Europe to destroy traditional family and sexual identity

Originally posted by spurge
I couldn't care less what this messed up world does anymore. Being gay is a mental disorder no different to pedophilia in my opinion and they should be looked at as such, and I honestly also couldn't care less about them, just keep them away from children and normal folk.

Also don't care what you think about me either, I know my family is happy, healthy and live a normal life away from the twisted world of the big city people.

Oh yes, isn't it amazing people like me exist hey? Just before you all comment on my NON PC view.

edit on 12-10-2011 by spurge because: (no reason given)

Dude, your view is not non-pc, it's drenched in stupidity, ignorance (tends to happen to people who don't live in cities and aren't around a VARIED bunch of other people), fear, bias, misunderstanding, and complete idiocy - i.e. keep gays away from your children? What makes you think straight teachers haven't diddled with them? You're the one with the mental disorder without even the manners or smarts to HIDE IT!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spurge
reply to post by Annee

 

That's the motto alright. And people supporting Gays are just that, ignorant!

Uh huh. Maybe when you grow up you'll have real knowledge.

Supporters of gay rights are winning - - Deal with it.


Sorry, but you are the one that needs knowledge. I bet you just learn everything of your television. It's on a chat show right, YEAH, must be real.

Originally posted by JustinSee
My God, where do these people come from that think pedophilia and homosexuality are the same thing? All your doing is making ATS look bad. Other than that, there are better things to complain about in this world.

I don't know - - but they always show up.

Taking a break from their caves - - I guess.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by thebtheb
Well I have no problem with the parent 1 and parent 2 thing IF it`s used when it`s needed. But I hope this isn`t the beginning of something so over the top politically correct that an actual mother and father are called Parent 1 and Parent 2. That`s a bit ridiculous. Oh, and I`m gay.

I am an actual mother.

So what? How does parent 1 - - - take anything away from me being a mother.

It doesn't. Ultimately, I don't have an overly strong leaning to avoid "Parent 1", but as I said, I fear the world is becoming increasingly politically correct. You don't have a problem with the term, but there may be people who do, and I don't see why they can't keep "Mother or Father" and why guardian or parent 1 can't be saved for situations where it's more needed. But you're right - it doesn't really matter.

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Like I said, I couldn't care less what you think of me, so, really, don't bother insulting me.

I think it's alright - u need minimum 1 parent as long as you're a minor (otherwise you're a ward of the state yuck!), and 2 parents is ideal. So it doesn't matter what their genders are as long as they teach their children with love and wisdom how to be good adults, kind & considerate & respectful, to themselves and to others. That's the job of any "parent" even when it's grandparents doing the parenting, or teachers, and sometimes the neighbors (because the bio-parents are too busy neglecting their child). So what does it matter if it's 2 men, 2 women, or 1 man & 1 woman. This phrasing simply prevents bigotry arising from pre-conceived notions against some members of society.

OF COURSE, being an ATS member, I do see how this could also be seen as the beginnings of administrative preparation for a time in the not-too-far future when the concept of a family-unit is distorted beyond recognition, and 'families' are more like a 'batch of kids, looked after by an assigned batch of adults' and none of the old stuff applies. Yes, I guess we could get paranoid and decide it's the start of something like that - or we could choose to see it as simple consideration of all members of society (who already have equal rights) to make things more comfortable for them.

Which is the correct choice?

Originally posted by spurge
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Like I said, I couldn't care less what you think of me, so, really, don't bother insulting me.

Hey you're the one that took the opportunity to post something that had little to do with the original topic just so you could vent your hatred, which is what you wanted to do. You clearly want to shout how much you hate homosexuals - enough to blurt it out when no one's even talking about it. What did you expect? Flowers and roses?

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He does a point with comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. We incarcerate pedophiles for their sexual attraction to children, and we diagnose them with mental disorders, while when homosexuals are attracted to their own sex it is somehow not a mental disorder but some kind of unchangeable condition. There is a double standard there.

And no, i am not saying a man screwing a man, or a woman with a woman is like a grown man or woman screwing a child.

Originally posted by thebtheb

It doesn't. Ultimately, I don't have an overly strong leaning to avoid "Parent 1", but as I said, I fear the world is becoming increasingly politically correct. You don't have a problem with the term, but there may be people who do, and I don't see why they can't keep "Mother or Father" and why guardian or parent 1 can't be saved for situations where it's more needed. But you're right - it doesn't really matter.

