Occupy Wall Street Has Begun!

Originally posted by hapablab
live stream protest 9/19

at 17.05 mins in.

well they are upset at the treatment they recieved this morning by the NYPD, but at 17:05 mins into this video they were telling them to provoke the police, wtf, how can I take them seriously now, you can't cry about it now after making plans to provoke them. Double standard, shady and cowardly.

Pathetic.

How did they provoke the police EXACTLY? By being there? Its a mass of people each with their own idea of what needs to be done. If you'd been watching since Saturday you'd know that there were a few "loose cannons" pining for action and riots.. they were quickly dismissed by the larger group and invited to create a group and to act on their own if that was their wish.

Just like some of us would like to go in there "guns blazing".. others ( the majority) realize that peacefull protest must reign for the people to recognized their true intent. Otherwise people like you misconstrue the optics of a video or picture and write them off.. please don't be that guy.

Originally posted by Iiquiringmind

Originally posted by hapablab
live stream protest 9/19

at 17.05 mins in.

well they are upset at the treatment they recieved this morning by the NYPD, but at 17:05 mins into this video they were telling them to provoke the police, wtf, how can I take them seriously now, you can't cry about it now after making plans to provoke them. Double standard, shady and cowardly.

Pathetic.

How did they provoke the police EXACTLY? By being there? Its a mass of people each with their own idea of what needs to be done. If you'd been watching since Saturday you'd know that there were a few "loose cannons" pining for action and riots.. they were quickly dismissed by the larger group and invited to create a group and to act on their own if that was their wish.

Just like some of us would like to go in there "guns blazing".. others ( the majority) realize that peacefull protest must reign for the people to recognized their true intent. Otherwise people like you misconstrue the optics of a video or picture and write them off.. please don't be that guy.

edit on 20-9-2011 by Iiquiringmind because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-9-2011 by Iiquiringmind because: Added quaotation marks to guns blazing , in case someone think I'm actually going there with guns.. I'M NOT its a figure of speach.

AH BULL!, I've actually been following this since Sat, and when I heard that yesterday live, It wasn't the first time, they had a band sunday night singing F* the police, and all for a select few disagree'd, the majority sung along screaming those words. Stop finding an excuse for these excuses.

watch the live streaming video here:

www.livestream.com...

Please donate whatever you can when they post a donation link later this evening. The time is now. We have been waiting for a change and this is it!

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by yeti101

 

Originally posted by yeti101
[...]
USA is a diffirent ball game , a lot of people there equate socialised medecine to communism which to us in europe is totally insane. Its like a lot of them have been brainwashed by propoganda. I think the USA is a lost cause until it collapses completely .

Im afraid you are right about this, I came to the same conclusion lately.
There are some terms that have a totally different meaning for (most) US Americans than they do for us Europeans, for instance patriotism.
Although the dictionary says the "correct"definition, the general understanding differs alot... Im not sure why, but it could well be propaganda or the bad condition of their educational system.

edit on 20-9-2011 by ColCurious because: grammar

Centralized planning failed in the former USSR, and you don't seem to connect the failure of all these banks and baking systems to the systemic failure of centralized banking combined with socialism worldwide....and you have to blame it on Capitalism, because that's what Marxian socialism does.

Originally posted by wolfwood290
watch the live streaming video here:

www.livestream.com...

Please donate whatever you can when they post a donation link later this evening. The time is now. We have been waiting for a change and this is it!

Did we just have a our first In-thread commercial asking for money?
I would have taken it a bit more seriously but they asked for money.
Next time just post a link.

Originally posted by hapablab

Originally posted by Iiquiringmind

Originally posted by hapablab
live stream protest 9/19

at 17.05 mins in.

well they are upset at the treatment they recieved this morning by the NYPD, but at 17:05 mins into this video they were telling them to provoke the police, wtf, how can I take them seriously now, you can't cry about it now after making plans to provoke them. Double standard, shady and cowardly.

Pathetic.

How did they provoke the police EXACTLY? By being there? Its a mass of people each with their own idea of what needs to be done. If you'd been watching since Saturday you'd know that there were a few "loose cannons" pining for action and riots.. they were quickly dismissed by the larger group and invited to create a group and to act on their own if that was their wish.

Just like some of us would like to go in there "guns blazing".. others ( the majority) realize that peacefull protest must reign for the people to recognized their true intent. Otherwise people like you misconstrue the optics of a video or picture and write them off.. please don't be that guy.

edit on 20-9-2011 by Iiquiringmind because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-9-2011 by Iiquiringmind because: Added quaotation marks to guns blazing , in case someone think I'm actually going there with guns.. I'M NOT its a figure of speach.

AH BULL!, I've actually been following this since Sat, and when I heard that yesterday live, It wasn't the first time, they had a band sunday night singing F* the police, and all for a select few disagree'd, the majority sung along screaming those words. Stop finding an excuse for these excuses.

