Job! Jobs! Jobs! Cheering on our own slavery. Employment bubble popped. Fight against work.

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S&F awesome post that I agree with completely.

I can tell you from my work experience over the past 10 years the treatment and concern for employees has significantly decreased.

This is because like you said Jobs are directly tied to survival through SHELTER and FOOD. This relationship of job/survival is what keeps people accepting and dealing with less pay, more work, less benefits, less, less and less...because lets face it, what are they going to do? Quit? Remove the indirect support they and their family receive from that paycheck?

Where I work the turnover rate is so high because of working conditions, liability on staff due to contradictory CYA (cover your arse) policies and the complete disregard for staff well being.

The ironic thing is I work for the Department of Human Services…

My wife and I have a very extensive 5 to 10 year plan to become completely self sufficient and independent of "JOBS" so we can focus on doing what we love, when we love to do it, and how we want to do it, without the fear of starving or being out on the streets. Rid ourselves of any currency or "market" and provide for ourselves what we need to survive.

I've always thought the same way, and knew it deep down as well. Why do we work? because we are expected to? If the goal, is to get food water and shelter, and we get it by any other means, then is it not the same thing?

people are expected to work just because, in the s own same way people are expected to have a car or shop at stores, simply because society says it's normal. Don't forget it wasn't always this way.

I actually take this into consideration, for I work in my own self-interest, to create products for others. I don't do it because I am expected to, or because I MUST work. If given the choice, I wouldn't have a job. I would work, but not have a job. There is a difference.

If i had the freedom, I would leave, and just do my own thing somewhere, working for myself, outside of any government or ruling body, working for myself, producing for others (for a price, of course). My 2 cents on the matter.

You are right of course, most jobs are centred around people's wants, and not necessities.

there once was a roman senator that thought that it would be a good idea to put red bands around the arms of the slaves so they could be more easily recognized, another senator pointed out how crazy that was by saying "if we do that, they will see their own numbers and realize that they outnumber us"

Thank you for saying that for me. I've been trying to explain that to people for years. I usually focus on money when trying to explain it. I hate money because it makes people do things they wouldn't do otherwise. I don't mean stealing and breaking in houses, I mean spending the majority of your life doing what someone else wants you to do. But don't worry, your whole life isn't ruined or lost, when you are 65 and a half, you can retire and collect enough money to survive on pet food (not the good stuff, though) and then you can do all the things you ever wanted. If you can recall what those things were and if you are physically able or have anything left in you at all.

That is why I try to live everyday. I am not banking on some great retirement years. I quit my job a few months ago and have been living off of my 401k, which is now nearly gone. I will, unfortunately, have to reenter the job force, but I do not want to. It is slavery. You could not be more correct.

You can't have modern agriculture without modern society. And modern society requires a bunch of stuff and people to make it. If the government would get out of the way, life could be 1000% better.
Your idea requires a central authority and distribution of resources--in other words, you're reiterating the communist paradise myth.
Yes jobs suck and yes it sucks even worse that it's pretty much impossible to support yourself off the plantation, but creating a bigger plantation isn't the solution.

Do you think all that stuff in your house just poofed it's way there? Jobs are necessary, but like you said most jobs are pointless. If anything people need to start working more, not less, just look at the worldwide poverty crisis.

Hello,

Great thread,

I saw this article some days ago
edition.cnn.com...

It's right on the subject.

Also, i am sure that you are all aware or at least some of you about the zeitgeist movement and the zeitgeist movies, because it is also right on the subject.

Bottom line for me is : the struggle for survival is an archaic concept, having to fight everyday for the basic needs that all human beings share as a species is not worthy of the intelligent form of life that we are. The worst is that we have institutionalised this thousands years old behaviour through money and jobs for money that are useless.

awesome post!

not to mention the educational system where (here in canada anyways) students rack up huge amounts of debt looking for that "better" job. That debt will never disapear and will follow you for 10 15 or 20 years. Not even bankruptcy will eliminate student loans. Graduates are forced to work, without interuption for the rest of there lives, forget living the simple life with that kind of debt on your back.

the chains get heavier.....

this is a call for communism go to hell.

There was no employment bubble.

The jobs went overseas.

I'll all started about 10 years ago but no one did anything about it.

