Why are Americans so Vengeful?

Also back in those days every country was racing to get the Atomic Bomb and they did not trust each other and the Great Depression caused all kinds of fears and problems and communist dicators ruled and their was no open media in Germany or Russia or Japan or China.Tons of anti-semetism all through Europe.Technology was not as advanced of course.

To the OP I'd suggest that yours is perhaps not the best approach when trying to stimulate folks into thinking about how they've been manipulated by propoganda.

The U.S. pioneered the public relations industry. Its committment was to "control the public mind," as its leaders put it. It's incredibly hard for anyone born into this to see past what has been done, in a lot of respects it really is the matrix.

here's some more reading for those interested, make of it what you will

www.cicd-volunteerinafrica.org...
www.democracynow.org...
www.democracynow.org...
www.medkb.com...

I have always seen it this way-
Fear. We are fearful. Freedom makes you that way. Walls can keep you in, or they can keep danger out- no walls, no limits, AND no protection.

We go on the very common perception that if others percieve you as strong and violent, they will refrain from even trying to invade, attack, or threaten you. You will pass your fear onto them. So in the same way a male gorilla will pound their chest, shake trees, throw some heavy stones to show how scary and violent they are, America does the same.

911 was especially traumatic because it indicated that is not as effective as they assumed. So they became even more fearful- and more violent.

Hostility and violence creates a vicious cycle- the more you experience being free to express your fear through violence, the easier it becomes to imagine others ALSO being fearful and free to express that through violence,
)which makes the level of violence they feel go higher in a perception of need to defend against all those fearful violent, hostile people out there.

I've noticed that in some other countries, where people feel more secure in having their survival needs met, they seem less fearful, and likewise, less violent. They also assume less violent or hostile intentions on the parts of others! A thief is just a thief until proven otherwise.....not automatically a potential murderer.

My concern, when it comes to my country, is that on a smaller scale, watching individuals in a society, the bullies seem to have an effective system going for a while- others ARE afraid to mess with or challenge them. But this is a temporary situation. The resentment of others grows slowly, as they are filled with the fear inspired in them, that they must repress from expression. There always seem to be a point where a large collective effort finally explodes to bring him/her down.... or one really bright and creative individual who channels all that resentment into an act that does it in a way they didn't expect. There is always an Achilles Heel, and sometimes it takes a while to find, but the more fear you instill in others to keep them away from you, the more likely it becomes they will do it later in a big way, rather than sooner in little (less damaging) ways.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
I don't understand it all myself fellas..If you ask me I think the next great war will evolve in the middle east and nothing we can realy do to stop it.I don't know why life is this way..just happens.

is that what your management told you?

Passing a law that says everyone in a town must own a gun would be a good thing. It would be like putting a sign on every door saying, "This home is protected by Smith & Wesson."

Criminals don't like such signs.

Here's my favorite picture on this topic.

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by m1991

 

Well, we decended from one of the most barbaric people that ever walked the earth....it's in our DNA

You mean the English?

Nah, the Dutch, surely! :p

reply to post by m1991


War is a necessary evil without war,death penalty,hunger,disease etc. the human race would already be extinct by over population. we would have already cracked the earth for all the resources it could give. America isn't a gun toting country because of our movies. Alot of people seem to forget that we are VERY young compared to the other countries in this world being of thousands of years of age. if you look at history most of them had the same beginnings. The reason guns arnt outlawed is the mentally in America that you can take it from our cold dead fingers.
What if we where invaded? our military is large but it would be spread thin and disorganized in a a mass strike. we will have our weapons to defend our homes and our business's. In my opinion its because Americans like to hold there destiny in there own hands.

reply to post by m1991

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course one of the first replies was some american trying to justify and defend themselves.
Americans believe in democracy don't they? Well the vast mayjority of the worlds population has a very similar pov as the op, thats easily researchable/proveable.
Americans: You don't like having to read this? Then change things for the better.
At least other nations out there don't arrogantly deny accusations levelled at them, like India or China's human rights abuses for example, what about russia, they don't back down.
Grow a set and accept responsibility for your nations attitude and actions.

YOU ARE NOT THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH, so stop yelling it while waving flags around like a bunch of mindless, fanatically patriotic zombies.

Originally posted by Raivan31
reply to post by m1991

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course one of the first replies was some american trying to justify and defend themselves.
Americans believe in democracy don't they? Well the vast mayjority of the worlds population has a very similar pov as the op, thats easily researchable/proveable.
Americans: You don't like having to read this? Then change things for the better.
At least other nations out there don't arrogantly deny accusations levelled at them, like India or China's human rights abuses for example, what about russia, they don't back down.
Grow a set and accept responsibility for your nations attitude and actions.

