New ATS Member Claiming To Have Important Warning/Information. You Be The Judge...

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical

Are there any other ETS, or slow slip faults in the world?

If so, I tell you what I need to see.

You know that app that shows who's visiting a site on a spinning globe?

From the paper I quoted way back in the day: "ETS events have been recognized in subduction zones around the world."

From Wikipedia: "The first kind of ETS tremors are similar to those observed in the forearc region of southern Japan, and have also been spotted in Alaska, Costa Rica, and Mexico. The second triggered variety has now been seen under Vancouver Island, under Japan, on the San Andreas in California, and under Taiwan."

Unfortunately, I can't help with the rest.

Tidbit for consideration:

Our first results show that on March 8 th a rapid increase of emitted infrared radiation was observed from the satellite data and an anomaly developed near the epicenter. The GPS/TEC data indicate an increase and variation in electron density reaching a maximum value on March 8. Starting on this day in the lower ionospheric there was also confirmed an abnormal TEC variation over the epicenter. From March 3‐11 a large increase in electron concentration was recorded at all four Japanese ground based ionosondes, which return to normal after the main earthquake. We found a positive correlation between the atmospheric and ionospheric anomalies and the Tohoku earthquake.

Report at Cornell University

It's downloadable if you want to read the whole thing.



Anyone have any idea what the hell is up with ATS media?

Originally posted by CLPrime

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical

Are there any other ETS, or slow slip faults in the world?

If so, I tell you what I need to see.

You know that app that shows who's visiting a site on a spinning globe?

From the paper I quoted way back in the day: "ETS events have been recognized in subduction zones around the world."


From Wikipedia: "The first kind of ETS tremors are similar to those observed in the forearc region of southern Japan, and have also been spotted in Alaska, Costa Rica, and Mexico. The second triggered variety has now been seen under Vancouver Island, under Japan, on the San Andreas in California, and under Taiwan."

Unfortunately, I can't help with the rest.

That's about the jist of it...the closest example for the CSZ is Japan. This is why I suspect the article I linked earlier about it HERE is telling. I believe that there is a good chance some of the data collected recently was possibly gathered from the Japan quake, hence the connection with the CSZ.

Remember, I want to remind you that we just had another ETS event here on Vancouver Island 3 months early, and it behaved different than in the past. Granted, the history is VERY short, so we don't really KNOW what is normal historically....but still. I don't like coincidences.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by megabogie

 

ok guys, not only do i find the antipode correlation strange ... but i landed in the middle of the sea too ... so, i loooooked harrrrder and this is some of what i found ...
closest antipode region to Afghanistan is ... duh, duh, duh ... the Falkland Islands.

yes, in the middle of the ocean ... BUT
are you aware of what Else is going on in the Falklands ???

perhaps we should indulge further, here's why

Link 1
Tim Bushell, Chief Executive of FOGL, said, "The Toroa exploration well was the first well in a previously undrilled frontier basin and although the outcome was disappointing the full analysis of the data has provided encouragement. The mid Cretaceous and Tertiary plays are entirely unaffected by the result and we are pursuing these in 2011. As such we have decided to undertake further site surveys in the now 100% owned southern license area. In the meantime, we continue to work to secure a suitable deepwater rig and negotiations are currently underway."

if you follow the story, SEVERAL shale plays are in motion ... we all know where that leads, right?
here's more:

link 2
The most encouraging CSEM anomalies have been identified over the following 7 prospects: Loligo, Garrodia, Nimrod, Caird, Toroa, Lutra and Undine. These prospects also benefit from seismically derived direct hydrocarbon indications. All of these features could contain large amounts of oil and gas, with individual prospects containing potential recoverable volumes (mean un-risked resources) ranging up to 3,500 million barrels. FOGL has focussed its work during the last year on a shortlist of ten prospects, which promise to offer the lowest exploration risk and largest resource volumes. This prospect inventory has the potential to hold, on a cumulative basis, in excess of 10 billion barrels oil equivalent (mean, un-risked resources). In addition, FOGL has identified over 90 other leads, which are not included in this estimate.

** emphasis mine

now, i'm not sure by any stretch of the imagination if this is what Mike references, however, it is certainly worth looking into further.

Not far from this patch of land soon to be exploited is the South Sandwich Islands.
and for those paying attention, seismic adjustments are frequently recorded there.

