationalising it and acting like a queen is beyond ridiculous. The phoniest most deceitful lifestyle ever which is just pushing to involve and brainwash our children into.

Say the same if you want about heterosexual but ...yes...heterosexual is the norm. it's what has kept every species going from the beginning of time. For those who have the idiotic argument that there's homosexuality in the animal kingdom, sure but it's the equivelant of rape in prison. It's a dominance thing. You don't see gay animals prancing around adopting children and so forth. That's the problem with the world. Everyone feels the need to be accepted and want to force their views on everyone else. Keep it to yourself because honestly...no one cares what your sexual preference is or your views on life.

That's what you get when we build a society that empowers the weak and useless people. I honestly can't wait for society to implode and get back to the basics even if it means the demise of me and my family, because this is what the downfalls of all societies have been. Everyone's self serving goals and desires.

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It allows you to be a woman, not just emulate one. Emulation is not sufficient. Being aloud to cry is a good example of something that we were not aloud to do, but can do after the change.

As far as acting how you want in public, I'm still somewhat not girly. I have no problem with it, because the change is about what's on the inside, connecting properly with what's on the outside. It never felt right to be a man, to have male genitalia, to be held to the standards that men are subject to. The best way that I can explain it, is that your entire life someone wants you to be a football player, but you want to be a cheerleader.

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I can agree somewhat with you, but not entirely. I do not choose to be around others like myself because some of them have serious mental problems far beyond any gender assignment issues. Don't blame a nutcase because he's a nutcase in a dress. That's not me, and I want no part of it. We're all people, just as diverse as any other group, don't judge an entire group based on one bad experience.

Originally posted by josh2009s
reply to post by freakjive

 

Sadly this is no different then parents "forcing" religion upon their children. This should not be acceptable at such a young age when a child's mind can be so easily persuaded and swayed. I'm not saying the parents forced him to believe this, but 1+1 does equal two.

You can change back to your old religion with a few weeks of classes.

But if your willy gets chopped off there is no going back.


These parent's aren't thinking clearly.

It would be interesting to introduce a strong male role model into his life.

reply to post by AGWskeptic


The basic procedure that everyone interested in sexual reassignment surgery goes through is to be on hormone replacement therapy, sometimes for even years, before going that far. They don't actually chop anything off, but by the time you reach that stage, you will have lived as a woman for a matter of years. If you don't live as a woman, they won't do the surgery. They put the horses long before the cart.

You're suggesting repairative therapy. In the 80s, they thought this would work. They're still trying to make it work on some of the people that started on it, back in the 80s. It simply doesn't work.

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you might find it discgusting but we find repression of ones true self disgusting, its not a fake lifestyle, you straight people parade you strasight tv shoes, sex movies, holloywood and everyday life, so why cant we? why should we hide away in fear of people like you? id surpose you dont care that people are killed, raped,bashed, suicidal or killed them selves because people like you feel and act the way you do! i have no shame, i am who i am, i dont parade im lesbian and trangnder, i just take pride and dont hold back and hide, repression was a act of the nazis, repression of homosexuality is just as bad, its ok the world isnt racist as it used to be but homosexuality is filth? its just wrong that people cant let bigons be bigons, all i can say is you need to have a heart to understand the impact it has on individuals and there lives and families, your breed will disapear and a more open modern world will come to be, my partner and i want our child to be who she is, boy, girl, gay bi or straight, not be influenced just because the normality or average sorry, average population are straight people, we dont influence her to be gay or lesbian, we let her be her, and thats the way it should be for all children, not have stereo types of whats male or female, that leads to fear and repression for those who are transgendered, i bet if jesus was gay it wouldnt be a problem, please really think about it, i dont want to waist my time trying to educate you.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend

It allows you to be a woman, not just emulate one. Emulation is not sufficient. Being aloud to cry is a good example of something that we were not aloud to do, but can do after the change.

As far as acting how you want in public, I'm still somewhat not girly. I have no problem with it, because the change is about what's on the inside, connecting properly with what's on the outside. It never felt right to be a man, to have male genitalia, to be held to the standards that men are subject to. The best way that I can explain it, is that your entire life someone wants you to be a football player, but you want to be a cheerleader.

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You are aloud to cry in public though, male or female. If for example you lived on an isolated island with no contact to the outside world where none of the current social "rules" and sterotypes were in place do you think you would still have an issue with crying in public? I don't think you would, so to me it seems you've undergone a massive change to try and fit in easier with how you feel you should live your life in our messed up society and that just seems wrong and sad too.

Surely you still realise you'll never be a real woman in the sense that you'll never be able to give birth to a child, so what else seperates a man from a woman? As a man I can wear a pink dress if I wanted to or I could put on make up and all that stuff but I prefer not to.

I'm not trying to hurt or offend you I'm just curious so I apologise if this comes across as being an ass.

Originally posted by DJM8507
At the very least he should wait until he is old enough to truly understand. Although I can see the dilemma, if he waits and later decides to be a woman then the damage done to his body from puberty, etc, will be much greater than if it was prevented in the first place.

But that's the point.

Nothing permanent is being done. Blockers just give him more time.

Originally posted by karen61057
Me too ! Well kinda. I too thought that being a boy would be more fun. I liked being outdoors and I loved all kinds of creatures like frogs and snakes. Now, I would not trade my mascara for anything. But I still love them creatures.

I wanted to be a boy too.

It is not the same thing.