"Undercover law enforcement peppered the crowd dressed as the infamous “black bloc” communist group, some wore Guy Faux masks the trademark of Anonymous. They walked the crowd observing and taking photos cataloging the “activist groups” in attendance. The under covers are easily identifiable by their muscular stature among a sea of lanky activists, as well as their baggy clothes that conceal ankle holsters, military issue boots and their body language also exposes them as they are clearly uncomfortable in their environment.

The black bloc is infamous for provacatuering violence at these types of rallies and law enforcement has repeatedly been exposed posing as Black bloc to incite violence to justify a police crackdown on protest activities as was the case at the G20 summit protests in Toronto Canada last spring." ~ truthsquad.tv...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by yeti101

 

Originally posted by yeti101
[...]
USA is a diffirent ball game , a lot of people there equate socialised medecine to communism which to us in europe is totally insane. Its like a lot of them have been brainwashed by propoganda. I think the USA is a lost cause until it collapses completely .

Im afraid you are right about this, I came to the same conclusion lately.
There are some terms that have a totally different meaning for (most) US Americans than they do for us Europeans, for instance patriotism.
Although the dictionary says the "correct"definition, the general understanding differs alot... Im not sure why, but it could well be propaganda or the bad condition of their educational system.

edit on 20-9-2011 by ColCurious because: grammar

Centralized planning failed in the former USSR, and you don't seem to connect the failure of all these banks and baking systems to the systemic failure of centralized banking combined with socialism worldwide....and you have to blame it on Capitalism, because that's what Marxian socialism does.

"While for the most part the protesters seem to be leftists, communists and socialists calling for an end to capitalism, there is also a contingent of tea partiers, libertarians and anarcho-capitalists calling for an end to “crony” capitalism and corporate fascism." ~ truthsquad.tv...

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

I didn't say that I'm for centralized planning or communism and the former USSR is definitely not my utopia.
I'm not even against capitalism itself but against the unregulated malpractice in its financial system and unlimited corporate influence that led to the crisis on our hands.
I simply agreed with yeti101 that in the USA today some terms are used wrong or equations are false.

Universal health care or a universal educational system is not communism.
Social demorcacy (as in germany for example) is not socialism AND repudiates communism.
If your government cuts down your freedoms and disregards the constitution... and you let that happen just because they call it "patriot act" ... you're not a patriot.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
Take your own advice, I'm the one telling you to cut the crap, you can't turn that around on me for calling you out, soldier boy.

You're not calling anybody out.
Try not to confuse that hamster wheel squeaking away in your head for a proper thought process and believe you are accomplishing anything

The topic was Occupy Wall Street Has Begun! not how my military "member" swings but I do confess I find it rather odd that a grown man would find that a fascinating subject.

edit on 20-9-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

You were completely off topic yourself. Stop being a hypocrite and trying to take some moral high ground pretending you never did anything wrong... that's what bad politicians and compulsive liars do, and typically they're right-wingers. You fit that bill quite snugly. And considering how you've been boasting and playing macho, you probably don't swing much at all... and for that, I pity you.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

Great Thinkers? which ones? Karl Marx, Engels, Hegel? Yes yes I know all about them. You may have your opinion and I may have mine. Mine is that good hearts are led astray by the putrid stench of a failed ideology which does not work in practice.
Did you know that the US taxpayers may end up picking up the tab for an Italian baillout courtesy of the IMF? That is real news. Why should I be on the hook for failed Italian economy? It's who is behind this protest that bothers me, and what the real agenda is. I bet some of these people are professional protesters who move from one protest to the next, you know like from Greece to Egypt and now to the States. I was watching the livestream and they seem to be veterans some of them. They give advice on how to come as close as they can without getting arrested.

ANd just so you know, if you are a leftist, than the State is your Master. That is premiere in the Communist Manifesto. The State is Supreme. Although Marx did say the State would eventually wither away but it doesn't and it hasn't. Your dream of a self-governing proletariat Utopia is an illusion. In the meantime you seem to think you are entitled to another's paycheck just because Marx said so.

edit on 20-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

You have no idea what you're talking about. You need an elementary education on what right/left is. Please see:
www.politicalcompass.org...

I didn't watch much in the way of video on the protest. What I did see was a bit of a mix, what did encourage me is there seemed to be a goodly amount of young people actually wanting some good change. There is hope I just wish they saw that WallStreet isn't the true enemy

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I didn't say that I'm for centralized planning or communism and the former USSR is definitely not my utopia.
I'm not even against capitalism itself but against the unregulated malpractice in its financial system and unlimited corporate influence that led to the crisis on our hands.
I simply agreed with yeti101 that in the USA today some terms are used wrong or equations are false.

