Why are Americans so Vengeful?

reply to post by m1991


It's about freedom and that's the only thing it's about. A concept you seem to not care about or don't understand. FREEDOM! If you don't like it, you can get out.

White people in general are vengeful not in the US, but Canada, Europe, New Zealand, the UK & Australia especially are vengeful,imo it's just a false sense of accomplishment and a want of self entitlement.
Not to say i hate white people or anything, i dont think that of way of anyone, im just pointing it out.

It's not a problem in the united states at all, i currently live in australia, failbourne, victoria to be exact, and the mindset here is highly vengeful and militaristic, and i laugh in my head every time i hear someone complementing australia, i just think to myself "if only you lived here idiot vacations don't count".

BTW as for that comment on guns, truth is, guns save lives, it doesn't end them, you have to be rational over this, if the king of england came into your house and started shovin' you around, whaddya gon' do?
Lol sorry simpsons quote, but it has some truth to it, you need to have the power of a gun, to over power an enemy.
Australia is ranked as the most violent country among developed nations, note there's a difference between violence and killing.
More fights and confrontations randomly happen in australia then anywhere else, mainly due to like i said the militaristic mindset.
And guns are illegal here, so you dont even need to have guns to be violent.

I'm probably the most liberal, fair and just thinking guy i know lol, and honestly the death penalty imo is good, it depends, imo, if you murder someone you too should die, i see an eye for an eye, im not freakin ghandi.
Evil must be punished.

"The worst thing too is Americans are especially unforgiving of the less fortunate"
Lol as for that, i'd say Americans are too forgiving of the less fortunate ^, don't all major charities operate in the US, and weren't they all started there?
What do you see and think so badly about the united states?,
You should be glad, it could be much worse, you could live in
"redneck anti social emo rude low iq'd people's paradise australia"
like me, then you'll be crying to go back to the united states.

Plus Xbox, COD and the Biomed scene is made and is huge in the US, imo, that makes the US an instant win, till the US gets topped in that, then we'll talk on which place is better.

Even though this is just a troll, it's feeding time.

Originally posted by Atzil321
The united states was a nation born in violence, and built on genocide, slavery and greed.

Yea, it's a good thing the UK didn't have any part in this. /sarcasm

Originally posted by Atzil321
Nothing much has changed in the intervening 235 years since its founding.

You must have been hiding under a rock, because in those years America has progressed our entire species quite a bit. Perhaps we should've just kept the internet to ourselves, not to mention a lot of other things that morons take for granted and assume they just "appeared" out of thin air.

Originally posted by Atzil321
You can still see it in its modern form in the militization of its whole culture, people are fed a diet of propaganda from cradle to grave, its good to kill, war is 'just' when we do it, god is on our side, greed and lust for power should be celebrated, so on and so forth.. The united states controls most of the planet through violence or the threat of violence.

I've been all over the US and I don't see much militarized culture. I see regular people doing regular jobs and just doing regular people things, like in any civilized society.

Apparently, America is the only country to ever get in a war as well. Since when was there ever a war by any number of countries where the corresponding sides didn't think they were 'just'? Name a President, Prime Minister or Supreme Leader who said "#, well, guys this is kind of messed up, but I'm just going to go over here and bomb these guys because they're assholes and I feel like it". Your a moron.

Oh yea and god and greed and all, that just didn't exist before America or in any other nation since, of course Americans and their country are completely in control of the worlds supply of greed, because we bombed it out of all the peace loving Arabs and Asians. Maybe if you paid attention to the rest of the world (esp your own #ing country) instead of constantly trying to find every fault you can in America, you would be less of a fool.

Originally posted by Atzil321
You ask why are you so vengeful? because vengence and violence are two sides of the same coin, and the u.s is the most violent nation ever to have existed.

No, the US is the only nation you ever read about, that's why it seems like "the most everything bad" to you.

America is a vengeful nation? I don't agree, but who really cares, so what?

If anything regular intelligent Americans are trying to regain control of our system so we can start building again, not worrying about what the rest of the world is thinking/doing.

People on this forum hate America purely for one simple and stupid reason, jealousy, because we are the biggest and the baddest out there. You could probably count the number of foreigners who were directly harmed by America (on ATS) on one finger, this trash is nothing more than a few childish westerners rooting for the away team while sitting in the home teams stands, where all the hotdogs and creature comforts are.

A few dead people in some poorly developed country is just the venue for your selfishness.

Most of the crime in the US is drug related, some statistics state that half of the arrest in US test for an illegal drug (including alcohol above legal limit).

You say that Americans are so vengeful! I say show me a country more hospitable? Show me a country that provides the humanitarian aid that we do.
I personally don't think Americans are all that vengeful. People do tend to drink allot and the ones who do tend to be depressed, dangerous mix that can drop your level of give a # pretty low. Has little to do with guns, these people would just as well use cars, Ax's, hammers, home made explosives..etc.. This does not represent out society as a whole..even though its what it seems because that's what makes for big TV.

