Londons BURNING!

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The police and government, and no doubt other so-called respectable businessmen (and women) are heavily involved in the crimes too. These gang leaders are working for them. The police keep crime enabled so they have a reason to claim more power and even exist in the way that they do. So many of the crimes that exist would cease to exist on the scale they currently do, if they legalised and controlled drugs. I would not be surprised if it ultimately transpires that these riots were instigated deliberately in order for the police to get out of the spending cuts coming their way.

Why do you think the police concentrate heavily on petty crimes, and the biggest crime lords of all are left unchecked, until they screw up somehow? With all their resources and power, the police could easily shut down many of the criminal operations. Yet they dont. Instead, the police, the gang leaders, and others who have an interest, keep the young people in a state of distrust of anyone else, manipulate them and brainwash them, even use fear, so they stick with their lifestyle. Its like religion.

Regardless, lets hope that something positive comes out of this mess. But this is Britain we are talking about so I wont hold my breath.

Originally posted by Noviz
reply to post by Firefly_

 

It would have been better if it started as a politically motivated riot in the first place. But I suppose some revolutionists will try and hijack the riots and claim that it's all because of blah blah blah.

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Lol I love this post. It really would be nice for an NWO filter. The problem is people generally jump to conclusions and blame the NWO (or whatever you want to call it) without any evidence or it making any sense at all.

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And some people swallow the contiual propaganda and lies spewed by the MSM and the likes of The Sun....without any evidence and without it making any real sense. We now live in a time where we are paying a great price for continued naivety, particularly the wilfull kind.

I'm not an alarmist - but if this continues for a few more days, I predict a strange of strategy by the security forces. The UK government / police will not want to lose face here.

Does anyone else believe they may bring out armed guards?

Originally posted by Noviz

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
What I'm trying to say is that even if currencies fall, it doesn't mean no one will ever again have any way of trade or entitlement to what they are used to.... and even if it DID get THAT bad where everything just STOPPED, there's actually food all over the place. some of it might not be to your tastes though, but there is a wealth of nutrition all over the place. Take grass for example. I'm learning to do sprouting of seeds right now. You can do that inside, don't even need a yard. You'll have some of the worlds most nutritious food in 3-5 days. The chinese are famous for their sprouts. maybe you should ask all those Chinese people who have lived on the brink of starvation off of next to nothing how to survive if YOU think YOU can not. Don't be so sure about everyone else.

There's a perfect system all around you, but some just insist on maintaining an inferior illusion. What has been built was built for a reason and it was built to completely collapse.

Oh no I am sure you can grow a good amount of food in the home... and yes there is a vast amount of food around.
But if millions of people all need food it'll go VERY quicky. Lets say you can live on one meal a day. 10 million people who need that. 10 million meals a day, 70 million meals a week. As you can see that is a lot of food and there will be a lot more than 10 million people looking for food. Just because it looks like we have a lot of food it doesn't mean it lasts long when everyone gets hungry.

Why would people all of the sudden start eating more than they already do?

why would the ground be any less capable of growing food than it is now?

The dirt doesn't give a DAMN what the dollar does. I hate to tell you this but you came from dirt, not money.

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Looks preety huge on the suns front page....

I picked this up from reading it:

But tests on a bullet lodged in the radio are said to show it was police issue, not from the handgun Duggan was carrying.

Some pretty big TV's been taken.... Curry's has been stripped bare!!!!

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I'm not an alarmist - but if this continues for a few more days, I predict a strange of strategy by the security forces. The UK government / police will not want to lose face here.

Does anyone else believe they may bring out armed guards?

The economy is about to shatter - the timing is perfect...the riots would provide the rationale.

Thy definitely kept this news away from people. They know that if everyone knew then the rioting would spread because quite frankly everyone has had enough of this BS system, and the Government know that the British people are more than ready and willing to fight as one against the government.

Even those that have reported it online have twisted the story round, and left all comments turned off so people cant say what is really going on.

The police should have learnt from the Brixton riots, but once again they continue to behave in such a way that will ulimnately incite retaliation.

