Women are better endurance athelettes than men.

To be honest, I am FED UP with that women vs. men crap.
It does just the opposite fake feminists are trying to do.
Because a real feminist will not go out there saying how females are superior (which is not true, both genders are equal).
A real feminist believes in gender equality by not pointing out the differences but either accepting them or ignoring them. A real feminist will never feel the need to prove that either gender is superior to the other, because no one of them is superior.
I am utterly appalled at people that claim one sex is superior while we are equal.

Yes, many men are better at cooking and dancing than most women. And many women are better at running than most guys. So what? That only proves my point we are equal, we just play different gender roles, that's all. I don't like them either, but that's how things are.

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird

Originally posted by Midyew
I am very tired and have not read this ENTIRE thread, BUT; From what I have read, I see one disturbing trend. A serious separation of the sexes. This is not good. Men and Women are EQUAL!!! There is no which one is better than the other. We need each other. I am a married man and I understand the extreme importance of both sexes.

If society as a whole doesn't get over this separation (among other separations) we will NEVER solve anything wrong with this world.

WE. ARE. ONE.

NO men and women are not EQUAL. And any who think so will be in for a rude awakening, not saying that males are better, or that females are better. But there not equal that's for sure, even a blind man can see that.

Both males and females have things about them that make the other sex either love or hate them, and in some things one or the other is usually better at, but such is life. If we were all equal then there would not be any such thing as male or female gender. So love it or hate it....it is what it is.

But I know its all semantics so I wont even bother. You might want to reevaluate what equal means to you, and what equal actually means. A dictionary would help.

Equal, As in; Males are Human and Females are human. One CANNOT survive without the other. You're thinking of it on an individual basis. I'm seeing it from a worldly perspective.

Also, you admit you're not saying males are better or females are better, but if neither is better then the only thing left to be is equal.

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Were you training for the olympics?

Were you training for the olympics?

No, not at all. My competitive spirit was limited to races I ran and playing other games (including the aforementioned racquetball). I did not have the required "runner physique" to run in the Olympics.

I could run a 4:18 mile, and an 8:43 two mile. So not a terrible slouch, but hardly the best, either.

People also have to realize the more weight you carry it requires more energy. Its well known if you have the weight to lose and lose it, it will make you faster. You beat that girl in a race and I bet you outweighed her by quite a few pounds....

This thread is hogwash as I still haven't heard why male wheelchair marathoners beat female ones. hmmmmm

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Then by that thinking wouldn't that make her a better athlete than you? The physical shortcomings are not always gender specific. There have been many men and women that have overcome disadvantages. If you read the article in my post you'll see that the fastest women in endurance running was shorter than me. Yet she managed to come in pretty close to the fastest man. Who was much taller than her. She overcame more of a physical shortcoming than he did according to the data. Wouldn't that also make her the superior athlete? Despite not crossing the line first imo she was a better athlete than him.

Btw, I'm not trying to claim that women are better at all things in life. I'm saying that women endurance athletes are slightly better athletes than men, if you accept the two that were compared as worthy subjects to represent their gender in the debate.

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Ok let me tell you what every other male in the world knows. You do have superior upper body strength. Women have superior core and lower body strength (for their size). That's why men have more back injuries. Men rely on their large shoulders and arms to lift something, women rely on their legs, hips, and core strength.

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Btw, I'm not trying to claim that women are better at all things in life. I'm saying that women endurance athletes are slightly better athletes than men, if you accept the two that were compared as worthy subjects to represent their gender in the debate.

Have you ever done an endurance run against a man?

Then by that thinking wouldn't that make her a better athlete than you? The physical shortcomings are not always gender specific. There have been many men and women that have overcome disadvantages. If you read the article in my post you'll see that the fastest women in endurance running was shorter than me. Yet she managed to come in pretty close to the fastest man. Who was much taller than her. She overcame more of a physical shortcoming than he did according to the data. Wouldn't that also make her the superior athlete? Despite not crossing the line first imo she was a better athlete than him.

Btw, I'm not trying to claim that women are better at all things in life. I'm saying that women endurance athletes are slightly better athletes than men, if you accept the two that were compared as worthy subjects to represent their gender in the debate.

Well no, I can't say she was a better athlete. Had I put the hours of training in she had, I have no doubt I'd have been that much faster still. Her size was a -benefit- to her.. not a deficit. My large legs while giving me strength, also were a heck of a lot more work to lug around on the same track.

But like I said, does it honestly matter? At the end of the day, I was a faster runner. And it didn't matter to either one of us. I respected her highly for what she could do, and the effort she put into it. You can put any study down you want, but at the end of the day, someone is going to go over the finish line first, and that's what matters, at least in races.

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The two most grueling endurance events ever held!!!

The Race Across America, or RAAM, is an ultra marathon bicycle race across the United States that started in 1982 as the Great American Bike Race.

RAAM is among the best-known and longest annual endurance events in the world

The fastest men's speed was by Pete Penseyres in 1986, when he rode 3107 miles (5000 km) at 15.40mph (24.8 km/h) in 8 days, 9 hours, and 47 minutes.[8] The fastest woman was Seana Hogan in 1995, who averaged 13.23mph (21.3 km/h) to finish 2912 miles (4686 km) in 9 days, 4 hours, 2 minutes.

