2/3rds of the Angels Stood by us, do you appreciate that?

The others angels probably knew that if we dug ourselves into a hole, we had the ability to dig our selves out of this hole. Which we do.

I believe in angels and I am thankful for the 2/3 rds that stood their ground. But, if there is such thing as guardians angels, which there seems to be substantial proof of. I want mine fired because he has been drinking on the job my entire life.

Originally posted by OrionsRage
But, if there is such thing as guardians angels, which there seems to be substantial proof of.

Really? What would that substantial proof be?

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
reply to post by daskakik

 

Notice God allowed satan to affect everything he had except his life

In that quoted example from Job, Lucifer only inquired about his faith as it pertains to his possessions. Why would God address any other issue except the issue brought before God?
Lucifer basically said to God with contempt, Job wouldn't be faithful if it wasn't for all of his bountiful possessions in that part of the scripture. Lucifer is not doing this to enjoy attacking Job, he is attempting to usurp God himself.

Lucifer gets to ransack Job, and in so doing he believes he will prove Job is not faithful.
Deeper thinking into the story, if Lucifer was correct as he may have thought he was, Lucifer would at that point prove God is an idiot for thinking Job was faithful when it was only his prosperity that he enjoyed, which God could not see.
This is actually an intellectual battle between Lucifer and God, salvos in a War. Of course God won.

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you hit the nail on the head, it all comes down to free will we can choose to go with the 1/3 who rebeled or the 2/3 who stuckwith God. If you could possibly see round the corner you might just change your mind.................. those 1/3 of angels are at this moment locked in chains in a very dark place

reply to post by Ray1850

God doesn't disagree with there being other worlds or aliens, but rebellion is rebellion and if you disobey someone like GOD who in biblical terms is in authority, there are consequences penalties, same as on earth.
Perhaps even aliens have laws?

Really? What would that substantial proof be?

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Do you believe in someone else's experience besides your own? There are so many books and movies and tv shows and videos on the subject....its astounding really.

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hey mate your stuck with yours for life, that was quite funny..........but give him credit that he doesn't desert you and that God's nature is not to give up on you.

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In the Christian Epics (Dante's Inferno, The Divine Comedy) God does know and predict everything. I don't personally believe in this type of being, but in the literature, as Lucifer and his followers (Belzebub included) fall into hell, God turns to Jesus and asks him to sacrifice his life for humanity. He knew of Lucifer's pride and of man falling into sin just as he set the universe into motion.

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God said I am the beginning and the end
The Alpha and the Omega
Who was and who is and who is to come, The Almighty............He is all seeing and can see the future and the past while being in the present....

I am not religous...

Can you not however argue from the other side of the fence?? and say 2/3 were scared of gods actions and thus didnt stand up against there ruler?

Originally posted by HardyWhite

Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
HardyWhite: The question of "why he would take his 'chosen people' with him and leave the rest to waste" is consistently addressed in the Bible, with point blank intent.

Originally posted by HardyWhite
reply to post by AQuestion

 

Maybe he does get there... and thats when Christ returns.. that would explain why he would take his 'chosen people' with him and leave the rest to waste, right?

P.S. I'm not really trolling. I'm very interested in this conversation.

Reread my post.

It is a rhetorical question.

Got that.Even rhetorical questions ought to be answered, for the sake of having Captain Obvious tell others who cannot make the same leap as you.

But no one asked for it?

Sooner or later someone would because people are dynamic.

Dont Forget the Sumerian Angels The So Called Anunakki that also has a little resemblance of Norse Myths
like Odin with the Helmet & Beard then the Helmet does look like Horns in a way Like the Demoniac Fallen Archangel Lucifer has Been Claimed to have Horns or a Horned Helmet like Norse Gods ! ?

A Mess Load of Sumerian Artifacts of Angels Beings

that's in carved stones and Cylinder seals to WRITTEN LANGUAGE of the tales they tell
as most go's along with Middle eastern and Mediterranean mythology and the Abraham Bibles

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For Example ! Ask yourself
how is it that the Worlds Mythical Gods of War are so Similar in so many ways

God Of War The List

List of war deities
en.wikipedia.org...

and that just about the God Of War!

just as Angels has a Virtue and Attribute !
the Archangel Micheal The Angel of War !

Michael (archangel)
en.wikipedia.org...








This photo was taken on July 9, 2010 in Lyon, Rhone-Alpes, FR
Four winged Angel

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Originally posted by Wolfenz

Dont Forget the Sumerian Angels The So Called Anunakki that also has a little resemblance of Norse Myths
like Odin with the Helmet & Beard then the Helmet does look like Horns in a way Like the Demoniac Fallen Archangel Lucifer has Been Claimed to have Horns or a Horned Helmet like Norse Gods ! ?