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From ThisIsLondon: www.thisislondon.co.uk...

The summit came as other key developments today included: Mr Duggan is believed to have been armed with a replica firearm - it is not known if the gun which was hidden in a sock was capable of firing.

Mr Duggan, a suspected member of a Tottenham gang, was killed by police specialist firearms officers during an operation last Thursday.

The fact he was carrying a replica gun will raise fresh doubts over reports that he was shot in an exchange of fire.

Preliminary ballistic tests on the bullet found lodged in a police officer's radio are believed to show that the ammunition was police issue.

Initial reports from the Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is investigating the shooting, suggested that Mr Duggan fired first and there was an exchange of shots. The Met has consistently refused to comment on the issue.

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Or maybe that's what thjey want us to do?

Maybe all these few years of struggles, debates, riots, protests have slowly been forced upon us. So we WOULD react when the economy collapses.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I'm not an alarmist - but if this continues for a few more days, I predict a strange of strategy by the security forces. The UK government / police will not want to lose face here.

Does anyone else believe they may bring out armed guards?

of course they will, how else will it be contained.

Good chance to test marshall law tactics and policy

I don't think this will get as bad as the Paris riots of '05 were.

I hope not.

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It will be completely unjustified if they do, and purely to spread more fear and discontent around the country. So far, from the reports I have read, there has only been one death, and that was what triggered this whole mess in the first place. Nobody has died as a result of these riots, its only been damage to buildings and property. So a few cops have been injured, occupational hazard. They know what to expect if they do a dirty job. This does not mean I condone violence, but it needs to be put into perspective. This is nothing compared to what our government does on a daily basis in other nations.

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The police certainly need to get some control, and some authority over the situation.

The past two nights seem to have been a free-for-all. Why would the thugs stop if it's so easy?

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
MPs rob taxpayer via expenses system - Terrible error, they're awfully sorry and they'll hide it better next time.

Banksters rob the taxpayer out of millions - It was needed to help clean up their errors, tax payer has to put up and shut up.

Some youths, knee deep in poverty due to lack of opportunity to work for a livable wage, given a basic education while growing up on rough estates, riddled with drugs and common crime, loot a few stores, burn a few buildings and make the police look like twats - CRIMINALS! YOU WILL BE CAUGHT! YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS! WE ARE GOING TO HUNT YOU DOWN YOU SCUM OF SOCIETY!!

Enough said.

I get your point, but this is not a political point the scum out there on the streets of London are making, and MP's have been locked up for corruption.
Those looters couldn't care less about politics, or the bankers.

And I grew up in North London, we lived in a small flat in Enfield. I moved, I got a decent job, I now run my own business.
These people are lazy. There is PLENTY of opportunity out there, but when you're raised by parents who have less than average IQ levels, spend more time getting drunk than reading you bedtime stories and have no thought for the welfare of their kids, THIS is what happens.

How come an immigrant can come here and get a job within a week, yet plenty of our own citizens cant? It obviously not because the work magically isn't there when they're looking for it, it's because they DON'T EVEN LOOK.

I'm fed up of this lame excuse that people are victims of this society, it's simply not true. They're poor because they leave themselves in that situation to be cared for by the state. They make bad choices because they "want" rather than need.
I've said before that they're poor, but they somehow still manage to have all that gold jewelry, expensive footwear and chav clothing.

It's a BS excuse and I'm fed up with hearing it.

No you are correct - There is no political motivation for these riots, they are uncalled for and that death is being used as an excuse to loot and cause chaos.
However, my post is more taking the piss out of how the media presents the argument, MPs and Banksters get slaps on the wrists for stealing from the system whereas a few hunderd angry youths are looking at jail sentences. Greed is killing humanity.

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

The police certainly need to get some control, and some authority over the situation.

The past two nights seem to have been a free-for-all. Why would the thugs stop if it's so easy?

Well, if they let it linger any longer doesn't it seem they almost want this to be happening?

Makes me wonder.