Also notice, these are not deepwater OIL wells but Hydrocarbon/shale plays ... like Arkansas only much deeeeeeper, more mysterious (due to lack of evaluation and failure of initial well - see above links), unproven, seismically active and wow ... wowowow

i hope i'm really out in left field with this one but by the coordinates and suggested search parameters, this is some of what i've found.
can anyone imagine a disaster like the GoM x50 or so ???
if the GoM rigs are threatened by wind and rain ... what kind of damage do YOU think the region would be likely to produce ??
cue the teammates, please

Okay, just incase someone doesn't have enough to think about ...in light of this post, I want to share with you a thread I did last year in regards to deep drilling:

The MOHO: Has BP drilled into it??

reply to post by jadedANDcynical

ahha, you were editing ... i did see that post but not the edit, i was playing with the antipode app.

actually J&C, you probably won't believe this but NO, no familiarity with the app you mentioned.
just got a droid recently and haven't even loaded google earth yet ... for that matter, i haven't even used GE yet.
(yes, i'm slow, it happens over time)

as for resonance, agreed (been preaching that theory to deaf ears for yrs)
matter of fact, before Japan, several comments were made about the tracks (plots) and exterior forces (hurricane i think) resembling the figure of tuning fork.
so yes, i agree the resonance is a very important contributor, however, sound waves are not the only energy source released. (i'm sure you know that)

i love that your link uses a swing as an example ... my favorite toy of all time

Yes, the antipode is also, but it's more concentric.

this is the one sentence that baffles me.
i understand what it says, i just don't see it that way ... i disagree?

btw, the video is cool ... tell your friend thank you for his contribution, it was thoroughly enjoyed.
ok, here's my take on the antipode action (please don't hold my lack of correct terminology against me)

when the water is introduced at the surface, the big splash (or crater i think he said) began the concentric surface wave pattern around the globe. [much like skipping stones in the creek or ripple effect]

it seemed to me that the more chaotic action was produced by the body waves traveling through the globe ... until they meet at the antipode and a secondary but less explosive crater also occurs as the surface waves continue on til they finally rest.

it appeared as though the body waves created greater internal movement whereas the surface itself (much like earth @ 70% water) appears to flex with the motion.

now i'll be the first to admit my eyes are way less than 100% so perhaps my view is askew, but that's what i think i saw. care to expand on my on or off target commentary?

Yes there was a month or more slow slip EQ in the Gorda PLate, southern CSZ a couple years ago that I heard of for sure, and there's been slow slip EQs off the Oregon coast but dont remeber when. Ill check.

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
Tidbit for consideration:

Our first results show that on March 8 th a rapid increase of emitted infrared radiation was observed from the satellite data and an anomaly developed near the epicenter. The GPS/TEC data indicate an increase and variation in electron density reaching a maximum value on March 8. Starting on this day in the lower ionospheric there was also confirmed an abnormal TEC variation over the epicenter. From March 3‐11 a large increase in electron concentration was recorded at all four Japanese ground based ionosondes, which return to normal after the main earthquake. We found a positive correlation between the atmospheric and ionospheric anomalies and the Tohoku earthquake.

Report at Cornell University

It's downloadable if you want to read the whole thing.

Thanks J&C. That's the kind of data that the Russians have been looking into since the 70s. It's fascinating stuff but I don't understand it well enough and wish I did. And in a weird way this ties into Fukushima research, as I think there's is some kind of electro-magnetic (EM) pulse being emitted from there, a form of radiation we don't understand.

I think earthquakes put out some kind of EM signal as well, much in advance. The Russians were picking stuff up two weeks before the event. But so little effort has been put into understanding this stuff other than the Russians work. And I don't think there's enough time left now to get that one together.

I want to understand all the different types of electro-magnetic waves and how they interact with other EMs as well as the rest of life.

Today, Sept. 15th, for the first time since July 23, there are no tremors reported here

www.pnsn.org...

reply to post by berkeleygal


Yup. Is it wierd that this bothers me? A lot?

For anyone wanting to learn more about the deep tremors, that site Berkleygal linked is my bible on it:

tremor site


You have to make sure to take advantage of the links on that page. Especially this one:

ETS info

Errgh... my head aches and not from the cold! After playing catchup and having a crash course in earth sciences, I see the importance of ETS.

