2/3rds of the Angels Stood by us, do you appreciate that?

reply to post by newcovenant


Dear newcovenant,

Which I hoped I finally summed up in the last sentence....BECAUSE Humans are... Above Angels... and nearer to Gods.

I needed some time to determine what you were saying. You quoted someone else but I wasn't sure if you agreed with what they said or not, my apologies. You believe that BECAUSE we are above angels, we are nearer to God and they felt it necessary to side with us. I do hope I have summarized what I think you believe, if not please give some further clarification. I didn't expect this thread to have so many comments and to tell you the truth, sometimes it is hard to follow all of the different beliefs and aspects at one time.

Originally posted by 2x Helix
Pages upon pages of speculation is the only result that this thread can produce. With that said, we can never know each individual reason of the 2/3 who remained.

-What percentage stayed for humanity's sake?
-Which remained it out fear of God's wrath?
-What amount were simply impartial?

No answers can be found here. Okay, said my piece. Moving along then...

edit on 06/14/2011 by 2x Helix because: (no reason given)

Dear 2x Helix,

Actually I like your answer or questions. I agree that we do not know the answer and it is possible that different angels made their decisions for different reasons.

reply to post by zatara


Dear zatara,

At the time it was 2/3 of the angels that choose to stand by God, this was more than 2000 years ago? Is there any news about what the score is today? How come that it seems that those 1/3 have such a power to corrupt practically all humans...rich or poor?

Great question. I don't believe that they do corrupt us, I believe we choose to be corrupted. I think we have proven that we are more than capable of being corrupt or being good and that is always a choice that we make.

Originally posted by Comeuppance
I very much appreciate the 2/3. I feel the 1/3 that rebelled are constantly tempting humans to sin and commit horrible acts. The 2/3 good angels stand by us to protect us from that evil. Each person has free will to choose right from wrong, good from evil. I personally will take all the help I can get from the 2/3 angels that stood for goodness. Earth is a battleground and it is just getting worse. People need to choose which side they are on and get off of the fence!

Dear Comeuppance,

I am with you, I will take all the help I can get and people need to choose who they are and "get off the fence" and I am not talking about being believers, I am talking about choosing to be loving or selfish.

reply to post by bogomil


Dear bogomil,

Nope. I have detailed, direct, firsthand and extended experiences in this area myself. Unfortunately with what's called negative entities. They also tried to 'convert' me on a couple of occasions.

Not in any way accusing you of anything. When I read this my first thought was to ask you if you have ever taken '___' or Ayahuasca as your experience sounds like something that many who have reported.

Originally posted by Warpthal
The others angels probably knew that if we dug ourselves into a hole, we had the ability to dig our selves out of this hole. Which we do.

Dear Warpthal,

Interesting comment. We have the ability to dig ourselves out of the hole that we dug for ourselves. Do you believe we can stop being so selfish and hurtful and warlike without assistance, because I sort of believe that; but, I think we have to learn enough to do it.

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by Turq1

 

Lucifer

Use of the name "Lucifer" for the devil stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that does not speak of any fallen angel but of the defeat of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer).

I see Lucifer as the Babylonian King.

Well, I never read the Book of Enoch but will look into it.
I already posted links citing my sources on angels. Everyone views angels and biblical history different.

The king of Babylon was the son of Ea Ra or Marduk!

Job uses the word adversary. Also, in the dead sea scrolls, the word for satan is either at times satan, but mainly Belial. In the New testament, Satan.. Obviously

The Jewish religion was so wrapped up in laws that they never have created a central belief system, nor have they answered the questions about the fundamentals of evil. They were too wrapped up with laws. God was a multiple personality God. He was either angry, happy, mad, etc etc. This is where polytheism comes in with Judaism, they believed that God had different personalities, thus different deities.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by newcovenant

 

Dear newcovenant,

Which I hoped I finally summed up in the last sentence....BECAUSE Humans are... Above Angels... and nearer to Gods.

I needed some time to determine what you were saying. You quoted someone else but I wasn't sure if you agreed with what they said or not, my apologies. You believe that BECAUSE we are above angels, we are nearer to God and they felt it necessary to side with us. I do hope I have summarized what I think you believe, if not please give some further clarification. I didn't expect this thread to have so many comments and to tell you the truth, sometimes it is hard to follow all of the different beliefs and aspects at one time.

