This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

reply to post by Convicted


Ha ha. I agree about the slob Michael Moore. He also demands over 50,000 dollars for his rants. If these people are wanting change. They need to start protesting in mass at the fed. Then you will see a much bigger police presence.

reply to post by FrenchOsage


LOL!

What government grants did they get that would equal the $100 billion dollars they have given to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?

Originally posted by Convicted
reply to post by Jezus

 

Well tell Bill Gates and Warren Buffet that.
They each are giving at least $50 billion dollars away.
I guess they are just stupid with money.

You know? I keep hearing this, over and over, but haven't seen any physical proof of these donations. They are all talk. They are wagging your tail, lol. You see? Funny thing is these protests are all part of the plan that started 189-190 days ago. The elite are guiding you and you're following, just like the Brooklyn Bridge. They are also laughing at you, BTW.

Oh, and before you bring up the Buffet-Budget, you should know that 'he' (richest guy in US) won't even be effected!!! Oh no, not even one dime. You see, he only earns 100K a year. In the eyes of the IRS, he is one of the working class the administration keeps telling us about.

We can raise taxes to 100% for the wealthy, and all it will do chase the 'evil rich guys' to another country that doesn't penalize for making too much. There will always be rich people; some who make their riches honestly, those who get a dowry, those who do so criminally. The more money one has, the less likely any of it will be taken by force. Poor can be strong-armed out of their monies, but not the rich. The rich flee. They flee because they can afford to flee. If we chase them away, they will take their money and spend it lavishly in another country. Just look at Clinton's trade policies that made it more lucrative to move businesses outside of America.

Tax is a discipline. Governments use tax to change the behaviors of its citizens. Taxes are added to expenditures that government see as excessive; fuel, cigarettes, liquor. Think about it for a minute. If the government taxes job creators, what is the behavior they are trying to change? Jobs!

Back to my point
Our President is an experienced community organizer. His experience is with organizing Chicago communities to protest and get loud to get what he told them they wanted. He was very successful, 'they' (communities doing his work - selling his agenda) did not fare as well He is THE organizer of the organizers. The big papa.

Unfortunately, our President has very bad friends. Very bad. They do not like you. They do not like me. They do not like America. They are destroying their 'bad guy'. Their 'bad guy' is the U.S. They are pulling the strings here, on these protests. 'They' are organizing these in different citys.They started pulling the strings and started the plan about 190 days ago. You are the plan's Challenge Group. Union members are it's Constituents. You are helping them 'justify' the next action that the administration is going to take. IMO the next action will be to nationalize the banks by Executive Order. And, no matter what you've been told, nationalizing the banks is a VERY bad idea (think Fed Reserve, but on a more US citizen level - ex: instead of paying fees for bounced checks, you'd now go to a federal prison).

Or, it may be to nationalize Wall Street. Either way, not good!

You all have very sincere reasons for protesting and I believe most of us here agree with your causes. Unfortunately, this is not the way to do it. So many are so quick to reply, "you just don't get it". We are trying to tell you "YES, we do get it and we do get you" and we are totally on your side, but we are not on THEIR side.

I'm asking some of you to please, please step back for just a day or two and look at the big picture. We can get more of what we want when we use the same psychological tactics they are using on us. If any of you believe a tiny bit in psychological warfare, then please keep that in your mind while you are out there raw rawing for Wall Street. Because that is exactly what you are doing. That was not a typo, 'for' Wall Street.

LOL!

What government grants did they get that would equal the $100 billion dollars they have given to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?

That may sound like a lot of money to you. It's nothing to this government.

reply to post by gncnew

ahhhh, hello there and i've enjoyed reading your commentary but was slightly confused why you didn't target the top of the food chain myself ... then, you wrote this ...

Where do you think the financial "mess" started. The Federal Reserve is a governmental institution. You can hate the players or hate the game...

and that filled in the blank, thanks.

tip: while you make many a good point, please as previously suggested, do some research
why you may ask ??? because the Federal Reserve is NOT and NEVER was a government institution of ANY kind.
It is a private entity with a Board of Governors specifically designed to consistently and openly pilfer the wealth of the citizenry with the appeasement and assistance of Congress
( all of them since day 1 - no BS really, check history, if the politician couldn't be bought, he/she was ... shall we say coerced )
Wall St is nothing more than a pawn in the game ... a tool, a trap, a scape-goat, nothing of value ... it is the Wall of Illusion.

