Why are Americans so Vengeful?

The U.S. also was totaly agaisnt Vietcong mass murder of the Vietnamese and everyone else did nothing.So one could argue they do more to help the world than any other country,but they may be going overboard with to much progress.

Originally posted by dbarnhart
When American Presidents leave office the live out their remaining years in peace. In many other countires, the new regime arrests them, gives them a show trial, and imprisons them or worse. And you say that Americans are vengeful?

Earlier this year when a Congresswoman was shot, the assailant was not torn limb-from-limb by the crowd. Instead he was held down until the proper authorities arrived. In addition, no riot ensued. No cars were overturned or burned. No shops were looted. And you say that Americans are vengeful?

Have you not heard of the Trojan War? When the Trojans made off with the Queen of Sparta, the Greeks attacked Troy, killed all the males, enslaved all the females, and made the very ground infertal. America on the otherhand did inflict terrible damage upon her enemies during WWII, we then spent billions of dollars rebuilding their countires. And you say we are vengeful?

You're comparing America to societies thousands of years old and also to dictatorships in second and third world countries. My premise was that America is far more vengeful and militaristic than other modern first world countries.

Anyway, I'm done debating this. People are just accusing me of hating America, telling me to leave, it's kind of immature really. I just wish people could imagine peace. I'm glad even a few of you can to be honest, I consider that an accomplishment.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S. also was totaly agaisnt Vietcong mass murder of the Vietnamese and everyone else did nothing.So one could argue they do more to help the world than any other country,but they may be going overboard with to much progress.

yeah but we still went to war, didn't we?

Originally posted by dbarnhart
When American Presidents leave office the live out their remaining years in peace. In many other countires, the new regime arrests them, gives them a show trial, and imprisons them or worse. And you say that Americans are vengeful?

Earlier this year when a Congresswoman was shot, the assailant was not torn limb-from-limb by the crowd. Instead he was held down until the proper authorities arrived. In addition, no riot ensued. No cars were overturned or burned. No shops were looted. And you say that Americans are vengeful?

Have you not heard of the Trojan War? When the Trojans made off with the Queen of Sparta, the Greeks attacked Troy, killed all the males, enslaved all the females, and made the very ground infertal. America on the otherhand did inflict terrible damage upon her enemies during WWII, we then spent billions of dollars rebuilding their countires. And you say we are vengeful?

People do not make any sense man.The U.S.has done more than any other country to help the world.

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S. also was totaly agaisnt Vietcong mass murder of the Vietnamese and everyone else did nothing.So one could argue they do more to help the world than any other country,but they may be going overboard with to much progress.

yeah but we still went to war, didn't we?

Part of vietnam is free because of it right?

Originally posted by obummerdeception

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S. also was totaly agaisnt Vietcong mass murder of the Vietnamese and everyone else did nothing.So one could argue they do more to help the world than any other country,but they may be going overboard with to much progress.

yeah but we still went to war, didn't we?

Part of vietnam is free because of it right?

no the whole country is still communist. though it's probably in some ways freer than the USA is ....

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S. also was totaly agaisnt Vietcong mass murder of the Vietnamese and everyone else did nothing.So one could argue they do more to help the world than any other country,but they may be going overboard with to much progress.

yeah but we still went to war, didn't we?

Yeah when we left the war Vietcong massacred and mass murdered millions of Vietnamese who where totaly innocent and did nothing.We fought in the U.S.over politics while they where being mass murdered by communist Vietcong who brainwashed kids to commit suicide for them.

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Part of Korea is free, but all of Vietnam was ultimately claimed by the Communist forces.

It all started when action movies wear born. Then MAIN STREAM rap and now video games. At least %75 of video games are about killing.

Originally posted by m1991
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And let's face it, the reason Americans are gun-crazed isn't just because of the Second Amendment. It's because a lot of people here just love the idea of blowing someone's head off if they intrude on their property. Not to mention people love guns because they wanna feel like they're in a Hollywood movie or on the TV show Lost (love the show, but how many hundreds of gun scenes are in it?) The argument that banning guns would increase crime because only criminals would have them is wrong. If that were true, Australia, Canada, and Britain would have far more gun-related murders than the States. Besides, otherwise law abiding citizens who loved guns could still obtain them illegally if they wanted to badly enough, so it wouldn't be that ONLY thugs had guns, it would be simply a lot less people in general would have guns.
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You are obviously very young, and very naive. Sorry but that is the truth. People don't love guns because they want to blow someone's head off if they intrude their house. Either you have played too many single player shooters, or you hate guns with a passion just because your young friends hate them as well.

You are obviously also extremely ignorant of U.S. history. The Brittish knew that the American colonists would revolt sooner or later because they were being taxed to death literally, so the Brittish grabbed the weapons in some colonies and locked them up to avoid having the American settlers armed. A group of Americn settlers broke into the building where the guns were being locked and passed the weapons to other American settlers.

Americans know what happens when guns are banned from first hand experience, and the founding fathers knew that even the government could become dictatorial, and that is the main reason why the second Amendment exists.

BTW, the UK has more crimes than the U.S., and obviously you are ignorant as well to the fact that since the gun ban in the UK, crimes, and crimes with guns HAVE INCREASED, not decreased.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Britains violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the worlds most dangerous countries.
The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.


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The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
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www.dailymail.co.uk...

You did not even bother to research for facts, because if you had you would have encountered facts such as.

Two years after the ban of guns in the UK...

Monday, 16 July, 2001, 04:50 GMT 05:50 UK
Handgun crime 'up' despite ban


A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliances Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.
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news.bbc.co.uk...