The majority of people here in the US are just like the majority of people in everyone of the countries i have visited in my 11 years of military service, in that they just want to be left alone to provide the best life they can for them and there families.Sure they have different laws, some better some worse..but believe it or not for the most part they are still trying to emulate us.

I will say as the guns are concerned, our society does tend to glamorize them and its something that irks me to no end but what do i expect, we glamorize death just as well...Hell we got channels dedicated to people who go on murderous rampages.

"Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%."

* Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted."

* England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.

* Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low"


Source: gunowners.org...

This whole thread is based on the misconception that anyone takes the US seriously as a nation and a group of people. How wrong you are.

You are a 2nd world country masquerading as a 1st world democracy.

Because American people (which is me too but im awake) are so ignorant. They belive what the idiots in the media are saying and what the gov says... What happen to Innocent until proven guilty or ..... The Government shall fear its people.?????? I think all we do is Wake up go to work sit in traffic get our money takin from us and do what they say... Is there something wrong here? Im pretty sure thats not what the constitution stands for but who cares right it will never happen here Private....

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S.also has never ordered their soldiers to mass murder and torture human beings simply because they hate them.However in every war there is always abuse going on from some soldiers.

does "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" ring a bell? or do the Native Americans not count?

read "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee", then reexamine your quote.

Originally posted by mythos

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S.also has never ordered their soldiers to mass murder and torture human beings simply because they hate them.However in every war there is always abuse going on from some soldiers.

does "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" ring a bell? or do the Native Americans not count?

read "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee", then reexamine your quote.

The british empire, the belgium empire, and european colonial powers did the same to the "primitive" people they conquered, they englightened them with jesus too , yet we don't see them put on the spotlight?
Strong double standard much?

Originally posted by m1991
Like compared to Europeans, Canadians, and most other First Worlders? I'm an American, and it's pretty obvious to me that American culture puts vengeance on a pedestal. I mean New Zealand police don't even carry guns, but we shoot people just for looting TV sets.

Just think about it I mean. America has the largest military the Earth has ever seen, and most people in America don't feel outraged about using it for whatever reason, unless a lot of American troops die and a lot of American money is wasted. Bombing entire nations into the Stone Age is acceptable retribution to many Americans for killing 3,000 of us.

Most Americans continue to support the death penalty even though most Americans also believe innocent people are occasionally put to death. I guess it's a price worth paying to exact full payback? To be fair, most Canadians also supported the concept of the death penalty until very recently, and even now it's probably a 50/50 split, but many European countries oppose it by a vast majority. If you compare Hong Kong's crime demographics (a place with no death penalty) to culturally and socially similar Singapore's (a place that uses it so much Texans might blush) you will see no evidence that the death penalty has any kind of deterring effect.

And let's face it, the reason Americans are gun-crazed isn't just because of the Second Amendment. It's because a lot of people here just love the idea of blowing someone's head off if they intrude on their property. Not to mention people love guns because they wanna feel like they're in a Hollywood movie or on the TV show Lost (love the show, but how many hundreds of gun scenes are in it?) The argument that banning guns would increase crime because only criminals would have them is wrong. If that were true, Australia, Canada, and Britain would have far more gun-related murders than the States. Besides, otherwise law abiding citizens who loved guns could still obtain them illegally if they wanted to badly enough, so it wouldn't be that ONLY thugs had guns, it would be simply a lot less people in general would have guns.

The worst thing too is Americans are especially unforgiving of the less fortunate. We hate people who go on SSI yet re-elect those who steal billions of dollars. Isn't our indignation misplaced?

The point is, I would like to see a change from this vengeful and militaristic attitude in America. I would like us to become a peace loving and forgiving kind of people. Until then, I'm gonna laugh every time I hear people talk about Americans being the best people on Earth.

edit on 2-9-2011 by m1991 because: (no reason given)

America has nearly 400million people so they can't be compared to new zealand in any social way.

And about death penalty. South africa has no death penalty and criminals have more rights than probably anyone in the world... You'd think its a crime free paradise.

because, if u mess with the american way we will put a boot up your a@@ and make u leave in in there for a long time. i dont know what u are looking for in a reply.

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien


as i've stated in a much earlier post... just because someone else did something wrong, that does not justify another's wrong action.

and as i've also said, if the US was born on democracy and freedom, then it should also hold itself to a much higher standard.

finally, i was addressing the quote, which stated that the US never killed masses of people out of hate, which is plainly not true.

if you wish to talk about the other atrocities of the world, by all means start a thread about, but this thread is not about the Chinese repression of Tibet, or the Spanish treatment of the Incas or Aztec, or the Australian treatment of the Aboriginies, or the Dutch treatment of the Zulu... etc, etc, etc.

it is about the US's propensity towards violence.