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The only thing that I can't do, is have a child. I don't want children. I'll always have a few features that are not flattering, but according to ATS' males, I not only pass as a female, but I'm hot. It's very important to catch this early in life, so that you can develop as a woman, and not as a man. That's why these parents are doing what they're doing. I went on hrt at age 17, when I left my parents home. I regret not doing it sooner, because I wanted to. My parents had the same attitude that many posters here have. Get me into guy things, and I'd straighten out. It didn't happen.

That's very true, nothing being done is permanent. They can take him off at any time, and his male hormones will assert themselves.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by DJM8507
At the very least he should wait until he is old enough to truly understand. Although I can see the dilemma, if he waits and later decides to be a woman then the damage done to his body from puberty, etc, will be much greater than if it was prevented in the first place.

But that's the point.

Nothing permanent is being done. Blockers just give him more time.

Physically is isn't 100% permanent, but mentally is another story. This kid is forming his core personality right now.

Originally posted by yourignoranceisbliss

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by facelift
11 years of life experience is not adequate to make this decision, . . .

Yes - actually it is old enough.

Many (probably most) transsexuals/transgenders (also gay/lesbian) are aware of their sexual identity in their primary years.

I don't think you fully understood the comment you quoted.

11 years of life is not enough experience in life to make such a big decision.

I know exactly what I said.

I follow this stuff very closely. Have for years.

Do you?

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
Physically is isn't 100% permanent, but mentally is another story. This kid is forming his core personality right now.

Exactly!

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When the blockers are removed, his core personality will change as well. When you undergo HRT or any hormone change in the body, it's common for your entire personality to change along with it. It may not develop in the same way that it would have, but he will still develop the masculine traits once the testosterone is aloud to run free, if that's what they do at all.

Ok.. After reading a considerable amount of replies.. I had to say a couple of things. One.. wow.. really.. this place is about knowledge and opening barriers to the mind. Not closing them. SOme replies I have been horrified by.

Two.. No one said this kid had no male influence in his life. No one said that his parents were man haters. Did you read the article?! In also stated that there were therapists and people involved in making this decision with the parents! This isn't some idle thing where two women have walked into a doctor and said.. I want these drugs for my kid, he wants to be a girl. In order for any doctor or psychologist to do this, there have to be years of therapy, study, tests and other things done before they decide on this course. Gain some knowledge about what is going on, or at least read the entire article before going off on some tangent.

Three... it isn't..permanent. Its going to stop some hormones for a while, and if in a few years he/she decides they want to be a boy.. then they quite simply stop the drugs! I'd like to know how many boys at even the age of 13 or so are running around hepped up testosterone freaks thinking about sex all the time! The way I remember it, boys hit puberty a bit later than girls. There are differences .. major ones in how the male/female body changes during this time.

What I see, is a lot of uninformed people making a lot of assumptions based on an article on FOX NEWS of all places, mainstream media hyping up what is probably a much more detailed and deeper story than any of us here on the internet realise. We have not lived with it or the family. We do not know.. nor is it mentioned what this child has gone through. Or the parents. We do not know.. what brought them to this decision. And from the research I have done.. some children seriously hurt themselves very young, or later in life.

There are.. chromosomal difference, and quite simply, someone can be an xxy, an xy, an xx, an xyy.. and other combinations. Science has PROVED this. Its physiological and mental. And they know it young, because their body .. does not feel right to them.

I'm not saying.. whether it is right or wrong. I know at 11, I had a brain, I was capable of very serious thought, and making large decisions on my own. Not all of us get those happy care free brady bunch lives where ponies and puppies are all we think about. this is not the world we live in.

Just... stop making assumptions. Its a small news article that tells a tiny part of a larger story. And most of you are getting the facts wrong from the article anyway, and jumping to conclusions and opinions based upon person feelings and emotions.

Sorry.. rant over. Let's use our brains?

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I'm still somewhat confused though..

A woman has breasts to feed her new born, they develop wider hips during puberty to make giving birth to a child easier which in turn gives them curves that we men do love. So if I see a woman with big boobs and some nice curves around the butt/waist area I think "damn hot" but really its my male role of reproduction making me think "thats good breeding material" right?

So, if you know you're never going to be able to give birth to a child and thus all of these features (boobs/hips/butt) have no use to you, why have you continued with the process? Is it a sexual thing where you like the attention of males because you possess some of these features?

Again, I'm confused so more feedback needed!

reply to post by Annee

But that's the point. Nothing permanent is being done. Blockers just give him more time.

As long as there are no significant permanent side effects, I dont really have a problem with this. According to what I googled, such therapy is pretty safe if used just for a few years, and delayed puberty occurs even naturally with no negative effects.

Originally posted by Tahnya86
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firstly people need to understand that transgenderisim is a actual mental and biologiccal problem from the day of conception,

I've followed LGBT issues for years because I worked with many and wanted to be informed.

I think its great we are now aware and understanding humans are all kinds of flavors of "mixed soup".

QUESTION: why do you think transgederism is a mental problem?

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Annee

 

But that's the point. Nothing permanent is being done. Blockers just give him more time.

As long as there are no significant permanent side effects, I dont really have a problem with this. According to what I googled, such therapy is pretty safe if used just for a few years, and delayed puberty occurs even naturally with no negative effects.

Right. There's always a chance of side effects in anything. Heck my kid was allergic to pectin - - which is in all kids medicines.

But - - everything I've read/heard/watched - - - about this - - indicates it is pretty safe. And gives the child a few more years to consider.

And you know - - if they are on this - - they have to be in counseling.

It really pisses me off that FOX is sensationalizing this because the parents are Lesbian.