Why are Americans so Vengeful?

Your title thread should say Human Beings are vengeful, its got nothing to do with americans.

2nd cough cough line

Originally posted by Jobeycool

Originally posted by anumohi

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S.would have won the Vietnam War if politics back home did not get in the way.They did not want to take any more deaths.The war was fought very poorly as well.

Vietnam was never meant to be won, it was a OP for CIA to sell arms, opium, rubber, oil, etc

It did what it was set in motion to perform

To much conspiracy mentality with some people.I like conspriacies but some people take them way over board.

no its true read ur history

Originally posted by anumohi

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S.would have won the Vietnam War if politics back home did not get in the way.They did not want to take any more deaths.The war was fought very poorly as well.

Vietnam was never meant to be won, it was a OP for CIA to sell arms, opium, rubber, oil, etc

It did what it was set in motion to perform

Oh a secret conspiracy OP for the CIA to fly unicorns around
and dance with ferries I forgot that part..

Originally posted by The Old American
Nice troll thread. To anyone that doesn't know, an m1991 is a Colt .45 1911 (hope to get a 1911 for my birthday, BTW). It's also a rocket system used by the North Korean army.

Interesting that the OP's forum name is the same as that of those two items, yes?

/TOA

edit on 2-9-2011 by The Old American because: (no reason given)

Also he said he liked 1991 because it is a pantomime! Ahh...it's a pallidrome me thinks!!

Originally posted by obummerdeception
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Vietnam is Socialist Republic of Vietnam not communist.

EVERY communist regime calls itself socialist, and that's because communists are socialists through and through.

Meanwhile not all socialists are communists, all communists are socialists.

Alot of sssaassination attempts failed to kill Hitler by Germans.The Great Despression and Woodrow Wilson did start the progressive movement though.Alot of people blame the progressive era as starting alot of these conflicts under Woodrow Wilson,mainly World War 2 and the rise of Hitler form the Treaty of Versailles.

Does not matter though the U.S.was not directly invovled in a ton of mass murdering lunatics who usualy grow out of communism and crazy utopia socialist movements.

The U.S.also has never ordered their soldiers to mass murder and torture human beings simply because they hate them.However in every war there is always abuse going on from some soldiers.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by obummerdeception
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Vietnam is Socialist Republic of Vietnam not communist.

EVERY communist regime calls itself socialist, and that's because communists are socialists through and through.

Meanwhile not all socialists are communists, all communists are socialists.

I learnt enough in history there both bad. Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, MAO.

Originally posted by obummerdeception

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by obummerdeception
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Vietnam is Socialist Republic of Vietnam not communist.

EVERY communist regime calls itself socialist, and that's because communists are socialists through and through.

Meanwhile not all socialists are communists, all communists are socialists.

I learnt enough in history there both bad. Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, MAO.

Yep,but for some strange reason they all grew out of the Progressive Era of Woodrow Wilson.Like 1910 to 1944 1950's.

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Lol nice. God I love Monty Python.

Cheers

I must admit though I find it strange that the worlds worst wars all came under the Progressive movement.

I lived in the U.S for two years and I don't think the average American is much different from the average Australian or Brit or Canadian. Well not in So Cal anyway.

There is an ignorence to the outside world and a miss placed assumption that the U.S is the mother of all inventions. I know that 86% of Americans don't hold a passport which I think is a bit sad for a wealthy developed country. But really Americans are just like any other English speaking country.

In regards to your war machine there is a focus on force. I think alot of countries in the world and most definately all English speaking countries could afford a massive defence force and super carriers and such but it's about where the money is spent. Australia, England and Canada don't have super carriers but we do have national health care if you see what I mean? In fact I saw once in So Cal a free health clinic which relied on donations and low income families could go there to get help for free, help that they otherwise wouldn't get without medical insurance which again i find to be a bit rough that a low income family in a wealthy country can't afford basic medical help. So i think that if there's anything the U'S Government is guilty of is not looking after its own people.

This isn't a bag on the U.S and living there I know you're just like me in more ways than not. I guess the U.S has its finger in so many pies around the world it needs a large force to police its interests.

A question I would like to ask is that you commented on people owning guns and placed in a negative light but not the intrusions you refered to such as trespassers and such. why? The way I see it is that if you don't break into some ones home you won't get shot.

Originally posted by 8ILlBILl8
It all started when action movies wear born. Then MAIN STREAM rap and now video games. At least %75 of video games are about killing.

Tell you what, you develop and market a video game about peace. Points for every hug. You may even get government subsidies for it.
You won't sell a single game, mind you.
Why? Because the point is entertainment. No conflict = boredom. And that sort of sums it up there.

I think it's mainly education/cultural indoctrination, to be honest. People are taught to equate violence with masculinity and virtue. It's honestly considered morally appropriate for anyone who is even suspected of a crime at this point, to be sentenced such that they never see the light of day again.