Its true that we are decended from negro africans....the DNA Genome Project proved that...if you want to state that they are the most barbaric people on Earth then thats your stated opinion w/o published proof...as for your anti-gun,2nd Amendment attack rant ,I wonder why the mods allow that but wont allow other posts that are likewise slanted against other topics?..And when you make sweeping statements like you did about "Americans" you can post no proof since I am an American and dont agree with a single thing you say....so you are assuming and,again,why do the mods allow you to post opinion as fact?

What TV shows do you watch? What video games do you play? What type of music do you listen to? We have programmed our society to be vengeful as you put it through media. Every crime fighting show programs in vengeance as legitimate and necessary. Most action video games also program in violence and vengeance. Rap music is full of vengeance.
Research shows that while on a conscious level we understand the difference between reality and fantasy; the brain stores these images as reality for later unconscious reference. Why do you think the military and many others train using virtual reality and video type games.
I haven't read all 15 pages of posts so maybe someone has already said this. I taught human development for 12 years in college and can tell you this IS the reason.

Originally posted by mythos
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

 

as i've stated in a much earlier post... just because someone else did something wrong, that does not justify another's wrong action.

and as i've also said, if the US was born on democracy and freedom, then it should also hold itself to a much higher standard.

finally, i was addressing the quote, which stated that the US never killed masses of people out of hate, which is plainly not true.

if you wish to talk about the other atrocities of the world, by all means start a thread about, but this thread is not about the Chinese repression of Tibet, or the Spanish treatment of the Incas or Aztec, or the Australian treatment of the Aboriginies, or the Dutch treatment of the Zulu... etc, etc, etc.

it is about the US's propensity towards violence.

edit on 3-9-2011 by mythos because: clarify

Yes but this is the thing, people always seem to focus on the US's atrocities and bad side?
Why?

Yes i know if someone else has done something wrong, it doesnt justify someone else's, but it seems the US's bad side is fixated because it's recent and fresh in peoples mind.

People either don't know, or forget, on european colonial empires, simply because they have this notion that europe is "cultured".

It's not about comparing, if someone else has done something bad, it's about acknowledging both, all im seeing is people pointing the finger, and when confronted about that...they either say "buh buh.....we're talkin boutz amerrikka"

I've never seen a thread, on europes propensity on violence, or asians propensity on violence, or the middle easts propensity on violence, or australias propensity on violence?
All these european countries have convinced people they are "free" "liberal" and "cultured" shouldn't they hold themselves to a higher standard too, if they don't then whatever is said from herein is hypocritical and a contradiction.

You can't really talk about the US's atrocities, without brining up the rest of the worlds, it's just way to entwined with eachother.
It's like asking a guy why did you kill 20 people, when another guy standing right next you has killed 2,000, it lacks logic.

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Domo1

Do you have sources for these claims? I like guns, but certainly don't consider myself fanatical. I don't think any reasonable person would either.

I dunno, I think defending our gun laws when school shootings have become an epidemic is pretty fanatical. Also when other countries have changed their gun laws to become more strict and seen decline in murder. It's pretty irresponsible imo to be so pro gun.

In the first full year after Australia banned guns, the gun crime rate went up 44% does not seem like a drop to me,
but then again, perhaps where I got my figures from was biased, I don't know for sure.

Uncle Joe (Josef Stalin) once remarked " one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is just a number" cunning old fox new what he was talking about, just shows 'human' nature.

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by m1991

 

It's about freedom and that's the only thing it's about. A concept you seem to not care about or don't understand. FREEDOM! If you don't like it, you can get out.

I hope you're being sarcastic haha.

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by The Old American
Nice troll thread. To anyone that doesn't know, an m1991 is a Colt .45 1911 (hope to get a 1911 for my birthday, BTW). It's also a rocket system used by the North Korean army.

Interesting that the OP's forum name is the same as that of those two items, yes?

/TOA

edit on 2-9-2011 by The Old American because: (no reason given)

Also he said he liked 1991 because it is a pantomime! Ahh...it's a pallidrome me thinks!!

palindrome actually. i knew i got that wrong!

Originally posted by steveknows
A question I would like to ask is that you commented on people owning guns and placed in a negative light but not the intrusions you refered to such as trespassers and such. why? The way I see it is that if you don't break into some ones home you won't get shot.

The way I see it as that's exactly why Americans are more vengeful (as a group I mean, not every single one of them) than most other First Worlders. Most Aussies, Canadians, etc find the idea of making it legal to murder a person just for entering your house without permission ridiculous (of course, if you come in armed with a gun, it's more understandable).

I agree that a lot of people in other parts of the First World are just as vengeful as we are though. Most Aussies seem to support the death penalty when it comes to Islamists.