A Mess Load of Sumerian Artifacts of Angles Beings

that's in carved stones and Cylinder seals to WRITTEN LANGUAGE of the tales they tell
as most go's along with Middle eastern and Mediterranean mythology and the Abraham Bibles

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/53054cda2732.jpg[/atsimg]


For Example ! Ask yourself
how is it that the Wolds Mythical Gods of War are so Similar in so many ways

God Of War The List

List of war deities
en.wikipedia.org...

and that just about the God Of War!

just as Angels has a Virtue and Attribute !
the Archangel Micheal The Angel of War !

Michael (archangel)
en.wikipedia.org...

You sir have dumped secret knowledge that is obvious with your current photo. This is indeed true. No such thing as coincidence, hope to hear from you

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by Jordan River
I appreciate the choices in life. I can be with God, or be in the middle, or not be with Him at all. Angels are real, get with it and appreciate it. and no they are not greys or other ET aliens in our universe. Get out of here. i've seen proof

You probably mean something else with 'proof' than the official definition.

Just because I saw something and you didn't does not mean it is false. It is false to you and no amount of talk will change me from what I have seen. I didn't see it for a flicker of a second, it was for about 30 seconds or so. Let the supernatural deal with you

Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by Jordan River
I appreciate the choices in life. I can be with God, or be in the middle, or not be with Him at all. Angels are real, get with it and appreciate it. and no they are not greys or other ET aliens in our universe. Get out of here. i've seen proof

You probably mean something else with 'proof' than the official definition.

Just because I saw something and you didn't does not mean it is false. It is false to you and no amount of talk will change me from what I have seen. I didn't see it for a flicker of a second, it was for about 30 seconds or so. Let the supernatural deal with you

I have absolutely no intentions of messing with your faith. Why should I? Faith is a private, subjective choice.

You probably confuse my motives with those of missionary christians.

What I want is to add a factual dimension to this debate. People from all cultures, all religions and even those without religion experince paranormal phenomena. To take some kind of patent, trying to make an interpretation on insufficient information, twisting this interpretation so it fits a certain belief-system is either ignorance or monopoly-seeking.

And as you may have read in a former post here, I have some 150 hours of such experiences (and that's just the paranormal part of it), so I do have a rather extensive background to talk from. Your and other religionists' quickness to categorize things and even with a completely insufficient methodology pigeonhole them to 'prove' your mythology is just an expression of your desperate need of answers, before you have analysed the information properly.

I'm not the one presenting premature conclusions, I only caution serious consideration and examination before jumping in with closed eyes.

Originally posted by bogomil

Not like I am trying to push religion, I don't. I'm spiritual, which means I don't stick with any church/synagogue. Nor do I need to go to a place to worship my God. I just find it frustrating when people are open minded enough to accept that other dimensions exist, for example. but they deny any accounts of heaven ever existing. Our private universe is huge, but I am more interested what is outside of that!

Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by bogomil

Not like I am trying to push religion, I don't. I'm spiritual, which means I don't stick with any church/synagogue. Nor do I need to go to a place to worship my God. I just find it frustrating when people are open minded enough to accept that other dimensions exist, for example. but they deny any accounts of heaven ever existing. Our private universe is huge, but I am more interested what is outside of that!

Fair enough. But the approaches to either of these two options (cosmic/trans-cosmic) are vastly different, and one can't just jump from one to the other in observations, methodology or conclusions.

I have a metaphysical position myself, where 'physical' for me actually means like in scientific physics. I can see no reason to turn myself into a moron and discard all rational tools, as long as they are useful in the given contexts.

Originally posted by bogomil

I have a metaphysical position myself, where 'physical' for me actually means like in scientific physics. I can see no reason to turn myself into a moron and discard all rational tools, as long as they are useful in the given contexts.

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Those concepts are vastly different because people are afraid to think about these things at the same time. It creates fear and panic. No one combines their own knowledge (science), metaphysics, rationality, experience and the critical component which is (SELF). This is spirituality and yes, Heaven could be indeed in a different dimension. It is the only rational theory for my (SELF)

Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by bogomil

I have a metaphysical position myself, where 'physical' for me actually means like in scientific physics. I can see no reason to turn myself into a moron and discard all rational tools, as long as they are useful in the given contexts.

edit on 11-8-2011 by bogomil because: addition and syntax

Those concepts are vastly different because people are afraid to think about these things at the same time. It creates fear and panic. No one combines their own knowledge (science), metaphysics, rationality, experience and the critical component which is (SELF). This is spirituality and yes, Heaven could be indeed in a different dimension. It is the only rational theory for my (SELF)

This small pernickety comment does have some relevance to the thread: Technically speaking a 'dimension' (as it normally is defined) is a part of cosmos, not of trans-cosmos. A transcendent 'god'/'heaven' is not dimensional. Maybe you already are aware of this, but other readers may not be.