So for us new to this (and I was terrible at physics, ok?!) my very basic understanding is any form or friction will give heat off as energy (linking into J&C's tidbit of heat anomaly over Fukushima prior to their quake).

As ETS are 'silent' to seismos, then higher 'temperatures' - or whatever else can be measured - along with links into GPS data for horizontal and vertical movement may indicate an ETS event taking place.

These guys (TM's team if they exist) with the data to hand at their geology departments wherever they be, may suddenly have started feeling alarmed because of an 'absence' of this data? If there were no ETS moments or indeed measurable tremors occurring around a known subducting plate, would that then indeed point to a locked plate, pressure build-up, increase in heat? Just hypothesizing here!

And the gals above this post have pointed out there is an absence of activity... shame we can't find out if there is an absence of ETS...

Sigh - it sounds nuts! I think I had better go back to page one of this thread!!

reply to post by berkeleygal

I'm right there with ya, girls. The inactivity bothers me... Hope a plate didn't lock.

I stayed up and watched the LA swarm till morning last night. Tons of micro quakes and some 3-4 mag stuff all over. Saw the Vancouver, Cuba quakes go down... The shortly after that, the LA swarm stopped. I've been checking USGS all day, and LA/CA has been strangely quiet all day. If I didn't know any better, I'd say LA could be in for a shaker soon.

Given what we've learned about ETS, really concerns me that there was a swarm, then some big quakes farther away, which killed the swarm, then pretty quiet world wide, then big one in Fiji region, then back to global quiet...

reply to post by jadedANDcynical


J&C...would that resonance pattern--degree sequence--wouldnt that substantiate the idea we have floated here about EQs being noted along the degrees of latitude (like the discussion we had earlier on this thread about the 37th Parallel--with the recent VA and CO ).

I am glad to see I'm not the only one going ten different directions in this and not quite grasping everything to boot.

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and throw in the dirty "H" word here, but in a positive way. On the Quake watch thread, a poster named Roald posted some very good links. One was to a BBC article dated in 2008 that stated electrical disturbances in the ionosphere can be precursors to quakes.

One study looked at over 100 earthquakes with magnitudes of 5.0 or larger in Taiwan over several decades. The researchers found that almost all of the earthquakes down to a depth of about 35km were preceded by distinct electrical disturbances in the ionosphere.

It went on to explain this:

It boils down to the idea that when rocks are compressed - as when tectonic plates shift - they act like batteries, producing electric currents.

When they travel to the surface of the Earth, the surface becomes positively charged. And this charge can be strong enough to affect the ionosphere, causing the disturbances documented by satellites.

These were findings of a father and son team from NASA Ames Research Center!!

Now the dirty H-word. I know very little about HAARP and I've seen enough arguing over it on here to realize it's not a productive debate to get involved in. But...what I'm getting at is if these electrical currents are disturbed in the ionosphere due to plate shifting and they really feel a large quake is imminent, couldn't HAARP be used to counteract the charged ionosphere which could then maybe settle down the plate shifting? You know, that sounds more stupid written out than it did in my head.

links:www.abovetopsecret.com...
news.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by megabogie


Arghhh!! You used the 'H' word!

All good reading right up to the point that naughty word was used!

reply to post by Bugglesby


Is the H-word, better or worse than, the E-word?

reply to post by Robin Marks


ARRRRRGGGHHHH!! The E word! Worse, Robin... much worse!! Gotta dash - school run

reply to post by Robin Marks


I would take the "H" over the "E" anyday. But I am assuming that once the plates are in motion, especially active enough to cause the electrical charge in ionosphere that nothing could make it stop. Or could it?

reply to post by Bugglesby


I was reluctant to use that terrible word but since we're basking here in the troll-free hoax bin, I thought I'd throw in some controversy!

So..... no more from our friend? Has anyone heard from him/her?

According to USGS, you cannot prevent an earthquake. However:

a small Israeli company named Terramoto has recently proposed a three stage method which its inventor, Meny Nachman, believes will not only help predict earthquakes with very high accuracy but also be able to stop some of them from occurring altogether

Another predicting method:

Using drilling equipment (again borrowed from the oil industry) extract a sample of the rock and evaluate its strength, and combined with the ultrasound scan determine its size and shape. This data is then used to create advanced mathematical models that can predict how much pressure the rock could endure before succumbing to the sheer force of the tectonic plate. The amount of pressure built up can be a good indication of the possible force of the earthquake that can be unleashed when the rock eventually shatters.

