2/3rds of the Angels Stood by us, do you appreciate that?

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by Jordan River

 

So, you're one of those Christians trying to act Jewish. I understand now. Hey, call it how you see it. Judaism is very difficult to define. Any faith is. That is why I like having people studying and teaching people their knowledge. In the future it would be a blessing to become a rabbi at an Orthodox synagogue.

You have to understand Judaism to understand christianity .

Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by Jordan River

 

So, you're one of those Christians trying to act Jewish. I understand now. Hey, call it how you see it. Judaism is very difficult to define. Any faith is. That is why I like having people studying and teaching people their knowledge. In the future it would be a blessing to become a rabbi at an Orthodox synagogue.

You have to understand Judaism to understand christianity .

I guess you can say you have to understand Christianity to understand Islam. Both faiths do not add up in my opinion. There are many substantial and vital distinctions between Judaism and Christianity. Of course, there are many similarities as well, primarily because Christianity emerged from Judaism. However, the emergence was not a direct line. Christianity broke from Judaism, forming a new religion, so it is misleading.

reply to post by newcovenant


Dear newcovenant.

Actually, you have summed up the answer I was looking for mostly.

They can give their lives to save a family or another person and do the right thing or go beyond the right thing and do something down right heroic and showing grace and forgiveness and amazing love.

Because there is good in us. No matter what happens to us, we still have good in us.

reply to post by ChristianJihad


Dear ChristianJihad,

I don't require anyone to speak for me; but, it is nice to know that we can speak for ourselves.

reply to post by Jordan River


You wrote:

["In retrospect, you should take a look at the BOOK OF JOB in wikipedia, in order to understand God more."]

I do own a bible. And I recently read Job's book. I concluded it to say: "You [mankind] is here to do with as I ['god']pleases"

Quote: ["In my opinion, Christianity is the only true monotheism, but that too can be a debate, due to the Trinity belief system."]

Certainly. Especially as the christian trinity is a hijacked and deformed version of earlier models.

Quote: ["In any rate, loving true evil and anarchy is no way to live a fulfilling life, the path of destruction is a long one."]

Only a christian, authoritarian mindset would think in terms of putting up nihilistic anarchy as the only alternative option. It's an orchestrated black/white scenario. "Me good, 'they' bad".

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by Jordan River

 

I have lived in the religion of Judaism. They have no real central belief, nor have they answered the question about evil.

What do you mean by this? I don't understand we're coming from with this paragraph. Everything come from G-d; as well free-will in man can also enable people to bad things. With Satan tempting people to sin it is not easy to be good.

"Everything coming from god" is only valid for those following this specific mythological manual. For the rest it's just a meaningless postulate.

Originally posted by bogomil


Only a christian, authoritarian mindset would think in terms of putting up nihilistic anarchy as the only alternative option. It's an orchestrated black/white scenario. "Me good, 'they' bad".

edit on 12-8-2011 by bogomil because: typo, syntax

See, right there you are judging and stereotyping. What you look as black/white, I look as trying to bring justice and righteousness back into the world. Life, is obviously gray. Your opinion is very negative and perhaps you need to come to terms with yourself first.

reply to post by AQuestion

We have the ability to do anything we desire. All it takes is one harmless desire saying, I want to help out. If you put your mind to it, there you go. Universal but greatly underestimated knowledge.

reply to post by Jordan River


And who and what were you referring to, and in what context, by this quote:

Quote: ["In any rate, loving true evil and anarchy is no way to live a fulfilling life, the path of destruction is a long one."]

The basic conflict is between the self-proclaimed invasive authority of the alleged 'god' Jahveh and Lucifer (et al), who is a freedom-fighter. On this thread, and in this context, the quote from you certainly does indicate a rigid positioning of yourself FOR authority and AGAINST liberal principles, which you paint black. Using the self-reinforcing moral values of your own premises.

On another thread it could have had another meaning.

Quote: ["Your opinion is very negative and perhaps you need to come to terms with yourself first."]

Should I ever need existential or psychological counseling, I will ask for it. But thanks for your concern.

Originally posted by Warpthal
reply to post by AQuestion

 

We have the ability to do anything we desire. All it takes is one harmless desire saying, I want to help out. If you put your mind to it, there you go. Universal but greatly underestimated knowledge.

And well stated.

reply to post by Jordan River

You have to understand Judaism to understand christianity .

Only to understand the parts of the NT that were relevant to Jews.
To anyone else, those parts are just ones we need to learn to ignore.
Some people apparently never got the memo.

Originally posted by Jordan River
Job uses the word adversary. Also, in the dead sea scrolls, the word for satan is either at times satan, but mainly Belial. In the New testament, Satan.. Obviously

The Jewish religion was so wrapped up in laws that they never have created a central belief system, nor have they answered the questions about the fundamentals of evil. They were too wrapped up with laws. God was a multiple personality God. He was either angry, happy, mad, etc etc. This is where polytheism comes in with Judaism, they believed that God had different personalities, thus different deities.