YOU ARE NOT THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH, so stop yelling it while waving flags around like a bunch of mindless, fanatically patriotic zombies.

Although I have seen people wave the Flag in a mindless state of...I am on the Winning Team....by and by....the rest of the worls should KISS OUR ASS for preventing them from destroying each other. I speak from experience and travel extensively and have a job that is taxing from time to time....as only a PATRIOT can perform it.

I have listened to a myriad of SOUR GRAPES statements from people of other countries...lementing the power of the U.S. and using it as an excuse to cover their own feelings of inadequacy as well as a smoke screen to hide their own countries ineptness or unwillingness to do anything.

All I have to say to these people is....if the reast of you and your countries were not so impotent in your abilities to solve problems....then maybe we could spend all this money we put into Defense...on social issues. If it were not for the U.S....most of you would either be speeking German or Japanese. And when a major problem is about to occur...and lives are threatened....I watch as other countries....who a short time before were big on words....go scampering back behind the skirt of Lady Liberty and defer to the U.S. as they are always long on talk but cowards when it comes down to action. Split Infinity

Originally posted by Raivan31
reply to post by m1991

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course one of the first replies was some american trying to justify and defend themselves.
Americans believe in democracy don't they? Well the vast mayjority of the worlds population has a very similar pov as the op, thats easily researchable/proveable.
Americans: You don't like having to read this? Then change things for the better.
At least other nations out there don't arrogantly deny accusations levelled at them, like India or China's human rights abuses for example, what about russia, they don't back down.
Grow a set and accept responsibility for your nations attitude and actions.

YOU ARE NOT THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH, so stop yelling it while waving flags around like a bunch of mindless, fanatically patriotic zombies.

You are so right!

Australia heck yes!
Kangaroos and the outback too

Who is saying America is better then everyone else?
Or is that what other countries hate?
It is not bragging if it is true.
Hating America wanting it to fail because it has something they don't. IS VENGEFUL
See the epitome.. That post is the most vengeful filled
piece I have read.
Mindless fanatical zombies? Because we raise our flags
like every other country in the world does?

Accept responsibility, well try me in court with a jury of my peers
before finding ME guilty of your said crime.

reply to post by Qemyst


The rest of the world? That's a very un researched ill informed and ignorent statement. That's the problem with threads like this, it becomes very apparent that most information in regards to the U.S and its influence on the rest of the world is taken from Hollywood. I'm in no way bagging the U.S but as soon as things like this starts we get same old "America saved the world" thing.

Notes.

Japan was already on the retreat before the U.S had fully geard up for action in the south pacific

The entry of the U.S in to ww1 shortend the war but didn't change the outcome.

The entry of the U.S into ww2 shortend the war but didn't change the outcome.

If we were to start pointing things out here when it comes to America saving the world it can be argued that in both world wars the U.S has entered once the enemy is punch drunk.

reply to post by m1991

Why are Americans so Vengeful?

Because our mass media is owned by Weapon Manufacturers.

Originally posted by obummerdeception

Originally posted by Raivan31
reply to post by m1991

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course one of the first replies was some american trying to justify and defend themselves.
Americans believe in democracy don't they? Well the vast mayjority of the worlds population has a very similar pov as the op, thats easily researchable/proveable.
Americans: You don't like having to read this? Then change things for the better.
At least other nations out there don't arrogantly deny accusations levelled at them, like India or China's human rights abuses for example, what about russia, they don't back down.
Grow a set and accept responsibility for your nations attitude and actions.

YOU ARE NOT THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH, so stop yelling it while waving flags around like a bunch of mindless, fanatically patriotic zombies.

You are so right!

Australia heck yes!
Kangaroos and the outback too

Who is saying America is better then everyone else?
Or is that what other countries hate?
It is not bragging if it is true.
Hating America wanting it to fail because it has something they don't. IS VENGEFUL
See the epitome.. That post is the most vengeful filled
piece I have read.
Mindless fanatical zombies? Because we raise our flags
like every other country in the world does?

Accept responsibility, well try me in court with a jury of my peers
before finding ME guilty of your said crime.

edit on 3-9-2011 by obummerdeception because: (no reason given)

Although we have stumbled of late economicly...as the economy of the U.S. goes...so goes the rest the rest of the world. The U.S. has a population of only 300 Million yet has an Economy larger than CHINA with a population getting close to 2 Billion.

The U.S. Military is so advanced and so lethal....and has become this way because we never again intend to fight another world war...that no other country or even group of countries would dare attack the mainland. A Chinese General who recently toured U.S. Military bases...upset his superiors by saying...the U.S. has little to fear from China as the U.S. Military...in his acessment....was decades and in some cases...half a century ahead.