Agreed that this ?movement? is misplaced on a variety of levels, however, moving to DC would prove pointless and ultimately ineffective.

perhaps simultaneous protests at all 12 locations nationwide, might get their attention
but so far, this is mostly annoying and rapidly approaching embarrassing.

tip: FR established 1921 ... for a good start and an interesting read ... The Day Wall Street Exploded by Beverly Gage ... one review
ebookstore preview

here's a few other helpful links: 112th ... constitution ... genome hackers ... and ... FR

and yes, the Morgan and Goldman mentioned in the book are related to the ones today ... those connections run very deep and wide in our history.
personal disclosure -- i'm all for a protest with a defined goal.
i'm all for a protest against the proper target.
i'm also all for 're-distributing or outsourcing or simply nullifying' the 112th Congress but this current mish-mash of ghoulash isn't any of the above.

Do you know anyone who receives these grants? I do, I I know the numbers.

Originally posted by RandomThought
You guys obviously don't know what occupy wallstreet is all about. You think its all children then you are just plain and simple being ignorant. I'm not going to sit here and explain what its all about, its all over the web and easy to obtain information.

You think people are doing this because they don't want to work? are you kidding me?

good, don't explain it.


we can see the writing on the wall anyway.

i've seen the clips of these "protesters" it's laughable.

haven't seen it portrayed in a positive light anywhere.

Oh! I think those bankers are aliens and not just greedy humans!

Found this story:

blog.timparkinson.net...


Apparently photoshoped picture of New York are circulating which have been modified to make it look like a huge number of people were there, when the place was actually empty. It is being claimed that the MSM are covering up the truth about the demo's. It is of course all lies.

Why would people be putting together these lies? To discredit the conspiricy theorists? Dumb. Perhaps to cause mistrust which is then directed at the marchers and the demo's themselves?

All stems from the same misunderstandings, or refusal to undersstand, what the demo's are all about in the first place. Which is why I chose to put this responce in this thread. As an example of extreme and dishonest people can become when they don't take the time to find out about things in detail before they start to formulate an opinion on it.

Most seem unaware that they are modern serfs, why not make the spin more interesting.

reply to post by Shamatt


So everyone is happy, or complacent?

reply to post by gncnew

I'm also having trouble understanding the protesters, but then, in reflection, I never protested, I worked to change things that ired me.

I think my difficulty in grasping what people are protesting about is also due to my living in an area that still has its AAA rating, I've had steady employment since I was sixteen, not always in my chosen field, but always could just walk out and get a job by applying. My sister's kids, all under 25, are making money hand over fist. They've told me that they've been offered jobs while they were working at their job, and honestly, the same thing happened to me several times. For some people, there's more than jobs enough, but I know some people that can't get a job at all.

There are three foreclosures on my block, and businesses have closed, and inflation is taking it's toll, so it's not like I'm living in Utopia, but I can see that things are a lot different for my area than it must be in New York.
It is harder to make ends meet, I've taken on extra jobs, but maybe I'm buoyed by the Carter years, thinking that this too, shall pass. I can't imagine how bad off it must be in New York to cause all people to rush into the streets.
I have a cousin, and I'm not saying this to be cruel to the protesters, but he lives in his mom's basement, and hasn't worked a day since he was 24. He's 39 now. He'll be going to the Occupy event near us. I can see where he would want to. He literally has nothing but his computer and his bed. I don't know how, if the protesters are successful in their goals, any of this would benefit him. If any posters have a clue of this, please tell me.

I'm not sure if I would feel confident enough to dictate morality for others. By saying others are greedy, I want their money, doesn't that make me greedy, also? How does one stop greed, btw? Even in heavy regulated countries, there's still graft, bribery and the black market.

reply to post by SourGrapes

I do not believe there is any counter. I think were screwed either way.

reply to post by SourGrapes


This is not part of the "plan". First of all, if it were part of this government's plan, it wouldn't be orchestrated so well for this all to come to fruition. Nothing that these protests are doing will justify a nationalization of our banks. What you might see, however, is these banks failing, which would lead to a justification that they needed to be nationalized. In a way, they are already nationalized, but the thing is that the government cannot even manage its own systems, so how could they maintain entire control of our financial institutions without orchestrating a major restructuring of our economy and political system. They've tried in small ways, don't get me wrong, and they've tried to push their way into private banking and financial institutions and take control, but it overwhelmingly fails. The only thing the government is justifying is something close to revolution. If these banks collapse within the next few weeks or months our political structures on a global level will begin to collapse with it.