I think the way Americans live with themselves while holding this attitude, is also via the degree of mental externalisation/otherisation that goes on. In other words, if a person gets locked up and the key thrown away, that's perfectly fine, just as long as it's someone else. It's even better if you can play spectator and feel morally superior to the criminality of the poor slob as he gets dragged off to solitary.

Likewise, for Arabs, Jews, black people, hispanics, and Asians to be murdered by the hundreds of thousands is considered laudable; but let one porcelain skinned, blonde American get sent home in a plastic bag while engaging in said orgy of genocide, and the proverbial wailing and gnashing of teeth can be heard from Canada to Mexico.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Agreed. The right to own firearms is part of the essence of the original American concept of freedom and liberty.

The ability to take arms carries a heavy weight of responsibility and introduces the possibility of great violence, but it serves to guarantee the sovereignty of the individual citizen.

All liberty is thus. There are few guarantees in life, but the American citizen is perpetually granted the ability to act as a sovereign. For over two hundred years, the vast majority of us have continued to willfully deposit that sovereignty under the Constitution, as a people united rather than as individuals. One of the unique aspects of America and the Constitution is that so many truly free individuals continue to submit to rule of a Republic that essentially offers a perpetual escape clause.

America is free, and under the second Amendment, empowered to dissolve its government at any moment. The flexibility of the Constitution, coupled with such an empowered poplulace, continues to make such an action unnecessary. We have the gift of change laid out at our feet at all times and the path of cooperation has at all times, save for once (the Civil War), been the choice the overwhelming majority of us make every day.

I think that is amazing! And worth the neverending civil struggle it takes to sustain it. I am a sovereign, but every day I choose to submit my sovereignty to my fellow citizens. It is by no means a perfect compromise, but I am free because I have the choice to submit.

The wheat of this freedom also implies the chaff of constant threat. If I had to put my finger on the "American" brand of insecurity, this is a big part of it. All my neighbors are sovereign too, and if they choose to exercise that right as individuals, I am in trouble.

My biggest complaint is that we are lax in a sense of civic responsibility, and this not only degrades the value and function of our Republic, but increases the chance of people choosing to "break away" rather than cooperate. I think THAT is what causes gun violence in America.

The older I get the more I try to actively encourage a sense of community because I am passionate about keeping this American experiment going. Community and civic responsibility provide the gravity that can keep this strange amalgamation of individuals from spinning apart. And the longer we keep it together (responsibly and without undue greed or zealotry) the better chance we have of adding to this legacy of civilization we are so fortunate to have inherited.

On a larger scale, all nations are faced with the same struggle....to maintain independence and yet submit to a community.

It is an uneasy thing, to share sovereignty. Freedom is very rarely the same as peace of mind!

Originally posted by radosta

Originally posted by 8ILlBILl8
It all started when action movies wear born. Then MAIN STREAM rap and now video games. At least %75 of video games are about killing.

Tell you what, you develop and market a video game about peace. Points for every hug. You may even get government subsidies for it.
You won't sell a single game, mind you.
Why? Because the point is entertainment. No conflict = boredom. And that sort of sums it up there.

Speaking of peaceful games, this cracked me up.. Had to post it...

reply to post by m1991


I am sorry but you are wrong, Ghandi knew the world was not so simple.

"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent."
Mahatma Gandhi

or

"Man for man, the strength of non-violence is in exact proportion to the ability, not the will, of the non-violent person to inflict violence."
Mahatma Gandhi

At other times Ghandi was an absolute pacifist to the point of being ridiculous, such as when he was asked what to do if a robber came into your home, and his final awnser, not to compel the robber to inflict more violence on you or your neighbors, to leave all your possessions by an open window, and let the robber steal you blind.

Ghandi believed the robber would develop a guilty conscience and return all your belongings, and even work for you.

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by CherubBaby
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I think your info and the way you opinionize your content makes this obviously an "Op Ed" piece.. Did you conduct a survey to arrive at these conclusions? And BTW when you say Americans are "This and That and Feel like This and That" You are talking about yourself too.. If you are an American....

I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the 'average American'. I mean it's proven fact about 2/3 of Americans support the death penalty and a similar number think an innocent person has been put to death. It's also proven fact most Americans are fanatical about guns and resent people who are on public assistance.

I would like to see the literature in which you get your conclusions from. And there are MUCH worse countries out there than just Americans. And what does being fanatical about guns have anything to do with it? You can be interested in the science behind the weapons, the mechanics behind the weapon. Perhaps you're a professional target shooter, perhaps you like plinking? Owning guns does not always equal mindless violence lover.

In fact, I own quite a few, but I would never even think to harm another living being with one of them unless my family is threatened. Yes, there are a few idiots, but that's with EVERY nation, with EVERY country. You have extremists all over the place.

But I don't, and will continue not to think, that there is something even considered an 'average American'. Despite what most people think, this nation is too diverse. Of course, that is just my opinion on the matter.

Here in Philippines, we usually Respect them!

and whenever we see american, all people are watching them.. and observed how they Act.

Just what i did to my uncle.

AnD they are superior in terms of theories!