And then the preventing:

When a high-magnitude earthquake has been predicted it is possible to drill up to 10 kilometers inside the ground and place explosives inside the rock in order to perform a series of controlled blasts to weaken the rock, gradually relieving the built-up energy accumulated over the years.

And of course the money and politics:

The idea behind the system is not entirely new, and although there are some technological obstacles in the way, the main reason such systems have not been implemented in the past are more political then technological.

Needless to say, this is considered controversial. An interesting read though

Links: earthquake.usgs.gov...
www.isracast.com...

Now, I'm officially fried. I better go do something non-computer related for awhile

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

I just lost a very well constructed and worded post to BSOD

I'm going to start composing my posts in Open Office that way I hopefully won't loose the post. It would be ok if chrome didn't log me off of ATS and stayed logged in that way when it restored my previous session, everything would still be in place.

Anyway...


reply to post by Honor93

When referencing the concentric nature of the seismic energy at the antipodal point from an earthquake, what I am thinking of is this:

The surface (good point you made separating body waves from surface waves) energy arrives at the antipodal point from (nearly) all directions simultaneously thus have more evenness to them in amplitude, velocity, and effect. The energy reaches the antipodal point, reflects off of itself ( or passes through itself) and then begins making it's way back to it's originating point.

Conversely, as the energy passes points on the surface away from the antipodal point, it is coming from the direction of the epicenter and then passing on it's way to the antipode. There is some loss due to attenuation, but a sizable earthquake releases a lot of potential energy so signal loss will vary with mileage.

As the waves (energy) pass various points on the surface (and within the body) interference patterns are generated. In some areas, due to positive feedback, the seismic stresses are increased substantially more than the original wave front. In other areas the revers is true, i.e. stresses are substantially reduced (below even the level that existed prior to the passing of the seismic energy) due to negative feedback.

We know that a lessening of seismic strain in a volcano could induce eruption:

1. Stress changes caused by large earthquakes may either compress or expand nearby magma reservoirs. In the former case, the compression could increase the reservoir pressure, while in the latter case, the expansion could cause tensile (opening) fractures, around the reservoir. Either way, conditions promoting eruption may become more favorable after a large nearby earthquake.

2. High amplitude seismic waves passing through a magma reservoir may cause the nucleation of bubbles within the magma and/or the disturbance of previously stable layers within the reservoir. Bubble creation can increase magma pressure, and layer destabilization can cause reservoir “overturn” where dense layers of relatively gas-poor magma sink forcing gas-rich magma to rise. Either of these events could prompt an eruption.

USGS information for public consumption As we have come to learn, what the actual state of the art in this field of science (and probably MANY more) is far beyond what the general public is allowed to be aware of.

Specifically regarding resonance, as you know resonance affects other energy types than only sound. More from the site I used earlier since you like it so much:

Resonance requires 3 basic conditions:

A) An Object With a Natural Frequency: The object can be a mechanical device or an electronic circuit. An object's natural frequency is the frequency it tends to oscillate at when disturbed. The oscillation can be a mechanical vibration as is the case when the string of a guitar is strummed. In an electronic circuit the oscillation is a variable voltage or current. An object can have more than one natural frequency. These are called harmonics. A guitar string sounds musical because it vibrates with several harmonics when it is strummed.

B) A Forcing Function at the Same Frequency as the Natural Frequency: In mechanical systems the forcing function is a variable force. In electronic circuits it arises from a variable electric field. In either case the forcing function does work on the object it is applied to. Since work is a form of energy transfer it causes energy to build up in the object.

C) A Lack of Damping or Energy Loss: For an object to resonate, mechanical or electrical energy has to build up in the object. Anything which removes these forms of energy tends to interfere with resonance. Damping is a means of removing electrical or mechanical energy by converting it to heat. The term damping should not be confused with the term dampening which means to make something slightly wet. Friction, air resistance, and viscous drag can all provide damping in mechanical systems. Electrical resistance performs the same function in electronic circuits. Other forms of energy loss can include sound (musical instruments) or light emissions (lasers).

emphasis mine

More to follow (I HATE the new post limits!!!!!)