Universal health care or a universal educational system is not communism.
Social demorcacy (as in germany for example) is not socialism AND repudiates communism.
If your government cuts down your freedoms and disregards the constitution... and you let that happen just because they call it "patriot act" ... you're not a patriot.

edit on 20-9-2011 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

i think it was a cascade effect. like dominoes falling down, one after the other. it started with social programs, which called for more taxes, fees, fines, permits for collecting more fees fines and taxes, till people couldn't own businesses anymore, in the vacuum, megacorps came in and took up the empty spots because they not only could afford all the fees, taxes, fines and permits, but they had friends in high places that little businesses didn't... not a deliberate thing, a fact of life.. if you know people they tend to help ya out and you help them.

to keep the economy from tanking as a result, anti taxation sentiment kicked in because it was threatening to not only ruin mom and pop busniesses but mega corps too. so now it's been a back and forth argument about why megacorps aren't paying the fair share, cause they've been given tax breaks/shelters to keep them from going under as well. but the socialists want everyone to work for the gov so they can micromanage every waking moment of your life and determine if you're even worth allowing to live or not, so they want to see the megacorps tank as well.

they call this a war against the exceesses of capitalism, but what it really boils down to is a handful of people will have everything, and the rest of us will wait in line for a roll of toilet paper, for 5 hours, in the snow, and that's if we're allowed to live, cause religion and skin color seem to be hand in hand with the philosophy going on right now.

i bet the racists in the socialist party, are laughing at all the white kids walking their own heads to the gallows.

THE REAL WAR IS AGAINST ECONOMIC TERRORISM AND NOT SOME SUICIDAL PERSON W A BOMB.

ISNT USA SUPPOSED TO BE AT WAR AGAINST TERRORISM??

SEEMS USA SUPPORTS ECONOMIC TERRORISM, ISREAL TO.

THE KHAZARS UNDER THE INSTRUCTION OF THE KING AROUND 740AD CONVERTERED TO JEWISH FAITH BECOMING ASHKENAZI JEWISH. LOCATION GEORGIA,RUSSIA.

THE REAL WAR IS AGAINST THESE FOLKS AND ALOT OF THEM ARE EMBEDDED IN OUR PRESIDENTUAL CABINET.

EVERYSINGLE PRIMEMINESTER OF IRSEAL SINCE STATEHOOD HAS BEEN ASHKENAZI JEWISH.

www.pakalertpress.com...

www.iamthewitness.com...

AND JUST BECAUSE I HATE WHAT BUSH'S ALLOWED TO HAPPEN

bushwatch.com...

BACK TO PEACFUL DEMOSTRATION, PRAY TO ANYTHING IT WORKS!

reply to post by Swingline50022


Very interesting. Thanks for posting that link.

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

Great Thinkers? which ones? Karl Marx, Engels, Hegel? Yes yes I know all about them. You may have your opinion and I may have mine. Mine is that good hearts are led astray by the putrid stench of a failed ideology which does not work in practice.
Did you know that the US taxpayers may end up picking up the tab for an Italian baillout courtesy of the IMF? That is real news. Why should I be on the hook for failed Italian economy? It's who is behind this protest that bothers me, and what the real agenda is. I bet some of these people are professional protesters who move from one protest to the next, you know like from Greece to Egypt and now to the States. I was watching the livestream and they seem to be veterans some of them. They give advice on how to come as close as they can without getting arrested.

ANd just so you know, if you are a leftist, than the State is your Master. That is premiere in the Communist Manifesto. The State is Supreme. Although Marx did say the State would eventually wither away but it doesn't and it hasn't. Your dream of a self-governing proletariat Utopia is an illusion. In the meantime you seem to think you are entitled to another's paycheck just because Marx said so.

edit on 20-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

You have no idea what you're talking about. You need an elementary education on what right/left is. Please see:
www.politicalcompass.org...

You know what? it's people like you who think you know all there is to know. No, I DONT need any education from you, and especially not on the left/right thing. I bet I knew about it before you were born. I'm just so sick of the leftist socialist bull and all the intimidation and people saying that anyone who doesn't agree is just stupid. I've heard of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals too. People who don't know what they are talking about suddenly start to spout that left equals right and there is no difference. No, left is left, right is right, and the clash of opposites produces the synthesis. That synthesis is what Antony Sutton says is the NWO, the outcome of all this clashing of opposites and is neither right nor left. If you mean that the two faux parties are the same, you might be partially correct. But socialism is still what it is, and is not a viable solution.
Lesson over.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I didn't say that I'm for centralized planning or communism and the former USSR is definitely not my utopia.
I'm not even against capitalism itself but against the unregulated malpractice in its financial system and unlimited corporate influence that led to the crisis on our hands.
I simply agreed with yeti101 that in the USA today some terms are used wrong or equations are false.