I really feel all these people realizing what is going on. Seeing the polticans fight amongst themselves and the HUGE gap between the rich and poor is going to lead to a huge revultion and overturning our current system into creating something better. In 5-10 years down the road who knows; techonology can free us most people can work from home. All the office space can be turned into apartments for people to live. To be realistic there has to be some people working or our society would fall apart. We can't rely on technology 100% but we do a much better system of doing things. We could only recquire people to work 20-25 years of their life 30 hours a week. From the age of 21 and up everyone has shelter,food and water no matter what. We need to stop putting profit and money before people. We need to put people first. We need to create a Humanist society. We need to take a psychological approach to life and existence. We need compassion for all human beings. No longer will there be a wealthy elite who will rule us but more of a co-operative force for good. We may need experts to guide us on certian things but there intentions will not be to control us but to set us free. Needing money to survive is a different form of slavery.
(By the way the reason I say 21 and up is because a feel a person can live at home with their parents a few years after school so they are prepared for real life. Unless someone is an orphan, a foster kid or being abused an 18 or 19 year is not really ready to live on his or her own.)

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No actually communist are big on work. They believe in labor and that is how they keep everyone so poor is to have people work for low wages. Sound famliar?(and we thought our system was so much different than communism)

Great post, you had me hanging on every word! This is something I think about often yet try to convince myself otherwise. I'm not crazy about my job and often feel like a prisoner of the corporate system. However, like you said the horse and plow days were not easy. For example today, I can easily get a meal anytime of any variety, and enjoy it in an air conditioned/heated environment with little effort thanks to modern technology. But at least the horse and plow guys are in control of themselves, and not slaves.

Originally posted by Old77
this is a call for communism go to hell.

A family is a communist community. I am sure you will never ask your 5 y old child to pay you or to work for you to be able to eat or drink or anything else. You could argue that a family shares a genetic bond.
Well, the human species shares a genetic bond too. We are a big family, nothing less.

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A human society, I like the terminology. There are those that say what you preach is communism but they appear not to understand what you are talking about. Certainly, our leaders today could never be responsible for a system totally automated or mostly automated. I like your plan of action and it is very similar to my own. The decisions of society need to reflect prosperity for the people as their main goal. Our system has become so complex and really it is probably not that complex. When you see that one video of a guy on 3 acres of land produce a million pounds of food, we have to wonder why this model is not further invested in. The only thing I can think of is greed and profits. If small independent groups are able to do this, just imagine what millions of people could accomplish given the right funding to kick start it. If we can manage to get life essential production of goods automated, my god, we would live in an entirely different world. And since life essential goods are grown from the earth this is all but possible.

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People confuse the economic system of socialism with the government of communism. They are simply wrong. Socialism in itself is not evil, especially when by voluntary choice.

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Great post - this is one of those truths that has been in front of everyone the entire time, but someone needed to put it in perspective and words that laid it out clearly*.

And this...

One last point and then I"m out. Prisoners. These people BREAK the law, are a danger to society, yet they get free food and shelter day in day out and dont work a single day. Now, if we can provide three meals a day, air conditioning and cable TV for PRISONERS, the murderers and rapists, why can't we provide it for all of us. We have plenty of food, remember 1% of the US farms for 99% of the rest. We have plenty of homes. Look down the street, how many are empty, for sale? How many people own TWO, THREE homes? We can provide food and shelter for all. Its there. We've simply been convinced we don't deserve it.

... really makes you think, doesn't it?




* I'm about to do something similar in another thread ("The 2012 Generation" - be on the lookout)

Originally posted by Old77
this is a call for communism go to hell.

Are you .. EDITED... sorry about that

Wow. Awesome post - right with you. I kind of feel that it's only going to get worse before it gets better - an aweful feeling. It's the paradigm, man. The only thing is... paradigms do not have a habbit of transforming easily without blood and tears.

Maybe we're in the midst of that.

Originally posted by greenCo

Originally posted by Old77
this is a call for communism go to hell.

Are you mentally retarded??

no need to attack the guy, even if it was kind of a silly thing to say.

if the user really is "old" or even "77" then this goes along with a theory i have: people in that age range, from that generation (my parents are in their early 70s), have a hard time with the notion that not having to work as progress is deplorable. i think it might be because they (my folks) feel angry that they were forced to spend so much of their lives doing something they didn't like doing.

i don't like my job at all. i am hoping some day i might be able to do something else i like to do to support myself. i don't want to be in my 70s hating the fact i had to do something i hated for people i hated.