You're right I don't.

I lived in the 50s. I'm very aware of prejudices and the dominating majority deciding who is acceptable and who isn't.

The majority should not have that right.

Why should we keep Mother or Father? That's a silly ego thing. Parent should be the legal term.

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When i was in Army boot camp at ft.Beginning(A.K.A..Fort Benning) My DS used to say and i remember this from 17 years ago something that i never forgot and such true words were never spoken..COMMON SENSE IS A SENSE NOT VERY COMMON IN MOST COMMON PEOPLE.What you believe to be common sense is not...just say in .

Originally posted by Annee
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You have personal issues - - - and choose to relate them to this?

Your personal issue - - - has no connection to this.

My children's father was adopted. My children don't know who their "real" grandparents are. So what. Sure it would be nice to know - - - but a parent is the one who raises you.

So how does homosexual's personal issues outweigh mine and the truth about who kids real parents are?

I find your position on this callous and bias towards your political agendas. Sorry.

I assume you knew your real parents. So honestly you are speaking from ignorance yourself, and it feels rather heartless.

'Oh who cares who your real parents are'....really???
Sorry but those comments are pretty out of touch with the reality of a child's feelings.

reply to post by joshuaislord


Now that has probably got to be the most ignorant thing i have heard all day on this board.Do a little research into gay animals..seriously i almost peed my pant after reading what you said..classic

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by thebtheb

It doesn't. Ultimately, I don't have an overly strong leaning to avoid "Parent 1", but as I said, I fear the world is becoming increasingly politically correct. You don't have a problem with the term, but there may be people who do, and I don't see why they can't keep "Mother or Father" and why guardian or parent 1 can't be saved for situations where it's more needed. But you're right - it doesn't really matter.

You're right I don't.

I lived in the 50s. I'm very aware of prejudices and the dominating majority deciding who is acceptable and who isn't.

The majority should not have that right.

Why should we keep Mother or Father? That's a silly ego thing. Parent should be the legal term.

edit on 12-10-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

Again you are just being heartless so you can get your political agenda pushed forward without feeling guilty about how you honestly don't care about a child's well-being nor do you care if they ever know their real parents.

I think you are prejudiced in favor of some strange semantics debate to favor your personal political beliefs and in the process are screwing over countless children and robbing them of the TRUTH about their origins.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Annee
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You have personal issues - - - and choose to relate them to this?

Your personal issue - - - has no connection to this.

My children's father was adopted. My children don't know who their "real" grandparents are. So what. Sure it would be nice to know - - - but a parent is the one who raises you.

So how does homosexual's personal issues outweigh mine and the truth about who kids real parents are?

Real parents are the ones who raise you.

How long are you going to hang on to this and let it eat all your insides?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

You have personal issues - - - and choose to relate them to this?

Your personal issue - - - has no connection to this.

My children's father was adopted. My children don't know who their "real" grandparents are. So what. Sure it would be nice to know - - - but a parent is the one who raises you.

So how does homosexual's personal issues outweigh mine and the truth about who kids real parents are?

Real parents are the ones who raise you.

How long are you going to hang on to this and let it eat all your insides?

This is highly illogical.

Biological parents are who gave birth to me. That's the terminology I employed, and if you wanna just remain heartless and repeat your half-truth mantra all day go for it.

I personally care about kids who don't know their origins. I care about the truth and reality.

And it can ruin a kids mentality to put them with someone who isn't their real parent and lie to them every day telling them "oh we are your REAL parents".

Are you in favor of lying to kids to make them have false happiness? Like Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, etc? I am not a big fan of lying, but that's just me.

reply to post by wlord


Sorry to break the bad news to ya but ..(whisper in your ear..)THERE HAVE BEEN HOMOSEXUALS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME..again sorry to burst your bubble.

Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
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He does a point with comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. We incarcerate pedophiles for their sexual attraction to children, and we diagnose them with mental disorders, while when homosexuals are attracted to their own sex it is somehow not a mental disorder but some kind of unchangeable condition. There is a double standard there.

And no, i am not saying a man screwing a man, or a woman with a woman is like a grown man or woman screwing a child.