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The Badwater Ultramarathon describes itself as "the world's toughest foot race". It is a 135-mile (217 km) course starting at 282 feet (85 m) below sea level in the Badwater Basin, in California's Death Valley, and ending at an elevation of 8360 feet (2548 m) at Whitney Portal, the trailhead to Mount Whitney. It takes place annually in mid-July, when the weather conditions are most extreme and temperatures over 120 °F (49 °C), even in the shade, are not uncommon. Consequently, very few people—even among ultramarathoners—are capable of finishing this grueling race.

In 1994, Scott Weber became the first runner to cross from the summit of Mount Whitney to Badwater course solo without a crew. He did so by pushing a 'baby-jogger' cart with his supplies going oasis to oasis (20-30 miles (48 km) apart). Weber then continued on to complete 2 additional crossing with minimal support until being crewed full-time for the final 45 miles (72 km) of this 438+ mile journey.

In July 1999, Marshall Ulrich became the first and only runner to complete the 146-mile (235 km) Badwater-to-Summit course without a crew or resupply, denying himself the use of artificial shade or outside aid of any kind. Starting with 225 lb (102 kg) of gear and water loaded in a modified baby jogger, he pushed and pulled the cart to the Whitney trail head, then continued on to the summit with a pack. He reached Whitney's summit in seventy seven hours and forty six minutes.[2]

I think its safe to lock this thread now

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I had the fastest mile in HS. Fastest overall. I also bike with a male riding buddy and he has to stay in front of me or I get so far ahead of him he ends up riding alone. In mountain biking fastest rider goes in back so that the slower person doesn't get left behind. I'm always in back, on his tire, telling him the standard "I'm behind you" statement for safety's sake. So yes, I have. He doesn't get angry at me thank goodness. He does know who is faster though. His excuse is that I'm lighter and don't have as much weight to pedal. Which could be true.

I've met a few guys that can out run me, but not many.

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So? What are you trying to prove? Even the fact that you contrast male and female achievements is utterly sexist. And those studies, contrasting the men and women are utterly sexist crap. I'm from Eastern Europe and I thought the Western World was supposed to be the one that is less sexist?

I think people need to forget the terms "male" and "female". After all we are both human.

And yes, I am all for men in cooking, homemaking, synchronized swimming, looking after children and women in the army, going to the battlefield, being top bosses, wrestling, etc.

Oh and just because I'm male does NOT mean I should hold the door for a female or offer her a seat if she is not disabled, pregnant or elderly. If she is a young and healthy person, she is able open the door herself and she doesn't need a seat more than any male.. Females don't hold the door or offer their seats to males usually, right?
I offer my seat only to the pregnant, elderly and the disabled people. I am in no way inferior (or superior, we're equal) to a young and healthy female, so I don't have to offer my seat to her.

Society needs to become gender blind. Stop the divide! It shouldn't matter whether you have male or female sex organs, it's what kind of person you are that matters.

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Then you are a better endurance athlete than most men.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
This extensive test proves that per their size women are indeed faster at endurance running and sprinting than men. Why all the big talk from guys about how great they are? A man of equal height can't out run a woman, biologically speaking according to this. Isn't a simple footrace the manly end all to the discussion of who's better?

In this snipet they compare the two fastest cross country runners in the world. According to this the only thing keeping a male in front is his god given height, not any biological superiority.

That's great, but aren't men still faster if we look at the very top-level athletes? Let's compare two of the 'hottest' Kenyan runners - Paul Tergat, current world cross country champion, and Tegla Loroupe, winner of the 1994 New York Marathon and an assortment of other major races. Paul is 1.82 metres tall and has run the half-marathon (21 . 1 K) in about 60 minutes. Tegla is just 1.5 metres in height and covers the half-marathon in 68 minutes. Paul's pace for the half-marathon is about 11,593 heights/3600 seconds = 3.22 heights per second. Tegla's tempo is 14,067 heights/4080 seconds = 3.45 heights per second. Tegla is actually faster than the world champion male!

Here's another snippet of the comparison of the world's fastest male and female sprinters. According to this again, a man holds the record only by his god given height. The fastest woman is actually 2% faster.

What about world record performances? Certainly you would think that the very best male sprinter would be faster than the topmost female. Leroy Burrell, who stands 6 feet tall, currently holds the men's world record for 100 metres with a clocking of 9.85 seconds, which turns out to be a velocity of 5.55 heights per second. Florence Griffith-Joyner, who stands 5'6-1/2' tall, holds the women's world record for 100 metres with a time of 10.49 seconds, which is a speed of 5.64 heights per second. Using fair velocity comparisons (in heights per second, not metres per second), the fastest woman in the world is almost 2 per cent faster than the quickest man !

I think the attitude that women are inferior in terms of physical ability needs to be rethought. The fact that women are discouraged from participating in sports or any physically demanding environment is stupid.