12 years after the gun ban in the U.K...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
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www.dailymail.co.uk...


It is easy for a young, very inexperienced person to claim "guns are evil" when you were born and have lived in a society which made it possible for you to have the freedoms you have because of GUNS, yet because of the naive and extremely ignorant view that "guns are evil" people like you want for LAW ABIDDING CITIZENS to be deprived of guns...

In case you don't know this you WILL NEVER deprive CRIMINALS from their guns, and firearms in general because CRIMINALS can easily get firearms and including guns from the black market.

When you make LAWS banning any firearm, you are banning LAW ABIDDING CITIZENS, and not CRIMINALS from owning them.

I wonder what are criminals known for?... Perhaps for not caring for LAWS?...

Vengeance is Mine sayeth AMERICA, and for good reason, the rest of the world is always getting their grubby little hooks in us

BTW, even Ghandi himself knew that a fully free country must be armed.

In his own autobiography Ghandi wrote...

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi (An Autobiography OR The story of my experiments with truth, by M.K. Gandhi, p.238)

www.abhijeetsingh.com...

The U.S.would have won the Vietnam War if politics back home did not get in the way.They did not want to take any more deaths.The war was fought very poorly as well.

Originally posted by Qemyst
Guns ABSOLUTELY can kill people. So do knives. So do rocks, pieces of wood, swords, a video game controller, a fork, a sharpened spoon, a high heel shoe, a regular shoe, bombs, a rope, a bike chain, a pipe, a broken beer bottle, a sharp piece of metal, a pencil, a pen, cars...

I feel that all of the above things should have MUCH stricter rules on them. Many of the items can be used to bludgeon someone to death, or inflict lethal stab wounds, or blow someone up... I'm sure i missed some things. Oh yeah, wrenches, screwdrivers, a saw... uhh... Probably still missing some things.

Cheers

edit on 2-9-2011 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)

You forgot "loganberries" pineapples and "pointed sticks"
I'm sorry your post fairly begs for this video(silly as it is):

Originally posted by Jobeycool

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S. also was totaly agaisnt Vietcong mass murder of the Vietnamese and everyone else did nothing.So one could argue they do more to help the world than any other country,but they may be going overboard with to much progress.

yeah but we still went to war, didn't we?

Yeah when we left the war Vietcong massacred and mass murdered millions of Vietnamese who where totaly innocent and did nothing.We fought in the U.S.over politics while they where being mass murdered by communist Vietcong who brainwashed kids to commit suicide for them.

Well we sure did try didn't we?? What did other countries do?

IF China had not be feeding them troops it would of been over..

Vietnam is Socialist Republic of Vietnam not communist.

The North was already mass murdering.

reply to post by m1991

Guns, bombs and missiles are not inherently "bad" or "evil". How about the men who have them made and convince others to use them against their fellow mankind? I think the intent to commit murder and the act of murder itself is about as low as one can humanly sink. What crime can be worse than whole sale murder of whole peoples for their land and resources? It's not who or how many people you kill in the name of God or War or Law, its the justification for that act of murder (killing) that you stand behind when you cry Foul or Revenge or Lebensraum.

All that will matter in the end is what you have done for (or to) your fellow human beings.

In todays world I don't see how Adolf Hitler and the looney Nazi movement would have been destroyed.Look up the Berlin bombing if you want to see total wiping out any history left and any support for Adolf Hitler.The U.S.and Britian carpet bombed all of Berlin and the U.S.did the same to Japan and both places are way better today.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S.would have won the Vietnam War if politics back home did not get in the way.They did not want to take any more deaths.The war was fought very poorly as well.

Vietnam was never meant to be won, it was a OP for CIA to sell arms, opium, rubber, oil, etc

It did what it was set in motion to perform

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, even Ghandi himself knew that a fully free country must be armed.

In his own autobiography Ghandi wrote...

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi (An Autobiography OR The story of my experiments with truth, by M.K. Gandhi, p.238)

www.abhijeetsingh.com...

Not exactly.

Quote: msgboard.snopes.com...

Your quote, though interesting, is taken way out of context. This is actually an excerpt from a leaflet Gandhi was passing around to gain recruits to fight for Britain during World War I. Organizers of a war conference, which Gandhi wanted to attend, quoted the leaflet as a way of illustrating that their political views differed from Gandhi's. In order to boot the British out of India, Gandhi engaged in many savvy, polemical activities designed to move India toward Home Rule. Distribution of this leaflet was apparently one of them. He certainly did not include the leaflet quote in his autobiography to support any opinion, one way or the other, on gun control. Reading the quote in context makes this crystal, sparkling clear. The passage in which the quote occurs has absolutely nothing to do with gun control or gun legislation.

Furthermore, to the best of my knowledge, at no point in Gandhi's 90-volume collected writings does he ever express a belief in an individual's right to keep and bear arms. It would certainly be weird if he did. If Gandhi will be remembered for anything, it will be for his passionate dedication to two principles. The first is ahimsa, a Hindu vow to never consciously injure another living creature. The second is satyagraha, the belief that non-violent methods are the only methods that should ever be used to resist injustice and tyranny. The leaflet quote simply doesn't reflect Gandhi's actual beliefs in any way.

Originally posted by anumohi

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The U.S.would have won the Vietnam War if politics back home did not get in the way.They did not want to take any more deaths.The war was fought very poorly as well.

Vietnam was never meant to be won, it was a OP for CIA to sell arms, opium, rubber, oil, etc

It did what it was set in motion to perform

To much conspiracy mentality with some people.I like conspriacies but some people take them way over board.