Okay, the LAST thing I am is the spokesman for gays. I'm one of the least militant gays I know. I just live my life. BUT...you ARE comparing pedophilia to homosexuality. We don't incarcerate pedophiles for their sexual attraction to children nim-friggin'-wit - we incarcerate them because they've forced a minor to have sex with them against their consent.

And seriously, usually I have a lot of patience and understanding for people that despise homosexuality. I tell this to other gays all the time: I say to people that the way others feel about homosexuality is the WAY THEY FEEL. Sometimes it's very ingrained in them, either from upbringing, or religion, or not actually knowing any gays, or SIMPLY BECAUSE TO THEIR LOGIC, they find it unnatural. And we shouldn't expect them to just like it because society or parts of society tell them they should. I have NO PROBLEM with that.

What really blows my mind though is that utter absence of any empathy and sympathy for homosexuals. As if homosexuals have committed some crime against YOU. If you're right, and it's a disease, I'd expect compassion like we give anyone who has a disease. I'd expect you to realize that for homosexuals, it was a HARD childhood and an incredibly confusing thing.

But no - there's always this 100% absolute denial of any of that, and just this vile hatred, which pretty well proves to me the cliche that it's something that you not so much hate, but are just terrified of. Otherwise, the hatred would not be so obvious and strong.

I love this whole idea of "it's supposed to be some kind of unchangeable condition" Really? Well why don't you see how easy it is for YOU to be attracted to a woman you're actually NOT attracted to? A women you feel is unattractive. Change THAT!

Do you think I didn't try to be straight? How STUPID are you? I tried for years when I was a child and teen to BE straight. I avoided being gay and tried to TRAIN myself to be straight. I bought girl porn and desperately tried to get off on it. Others go further, and get married to women and ruin their own lives as well as the poor women they're married to.

I was lucky and discovered I could NOT change it. Not because I didn't want to - but because I couldn't!

Now - I'm fine with it and laugh at those days that I was trying to change it. The ONLY reason I was trying to change it was because I knew that people like you would and did exist.

But don't tell me or any other gay for that matter, that they can change it. And don't quote me ANY of that garbage about supposed documented cases of people who have - they're ALL fundamentalist Christians and the success rate is...um... ZERO!

So I don't have a problem that you don't like homosexuality, but do NOT equate it with pedophilia and then pretend you're not, and do NOT tell me what I'm capable of changing or not.

There - my militant friends would FREAK if they saw this post.

Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by thebtheb

 

He does a point with comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. We incarcerate pedophiles for their sexual attraction to children, and we diagnose them with mental disorders, while when homosexuals are attracted to their own sex it is somehow not a mental disorder but some kind of unchangeable condition. There is a double standard there.

These things are unrelated.

For starters, in most countries it isn't illegal to be sexually attracted to a child. Pedophiles are are arrested for acting on their desires, not for having them. Also, mental disorders are often classified under rules of giving the 'patient' distress and various other rules ... Being gay doesn't generally distress a person, or make them want to damage another or do anything illegal. Though a psychiatrist will assist a person if they find being gay distressing.

Next, sex with children is generally agreed to be harmful to a child's development. Which means it's pretty much zero to do with gender at all in this case.

Thirdly, what does any of this have to do with a change to passport forms???!!!! It's just another hyperbolic gaysplosion reaction from many persons. Said it a million times ... is frustrating that threads like this get so much attention from the planet.

I could headshot a major politician and get less attention that this. Commit murder and get less attention than what is roughly equivolent to someone making a typo. / And oddly ... there would be just as much complaining if forms had a special section added for special families. You can't win!

Biology has very little to do with passport applications as far as I can tell!

Originally posted by earthship35
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Sorry to break the bad news to ya but ..(whisper in your ear..)THERE HAVE BEEN HOMOSEXUALS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME..again sorry to burst your bubble.

This statement is incorrect and illogical.

The "beginning of time" was most likely a desolate universe with no life existing within it.

Every science theory, and religious idea claims that life came after the beginning, it did not exist at the beginning however.

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I am with you all the way sister.It really saddens me that people still think this way.I am so glad my parents didn't put that vile evil in my head growing up.I really don't like religion and 75% of the things it stands for.Why this day and age people still believe being gay is a choice or something boggles my mind..It has been here forever but at least now most rationale people are giving them the rights they deserve..