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Unfortunately for you women, the reality is that you aren't as big or strong as us males, so you aren't better athletes. And if you were, the increase in size would likely have an effect on your stamina and other attributes anyway which would probably negate any advantage that you seem to think that you would have.

Men are stronger, faster and can run farther than females can. The mechanical differences around the pelvic area also makes us more agile. We move better.

In terms of performance, we are superior. Deal with it.

Ok let me tell you what every other male in the world knows. You do have superior upper body strength. Women have superior core and lower body strength (for their size). That's why men have more back injuries. Men rely on their large shoulders and arms to lift something, women rely on their legs, hips, and core strength.

Not.. always true you know.

Bigger Legs - Smaller Upper Body - On a guy!

I had smaller upper body, stronger core and legs. And my back was hosed after I got out of the Army. Probably from all the running.

Honestly.. I don't recommend running as a sport to anyone. It's unhealthy. For your blood, your joints, and other things. It's not a good thing to do. I do other things now to keep fit. I have a guy at work who keeps trying to talk me into running some Grand Canyon endurance race. Not gonna happen. I am through punishing my body unnaturally with long distance running. It's something the human body wasn't designed for, and it responds very badly to it.

wow nice job. gave u some stars

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fleabit you oughta try sprinting instead, rather than long distance. distance runners tend to look weak and frail, no muscle, as endurance burns fat AND muscle. sprinting burns fat and BUILDS muscle, and improves your joints over time if you do it on soft surfaces like grass or tracks rather than tarmac. go look up usain bolt, he's currently the worlds best sprinter. he looks absolutely ripped, I don't think he's gonna be throwing his back or knees out anytime soon! running for 100+miles just SOUNDS unhealthy, sprinting all out on grass for 5 minutes doesn't sound all that bad. and it improves your VO2 capacity just as well as endurance running, because for endurance running you normally need about 30 minutes before your body starts to burn fat, sprinting is instant. Usain has some of the craziest abs I've ever seen, the dude is a muscular beast, and it's because he sprints for a few minutes not jogs for a few hours.



cycling lowers sperm count, weights tear your joints/cartilage to hell (though it improves bone density). So I just use tension bands, big rubber things basically. I only jog as a warm up for sprinting, I'm not about to jog for 20 straight minutes or anything.

Ya, you're right. I think we should now reverse roles worldwide. Starting tomorrow we'll need all women to drive our trucks, man our moving vans and load our tractor trailers; drill our oil, build our skyscrapers, malls, and homes; mine our coal and copper, run our powerplants, build and run our trains and railroads, build and pilot our ships and planes; run our ranches and farms and don't forget to milk the cows. For every 100 of these jobs, we (men) will provide 1 guy. Then we'll squeal about equal rights and want special concessions because "it's too heavy". But you're absolutely right. Women can do all of this because they can run and endurance race better..................

I think you've got too much time on your hands, frankly.

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all those jobs, while there are certainly aspects of endurance, they all seem to be more of a strength thing. she's already gone over that with tennis and whatnot, not to mention men are faster wheelchair runners....it's not due to endurance being better in men, it's due to the fact that men's sheer upper body strength (pulling yourself along in a wheelchair is working out the arms not the legs) is better than women, so it negates all else. I think some people are reading too far into what she has posted, she's simply saying the endurance is better not the strength. you're not gonna see women replacing men at the mines, I don't recall her ever insinuating that, just for endurance stuff. somehow this turned into guys thinking that she claimed women are gonna took men's jobs or role in society or something.

still, the fact remains that women's advantage seems to be negated by men's strength, as I was only able to find lynne cox the swimmer that held an OUTRIGHT record over men.

fleabit you oughta try sprinting instead, rather than long distance. distance runners tend to look weak and frail, no muscle, as endurance burns fat AND muscle. sprinting burns fat and BUILDS muscle, and improves your joints over time if you do it on soft surfaces like grass or tracks rather than tarmac.

I've considered it, but I think my running days are done. I do agree wholeheartedly that long distance running is just not good for you. Basics in burning calories: If your body needs energy, it will take it from where it can get it. If fat is not available, it will take it from muscles, tendons, you name it. Your body basically eats you from the inside. This is not healthy. Also, they did a test on some function of blood from long distance runners. I don't even recall what it was, but it was akin to a 65 yo on a 25 yo long distance runner. Putting a body through that stress is just not worth it.

I prefer safer or more enjoyable stuff now. Swimming, I will run on a treadmill, but for no longer than 45 minutes.. racquetball, martial arts (which I highly recommend for getting fit), and weight lifting. I used to lead most races. Or run right behind the guy in front, and pass him the last couple hundred yards. And in either spot.. following the lead vehicle, or running just behind the guy in front.. it was mental hell. I either was always thinking "Holy crap.. this guy.. I can't dump him," or.. "holy crap.. this guy.. he is setting a stupid fast pace." And I'm sure he was feeling the same way. It's just painful and after I thought about it.. sort of pointless. You are like.. running... from one point to another.

Martial arts, while I may never actually need to know it, is so much more enjoyable. And honestly less painful than running.