Almost all major world changing and economy driving tech. originated in the U.S.....everything from Telephones to cell phones....assembly line cars....TV...the VCR....DVDs....the Personal Computer....etc. No other country is home to more Nobel Prize winners than the U.S. and the U.S. is the country of choice for parents from other countries....to send their kids to College.

So when people say we have a chip on our sholders....YES that's true....and when those people have a country that has a Space Program that went to the Moon more than 40 years ago as well as sending robotic probes through out our Solar System...not to mention running a space Shuttle or deployed a telescope like the Hubble....well then maybe they might be able to brag too. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Originally posted by obummerdeception

Originally posted by Raivan31
reply to post by m1991

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course one of the first replies was some american trying to justify and defend themselves.
Americans believe in democracy don't they? Well the vast mayjority of the worlds population has a very similar pov as the op, thats easily researchable/proveable.
Americans: You don't like having to read this? Then change things for the better.
At least other nations out there don't arrogantly deny accusations levelled at them, like India or China's human rights abuses for example, what about russia, they don't back down.
Grow a set and accept responsibility for your nations attitude and actions.

YOU ARE NOT THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH, so stop yelling it while waving flags around like a bunch of mindless, fanatically patriotic zombies.

You are so right!

Australia heck yes!
Kangaroos and the outback too

Who is saying America is better then everyone else?
Or is that what other countries hate?
It is not bragging if it is true.
Hating America wanting it to fail because it has something they don't. IS VENGEFUL
See the epitome.. That post is the most vengeful filled
piece I have read.
Mindless fanatical zombies? Because we raise our flags
like every other country in the world does?

Accept responsibility, well try me in court with a jury of my peers
before finding ME guilty of your said crime.

edit on 3-9-2011 by obummerdeception because: (no reason given)

Although we have stumbled of late economicly...as the economy of the U.S. goes...so goes the rest the rest of the world. The U.S. has a population of only 300 Million yet has an Economy larger than CHINA with a population getting close to 2 Billion.

The U.S. Military is so advanced and so lethal....and has become this way because we never again intend to fight another world war...that no other country or even group of countries would dare attack the mainland. A Chinese General who recently toured U.S. Military bases...upset his superiors by saying...the U.S. has little to fear from China as the U.S. Military...in his acessment....was decades and in some cases...half a century ahead.

Almost all major world changing and economy driving tech. originated in the U.S.....everything from Telephones to cell phones....assembly line cars....TV...the VCR....DVDs....the Personal Computer....etc. No other country is home to more Nobel Prize winners than the U.S. and the U.S. is the country of choice for parents from other countries....to send their kids to College.

So when people say we have a chip on our sholders....YES that's true....and when those people have a country that has a Space Program that went to the Moon more than 40 years ago as well as sending robotic probes through out our Solar System...not to mention running a space Shuttle or deployed a telescope like the Hubble....well then maybe they might be able to brag too. Split Infinity

WHY is the OP so vengeful toward all Americans?

I DID NOT CHOOSE WHERE I WAS BORN!!
I can not help I was born
into the country with the greateast military known to man EVER!

Reminds me of the little runts who picked on me in school because I was bigger
then all of them.

They talked a lot of crap, I did not care because they did not dare touch me.
Talk all you want about me. Just do not touch me becase I will defend myself.
They were the loudest most hate filled people. Tell me the bigger they are the harder they fall.
That is what all the runts say. They couldn't drop me in the first place, so there would be no falling.

Say what you will, but most of you are ignoring the undeniable substance of the original poster's assertions.

reply to post by m1991

Like compared to Europeans, Canadians, and most other First Worlders? I'm an American, and it's pretty obvious to me that American culture puts vengeance on a pedestal. I mean New Zealand police don't even carry guns, but we shoot people just for looting TV sets.

Whose we? You have a turd in your pocket or something? That is a pretty ignorant and biased statement. Police generally do not shoot people for stealing TV's unless the thief threatens them with a weapon.

Just think about it I mean. America has the largest military the Earth has ever seen,

Not quite. The US military is the 7th largest in the world. Do some research before popping off.

Bombing entire nations into the Stone Age is acceptable retribution to many Americans for killing 3,000 of us.

The majority of Americans are brain washed and complacent due to fluoride, 24/7 media propaganda, and poor nutritional food supply.

Most Americans continue to support the death penalty even though most Americans also believe innocent people are occasionally put to death.

We have a right to reasonable security from violent criminals. It's not about revenge it is about self defense and never allowing someone to kill again. There should be conclusive evidence and or witnesses or the death penalty should not be allowed. This is why they are allowed several appeals etc. but it could be improved.