Well, thanks for YOUR patience. I was quoting MY OWN post...not someone else. It can get hard to follow so many peoples answers. Of course I'll try to explain what I meant.
If you are religious you follow the Bible and know Angels were created before us.

Some are jealous of us and try to sabotage us, at least a small group led by Satan.

But why? Why would any Angels be jealous of us? And why would a full third not like us enough to speak up?
We have something they don't. I think that is a heart and an ability to be like Gods. In His image is LIKE GOD. We are far from perfect but I think perfect is where we are going.

Men are not all good (I know this is an understatement) and we often hear about the worst among us.
But you have to remember men can be so incredibly good.

They can give their lives to save a family or another person and do the right thing or go beyond the right thing and do something down right heroic and showing grace and forgiveness and amazing love.

We hear stories and cry in the movies over men and women who do exactly that.

You are discussing I think the negative among us and there is a lot of it.
I am pointing out men, humans can be great. Enoch, Noah, Christ all impressed even God Himself and they were men of a type, but men.

Angels almost like God soldiers are MADE THAT WAY and have to follow orders.
Angels do not have the free will we seem to. They are enlisted

Men have free will, they can do what they want and even some have never heard of God and yet some of them are great...unprovoked and nobody asked them to be great.

God likes this in a man.
Good all by himself without being asked, trained or taught...good because HE IS GOOD and in the image of God Himself more perfectly than before.

Even we don't know our potential.

This is pretty much it in a nutshell.

I want you on my side when we have to answer for ourselves. Namaste

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If you are answering for yourself why on earth do you need someone at your side ? To hold your hand because you are afraid ? aif yoou are afraid then you clearly have no faith and if you have no faith the you must rely on evidence. As there is no evidence then are answering to yourself and the one holding your hand is sharing or cocreating your delusion.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by bogomil

 

Dear bogomil,

Nope. I have detailed, direct, firsthand and extended experiences in this area myself. Unfortunately with what's called negative entities. They also tried to 'convert' me on a couple of occasions.

Not in any way accusing you of anything. When I read this my first thought was to ask you if you have ever taken '___' or Ayahuasca as your experience sounds like something that many who have reported.

I did some chemical mind-experiments 40 years ago. I believe it had stopped functioning 6 years ago, when I had my first intensive spook-experience.

reply to post by Jordan River


You wrote:

["God was a multiple personality God."]

I can only admire your diplomatic way of putting it. In the brutal directness of contemporary medicine's lingo, he's schizoid. And according to OT he was only sufficently non-psychotic to be aware of this severe mental problem in a few periods of sanity.

It's completely understandable and legitimate, that Lucifer tried to remove him from being boss. A position Jahveh clearly is mentally unfit for.

Originally posted by MamaJ
I too do not accept anything blindly. I look at all the information I have gathered and or observed and I come up with MY OWN theory.

Ok.

Originally posted by MamaJ
Having a friend tell me they have a fairy and talk with them every day is a little out of the norm. If more and more of my friends conveyed the same then it is then I would investigate any validity to the claim.

Do you know people that have guardian angels talk to them every day? I'm not aware of any guardian angel stories, do you know where to find them?

Originally posted by ChristianJihad

I want you on my side when we have to answer for ourselves. Namaste

reply to post by AQuestion

 

If you are answering for yourself why on earth do you need someone at your side ? To hold your hand because you are afraid ? aif yoou are afraid then you clearly have no faith and if you have no faith the you must rely on evidence. As there is no evidence then are answering to yourself and the one holding your hand is sharing or cocreating your delusion.

Certain types of mindsets get an existential feeling of security in 'the safety of numbers'.

Being surrounded by yes-men and knowing that 2/3rds of the angels were authority-abiding sheeple, is enough to nurture the idea that: "We're on the side of truth".

Originally posted by metalholic

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by Turq1

 

Lucifer

Use of the name "Lucifer" for the devil stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that does not speak of any fallen angel but of the defeat of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer).

I see Lucifer as the Babylonian King.

Well, I never read the Book of Enoch but will look into it.
I already posted links citing my sources on angels. Everyone views angels and biblical history different.

The king of Babylon was the son of Ea Ra or Marduk!

Well look at be post that shows the Sumerian Angel ! PG 12

Behold Satan ?