If there are powers that are orchestrating this entire thing, you have to ask yourself, "What is the intention?" Is it evil? Will we all be oppressed and lied to and cheated and enslaved? Is it good? Will the governments truly return to the people? Or is there no "plan" at all?

For one, if there is a plan and I have to choose a side, I'm going to choose the side that will bring me and the people I love freedom. To me, I see a lot of evidence that leads me to believe that a lot of people are waking up. People are asking questions. People see the lies and deceit and the inequality. People are actually leaving the safety of their homes, in front of their televisions and heading to the streets. If this is all some ploy to shake the bees out of the nest and to crack down and cull any sort of free thinking, then that's fine with me, I'd rather be dead and free than be living under tyranny.

While things have yet to be that dramatic, it almost isn't that much of a stretch at this point, is it?

Personally, I tend on not giving government this much credit. I tend to think that this is cut-and-dry the actual reality of things and that there are two very different ideological sides to choose from. One representing freedom and the other not so much. At this point, I am not fighting for either side, but merely spectating and trying to develop the most coherent, logical understanding that I can.

It seems like it's becoming easier and easier to question reality so much that you're no longer even a part of it. Don't let it happen to you. Think about everything. Question everything. But don't fall into the void in the process. If you stare at the light too long, eventually you will go blind. We are human, and when it comes down to it, the choice to act is ultimately yours. Both good and bad can be found in humanity. It's important to understand that. As long as there is good in your own soul, there is hope in this world.

We are screwed, our sin is actually no realizing we have been screwed!

Resonant...wordy but unnecessary...you see what you argue against has already happened.

reply to post by FrenchOsage


We are already serfs...how can a serf argue for freedom?

Originally posted by FrenchOsage
reply to post by FrenchOsage

 

We are already serfs...how can a serf argue for freedom?

When you understand that you are no longer, nor were you ever, a serf. You are serf, a sheep, a body, for as long as you let yourself. If you eat every morsel that the government feeds you, then you are a serf. If you know more about what's happening on "X-Factor" or "American Idol" or "Dancing With the Stars", then you are a serf. It's a choice and it's an understanding, but most don't even know it exists. It's interesting though, the reason why this is happening is a culmination of things (environmental, political, economical, unemployment, inflation, poverty, etc.), and it's shaking people out of bed. If the system cannot provide you with a place or a purpose or a job, then you are no longer part of the system. When your benefits run out, then you are no longer part of the system. The system spits you out and you can finally see the world for how it really is. You can wake up from the lobotomy life you've been living. Eventually, you start seeing through the glass ceiling that's above you. You see the inequity and then your eyes start to open.

Is this freedom? Not yet.

reply to post by SourGrapes

Very well said! I have been saying the same thing but not quite so eloquently

I believe if the level headed and sincere of these protestors had clue how many people are watching, hoping to find them worthy of our support.

They have to be willing to focus and gain public support to be truly effective. To do that they need a clear view of the big picture ASIDE from all the propaganda they have been fed all through school.

I keep my fingers crossed

I applaud anyone taking the time to talk to them earnestly.

Thank you.

Originally posted by EspyderMan

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I hate to put it this way, but lets see how many of the kids have the stomach for this after the first couple ambulances roll off with injured protesters after police actually *DO* get a little rough with a couple of them. I don't mean Mace that wears off in a short time, either. The Egyptians would have loved for Mace to be all they dealt with. Libyans would call the New York Police response Mana from Heaven as Syrian Security Forces are just shooting them.

Agreed, when things really do get serious, these face-painted clowns will hide.

Hopefully people have the balls to hit back when the corporate mercenaries start getting hostile. I would have no problem clubbing a few cops upside the head if they felt the need to protect corporate criminals with violence against the people. I don't care how anyone compares this to the Middle Easts protests; are you saying we should wait until they start shooting us in our cities streets to stand up and do something?