Why should we feed these dangerous scum in a cage for the rest of their lives? I believe they are better off exiting this life so they can come back in another and suffer their karma and learn why they should not harm others.

And let's face it, the reason Americans are gun-crazed isn't just because of the Second Amendment. It's because a lot of people here just love the idea of blowing someone's head off if they intrude on their property. Not to mention people love guns because they wanna feel like they're in a Hollywood movie or on the TV show Lost (love the show, but how many hundreds of gun scenes are in it?)

These are about as ignorant of statements as I have heard. It's just anti-gun BS rhetoric! The vast majority of lawful gun owners do not just want to blow someone's head off or be like in the movies, they are responsible people. They hope they never have to use it in self defense and the vast majority never do. Most gun crime in America is gang related. Concealed permit holders have a lower crime rate per capita then Police.

The argument that banning guns would increase crime because only criminals would have them is wrong. If that were true, Australia, Canada, and Britain would have far more gun-related murders than the States. Besides, otherwise law abiding citizens who loved guns could still obtain them illegally if they wanted to badly enough, so it wouldn't be that ONLY thugs had guns, it would be simply a lot less people in general would have guns.

More anti-gun BS rhetoric... Sigh! Britain and Australian crime rates went through the roof when they banned guns because criminals had much less fear their victims were armed. Its a proven fact every county and state that allows their citizens to liberally carry weapons has seen dramatic drops in crime rates or had low rates if they have always had liberal gun laws. If gun prohibition worked LA, NY and DC would be among the safest places on the planet yet they are among the most dangerous yet they have some of the strictest gun prohibition laws.

I bet you think we should legalize pot too? Why? Because prohibition does not work period whether it is alcohol, drugs, or guns! We have a right to self defense for a reason infringing that right will not stop criminals from committing crimes and murders.

The point is, I would like to see a change from this vengeful and militaristic attitude in America. I would like us to become a peace loving and forgiving kind of people. Until then, I'm gonna laugh every time I hear people talk about Americans being the best people on Earth.

This is really just a veiled anti-gun rant full of prohibitionist talking points. Many gun owners in America will be the first to tell you we need to bring our troops home and stop our empire building. The rest of America is in a fog so I don't know what to tell you about that but your anti-gun BS needed to be dealt with and was..

There are numerous reasons and together they make what is these days.

The origins of it are twofold; first of all is that the time of people that actually went to the USA upon discovery is obviously different then the type of people staying behind. I mean that in a genetic level. They wanted out of the familiar and into the new, seeking chances, wealth or a clean slate. That can be good, but can also be bad if circumstances change.

Second of all, America is young and has no culture dispite its size. It got a lot of power fairly early in its creation and in the wake of that power, while missing culture a 'fake' culture was created to fill the vacuum. No offense, but from a non-US point of view the US culture with it's franchises looks fake. Disney looks fake, the fstfood joins look fake and the food they serve looks fake, despite the fact that those things went global.

The last part is the 'free laws' while the US says that the possibilities are limitless, this is ever less and less true. The system that created limitless possibilities in the US in the beginning now start to hamper the US as a culture in its growth. Things like the right to bear arms, or the compeltly wrong patent policies and the ability to sue people for huge sums of money for petty reasons simply lead to the creation of narrow a narrow sighted population.

Where once it was a country of limitless possibility it has now become a land of limitless exploitation. Democracy and freedom has changed from core values into a cloack of exploitation and those with power or the ability to manipulate the US masses spread the influance of that cloack globally to exploit it for its own gain.

Ofcourse, the EU en China aren't holy as well, but neither of them view their standards as superior. Generally speaking, those two sides are so old and have had so much violance and wrongdoings in their own past that they no longer bother to proclaim that their culture is right. They simply think its the best thing for them at that time.

I think the OP is just young (20 years old) and don't realize that the exact things he quoted is exactly what makes America so great. If we still followed the constitution (instead of breaking away from it at every opportunity) then these are the responsibilities that come with such privileges.

And maybe his age gives him a clarity of vision which you no longer have. If you really believe that bombing nations back into the stone age makes America great then maybe YOUR age is the problem.

I stopped reading as soon as I read his sentence beginning with the word "Like"....


Did I miss anything?

You have a good point and I must agree that Americans are NOT "the best people in the world"
But the answer to the problems we face are not found in the absence of guns, the answer to our problems will be found in the idea's of freedom. True freedom is the foundation for all great societies and until the world embraces all forms of freedom we are all doomed. Doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past over and over again until we get it right or we all perish from our misdeeds we have done to each other and our world.