Well The Helm has Horned Like a Bull ! 3 Rows to Each Side !
Bearded Pointed not really but its long and manicured with 6 bands much like the pharaohs of Egypt

Originally posted by Watts

Originally posted by yourmaker
how can we live day to day and still believe in things like angels?

sorry. i have to say it. like it would be if i were eating a cheeseburger with rotten cheese and windshield washer as sauce, you'd be like, dude stop eating that it's not right.

Its amazing how no matter how clearly its stated in the very first post that a thread is geared specifically toward one group of people, someone who supposedly has NO interest in the subject will ALWAYS take the time to click to come in, read, click to reply and troll.

Go away trolly.

Ahh.... a private club.
God loves those.


I don't agree with the sentiments but agree with the posters right to speak regardless of who shoos him away. What are you hiding here? Gods love?

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Jordan River

 

You wrote:

["God was a multiple personality God."]

I can only admire your diplomatic way of putting it. In the brutal directness of contemporary medicine's lingo, he's schizoid. And according to OT he was only sufficently non-psychotic to be aware of this severe mental problem in a few periods of sanity.

It's completely understandable and legitimate, that Lucifer tried to remove him from being boss. A position Jahveh clearly is mentally unfit for.

I have lived in the religion of Judaism. They have no real central belief, nor have they answered the question about evil.
I do not see the reason why Lucifer would become a douche. Honestly, Lucy was a girl who wanted more and became jealous. In retrospect, you should take a look at the BOOK OF JOB in wikipedia, in order to understand God more.

God response: After several rounds of debate between Job and his friends, in a divine voice, described as coming from a "cloud" or "whirlwind", God describes, in evocative and lyrical language, what the experience of being the creator of the world is like, and rhetorically asks if Job has ever had the experiences or the authority that God has had. God's answer underscores that Job shares the world with numerous powerful and remarkable creatures. (Also compare Job 41:18-21 with Job 15:12-13 which was possibly in response to Job 7:11-16).
God's speech also emphasizes his sovereignty in creating and maintaining the world. The thrust is not merely that God has experiences that Job does not, but that God is king over the world and is not necessarily subject to questions from his creatures, including men. The point of these speeches, and ultimately the entire book of Job, is to proclaim the absolute freedom of God over His creation. God is not in need of the approval of his creation. Notably, it is only the reader of the book who learns the backstory of God's conversations with Satan; Job himself remains unaware of the reason or source of his sufferings until the end. Finally, humbled by God's chastising, Job turns speechless, giving up and repenting his previous requests of justice.
In the epilogue, God condemns Job's friends for their ignorance and lack of understanding while commending Job for his righteous words, commands them to prepare burnt offerings and reassures them that Job will pray for their forgiveness. Job is restored to health, gaining double the riches he possessed before and having new children, 7 sons and 3 daughters (his wife did not die in this ordeal). His new daughters (Jemima, Keziah and Keren-Happuch[9]) were the most beautiful in the land, and were given inheritance along with their brothers. Job is blessed once again and lives on another 140 years after the ordeal, living to see his children to the fourth generation and dying peacefully of old age. WIKI

In my opinion, Christianity is the only true monotheism, but that too can be a debate, due to the Trinity belief system.
In any rate, loving true evil and anarchy is no way to live a fulfilling life, the path of destruction is a long one. Indeed, you are entitled to your opinion.

reply to post by Jordan River

I have lived in the religion of Judaism. They have no real central belief, nor have they answered the question about evil.

What do you mean by this? I don't understand we're coming from with this paragraph. Everything come from G-d; as well free-will in man can also enable people to bad things. With Satan tempting people to sin it is not easy to be good.

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by Jordan River

 

I have lived in the religion of Judaism. They have no real central belief, nor have they answered the question about evil.

What do you mean by this? I don't understand we're coming from with this paragraph. Everything come from G-d; as well free-will in man can also enable people to bad things. With Satan tempting people to sin it is not easy to be good.

I go to synagogues and i also practice a mystic-Judo-christian-essenic lifestyle.
They certainly don't like gentiles in their synagogue at least one guy didn't

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So, you're one of those Christians trying to act Jewish. I understand now. Hey, call it how you see it. Judaism is very difficult to define. Any faith is. That is why I like having people studying and teaching people their knowledge. In the future it would be a blessing to become a rabbi at an Orthodox synagogue.