Does anyone know what really happened with the shooting? Aparently one of the coppers took a bullet in his radio, that is pretty hard to fake, some people say it was from a police weapon but they arn stupid enough to shoot each other imo, unless this was done after the event but witnesses must have seen this?

Originally posted by ChaosMagician

Originally posted by Noviz

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
What I'm trying to say is that even if currencies fall, it doesn't mean no one will ever again have any way of trade or entitlement to what they are used to.... and even if it DID get THAT bad where everything just STOPPED, there's actually food all over the place. some of it might not be to your tastes though, but there is a wealth of nutrition all over the place. Take grass for example. I'm learning to do sprouting of seeds right now. You can do that inside, don't even need a yard. You'll have some of the worlds most nutritious food in 3-5 days. The chinese are famous for their sprouts. maybe you should ask all those Chinese people who have lived on the brink of starvation off of next to nothing how to survive if YOU think YOU can not. Don't be so sure about everyone else.

There's a perfect system all around you, but some just insist on maintaining an inferior illusion. What has been built was built for a reason and it was built to completely collapse.

Oh no I am sure you can grow a good amount of food in the home... and yes there is a vast amount of food around.
But if millions of people all need food it'll go VERY quicky. Lets say you can live on one meal a day. 10 million people who need that. 10 million meals a day, 70 million meals a week. As you can see that is a lot of food and there will be a lot more than 10 million people looking for food. Just because it looks like we have a lot of food it doesn't mean it lasts long when everyone gets hungry.

Why would people all of the sudden start eating more than they already do?

why would the ground be any less capable of growing food than it is now?

The dirt doesn't give a DAMN what the dollar does. I hate to tell you this but you came from dirt, not money.

What on earth are you talking about? I never said people will suddenly start eating more than they do now. I was trying to show that if people eat one meal a day then that is a heck lot of food to be shared around. I was basically saying if there was social collapse food would not be produced for a while and it will therefore run out very quickly. The mass majority don't know how to do sprouting and will have no chance when all obvious sources of food run out.
I think you kinda misunderstood what I was trying to say.

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With the release of information posted above about the police issue bullet in the cops radio and Mr Duggans replica firearm - which was found HIDDEN in his sock - I think it will only get worse. Even the 'peaceful' protestors will lose faith in an already mistrusted Met police force now, and why should they allow these liars and murderers to patrol their streets any longer? The police in recent weeks have proven they will do just about anything illegal to make their own lives easier - lie to get family members in the force(north yorkshire chief), sell confidential information to journalists(met chief), commit major fraud (cleveland chief)... and kill, covering the crime again with terrible lies. And it isn't the first time, and these are mainly actions of those at the top of the command structure.

To any police officer planning on going out to protect the lies tonight, you deserve whatever these 'thugs' do to you. If you've an ounce of remorse for blindly following the actions of your provably corrupt leadership then make a moral judgement and stay home.

Do I condone the violence? No, I don't - but I understand why it has become almost necessary. The policing system, along with the economic and political system needs a complete reset and this is how it begins.

Originally posted by Fatmandy
Map showing riot / looting areas:
thewestlondoner.files.wordpress.com...

Twitter feed:
twitter.com...#!/search/brixton

Live blog:
thewestlondoner.wordpress.com...-73

Total media blackout on this, it has been going for a few hours now.

Mcdonalds - looted
M&S - burnt
Footlocker - looted then burnt
Currys - looted
halfords - looted
many more

Suspected bomb threat at a tube station, CS gas, crowd throwing petrol bombs and projectiles

yfrog.com...

Why is this happening, no-one seems to know

madness!

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Why is this happening?

Easy.

Its the same folks behind this that gave us the Arab Spring.

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Anyone would think you've never seen a harvest moon before...

As for the media cover up - I was on my way back from picking up a harmonium on the A1 when this trouble was reported on the radio. Since then the British news media has been quite hot on it apart from the local ones.

Regardless of how this started, everyone involved has their own agenda going on. Sure the young today are on their arses with no future in sight, but not everyone makes a beeline for the designer shoe shop. Take a good look people at the future - Kids that will happily # anyone over for the love of top brand names.