They did not have to fully develop all the Satan characteristics since they had all those attributes in various descriptions of persons being called god in the OT.

reply to post by Jordan River

In my opinion, Christianity is the only true monotheism, but that too can be a debate, due to the Trinity belief system.

People need to be sure in their own minds. That is what Pail was saying about celebrating festivals for gods, to the Romans.
It is an individual thing and just joining a group and ignoring your own understanding is not good.
There is a bit of mind that needs to be exercised for discernment and what you thought yesterday may not be useful tomorrow.

reply to post by Wolfenz


satan doesn't exist. deceptions and lies to force one to join their belief system does however! is that satan aswell?

and i'm saying that as idk what ur story is nor care. i just want to know where you stand with hypocrisy?

Originally posted by AQuestion

Originally posted by trollz
reply to post by AQuestion

 

If 2/3rds of the angels did not rebel, it doesn't mean they care about us or trust us.
It may simply mean that they appreciate their positions and don't want to be destroyed.
There is punishment for leaving the will of God; most beings don't want to be punished.
Also, you're making some selfish (as a human) assumptions. The rebellion had nothing to do with human beings.

Dear trollz,

Yes I am making an assumption as are you. I explained why I made my assumption and there was nothing selfish about it. If you believe the bible (and no requirement that you do) or at least accept it as the basis of a hypothetical then as someone said earlier, those demons sure do take a keen interest in us, why?

Why do you think they all take an interest in us? Maybe only a tiny percentage do. From what I gather, God had created us to be kindof like a "pet project". Beings without free will, and "dumb" so to say. Dumb as in we did not know what good or evil was, we didn't understand higher things. We were animals, essentially. As by the story, Satan is the one who led us to wisdom and understanding. Sure, maybe demons under Satan DO take an interest in us. But why? How do we know they aren't trying to liberate us from what 1/3rds of them rebelled against?
And remember, unless I'm wrong, demons "used to be" angels too.

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

satan doesn't exist. deceptions and lies to force one to join their belief system does however! is that satan aswell?

and i'm saying that as idk what ur story is nor care. i just want to know where you stand with hypocrisy?

Lucifer has many Names around Religion & Mythology its the Choosing,, He Only exist to some in how much of a degree in People Beliefs

I Tend to Look towards the Sumerian /Assyrian Religion when it comes to Humanoid winged beings as they depicted the same line Story in Egyptian Christian, Hebrew, & Zoroastrianism Text

There is a Pattern

The Wings I see it as a Metaphor

much as the Eagle has Landed on the Moon !

or the Visual as the Eagle has landed on the Moon




to actually this

reply to post by trollz


Dear trollz,

Why do you think they all take an interest in us? Maybe only a tiny percentage do. From what I gather, God had created us to be kindof like a "pet project". Beings without free will, and "dumb" so to say. Dumb as in we did not know what good or evil was, we didn't understand higher things. We were animals, essentially. As by the story, Satan is the one who led us to wisdom and understanding. Sure, maybe demons under Satan DO take an interest in us. But why? How do we know they aren't trying to liberate us from what 1/3rds of them rebelled against? And remember, unless I'm wrong, demons "used to be" angels too.

Let us consider what it says, it says that Satan accuses us day and night before the Lord, that is from Job. Doesn't sound like a pet project. It also says that we do have free will, I do, don't you? I mean you do choose what you do, we may justify things by saying we didn't have a choice; but, it is a lie and we know it. People only say they didn't have a choice after they get caught. As for being born not knowing good and evil, is that dumb or just nature?

As for Satan leading us to knowledge, he didn't. God had said that if man ate from the tree of knowledge that he would die and Satan may have believed that. No reason to believe that he didn't. Eating from the tree ended innocence; but, it did not create guilt, that requires action on our part. As for demons, I cannot find one instance where they have helped anyone. Why assume they are our friends when the only thing we know about them is that they cause people harm?

reply to post by AQuestion

It also says that we do have free will, I do, don't you?

What is "it"?
Not the Bible. It never says that.
I suppose you could get an inference from things that there are choices that lie before people.
Joshua says, Choose you this day, who you will serve. Then goes on to say you can't even if you want to because God is Holy and we are not.
People can choose to be evil, that's always available.
I believe we can choose the better, the good, but we are not naturally free to successfully pursue that goal.
God is powerful and can do anything, so we can choose obedience and we will be given assistance towards being that way where we loose desire and enjoyment from things we previously enjoyed. We enjoy different things than we did before, so we are not constantly choosing because we don't see as many choices that would even be considered as an option.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Dear jmdewey60,

I would agree that the term in not used. Instead we are given other terms such as rebel, we are told of decisions being made and people believing or not believing. I know when I make choices, I may not get the result I want; but, I do understand my intent. If we are tempted by anything, we do make a choice. How would you describe our decision making process or our learning process?

reply to post by AQuestion


A bowl of mush, how about yours?
That's rhetorical so I am not really asking.
Learning is work to where it makes your head hurt.
Decisions is what you hope pops up as a result of your earlier learning.