Universal health care or a universal educational system is not communism.
Social demorcacy (as in germany for example) is not socialism AND repudiates communism.
If your government cuts down your freedoms and disregards the constitution... and you let that happen just because they call it "patriot act" ... you're not a patriot.

edit on 20-9-2011 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

As a matter of fact, "I" didn't let that happen. My congresspersons did, both left and right. I personally happened to oppose the Patriot Act and I let the RNC know it when they called asking for donations. Also I gave a Power Point Presentation in class on the PATRIOT ACT with EPIC as one of my references. As I have said before here, I used the DARPA Illuminati logo on every page.

Social Democracy is fine for Germany. They can have it. I don't want it to replace the Representative Republic the Founding Fathers of American set up.
Thanks.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I didn't say that I'm for centralized planning or communism and the former USSR is definitely not my utopia.
I'm not even against capitalism itself but against the unregulated malpractice in its financial system and unlimited corporate influence that led to the crisis on our hands.
I simply agreed with yeti101 that in the USA today some terms are used wrong or equations are false.

Universal health care or a universal educational system is not communism.
Social demorcacy (as in germany for example) is not socialism AND repudiates communism.
If your government cuts down your freedoms and disregards the constitution... and you let that happen just because they call it "patriot act" ... you're not a patriot.

edit on 20-9-2011 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

In fact Universal healthcare is a socialist plan and socialism is a bridge to communism. An intermediary step if you will. Nothing is for free and somebody has to pay for it. That means redistribution of income or high taxation to pay for it. Under Universal healthcare, the government becomes the broker in the system, thereby making it either communist or socialist if you will as the rest of the system goes with the State owning the means of production. The Soviets implemented a centralized control of all the means of production and it failed miserably.
ALso, there is the little matter in Obamacare of forcing someone to buy a product. An appeals court declared this unConstitutional. I do love that Constitution of ours.
If Obama had not been President Hillary would have introduced it, in which case we would have dubbed it HillaryCare, just like with Romney;s State verson was dubbed Romneycare.
Oh, and another thing about that plan, is that part of it was actually implemented with the Stimulus passed earlier, under the guise of stimulating the economy. Money from that is actually being used to upgrade databases to house electronic health records of patients. There was also created another huge bureaucracy. Perhaps you didn't know that Admiral Poindexter, under the auspices of fighting terrorism, wanted a huge database connecting all health records and traffic records of everyone in America, connected by supercomputers. It was struck down by Congress because there were still some there who believed in privacy rights and they said there was too much possibility for abuse.
Ok soooo Stimulus produces an electronic database bureacracy, Obamacare produces Draconian healthcare designed to in the long run facilitate healthcare rationing.
Now if you want to call this process something other than socialism be my guest but it is what it is.

reply to post by undo


Yes, communism, it failed in the Soviet Union. And why do so many in the world still want to experiment with various aspects of it?

reply to post by ColCurious

unregulated malpractice

The administration already passed economic reforms. You want more? You think that more govt bureaucracy will fix all this stuff? You say the problem is with not being regulated. That must mean you want more regulations on top of this

www.france24.com...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by ColCurious

 

unregulated malpractice

The administration already passed economic reforms. You want more? You think that more govt bureaucracy will fix all this stuff? You say the problem is with not being regulated. That must mean you want more regulations on top of this

www.france24.com...

oh no wonder they are in the streets protesting! they are afraid we're gonna fix this # and there's evidence we're actually doing so already. they gotta hurry and crash the system before we reclaim our country and their using our young people to further this goal.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
In fact Universal healthcare is a socialist plan and socialism is a bridge to communism. An intermediary step if you will.

No its not, but this is exactly what I meant... where did you get this from? Honest question, who told you that?

The origins of universal healthcare go back to the german "Health Insurance Bill" in 1883, first introduced by Otto von Bismarck, who was ultrakonservative(!).
After WW2 (during the "Health care reform") most of our current universal healthcare systems were implemented, according to the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" (wich include the right to health!), which was ratified by every member of the general assembly EXCEPT THE USA.

Sure, "somebody" has to pay for it... how about everybody?
To jump to the conclusion that this would require the state to own all means of production is just false.
There are many various ways providing health insurance and modern universal healthcare systems are mostly a "public-private mix" and it works... right here... today.

Socialism is NOT communism and neither a intermediary step towards it.
Thats just what Marx and Engels WANTED it to be and what Lenin CLAIMED it to be... but its not, there are fundamental differences.
Who wants you to believe Marx, Engels and Lenin were right about this? Who taught you this?

Oh, and I meant YOU (as in "you US Americans") are no patriots (if you let your government # on the principles your nation was based upon) not you personally.
I'm not sure though if your founding fathers would count a power point presentation as resistance...
Just kidding