Atheism is just plain stupid.

reply to post by bwinwright


Religion is just plain stupid.

That’s my biggest problem with religion. It’s just so stupid. I have always believed religion to be suffering from a rather serious form of mental illness because they expect others to accept the idea that something can come from nothing. That’s just plain stupid, isn’t it?

The something I am referring to is classified as "all". The religious believers believe that the universe and everything within it was the product of some mindfull, intelligent event, and that intelligence had absolutely everything to do with all of it? Now, please, that’s just plain stupid, isn’t it?

Can you name any form of chaos, just one example of randomness that requires some form of intelligence to produce or create it? Let me stop you now. I don’t want you wasting too much time thinking about it. There is no such thing. Everything involves random direction. This law, alone, proves religion to be a false idea.

The religious believer must believe that orderliness requires intelligent direction. Now, I don’t care who you are, that’s just plain stupid! That’s the main reason my face turns red every time I hear some mentally ill or stupid person admit to being an religious believer. This one error makes religion a false idea.

Now, when I click my finger you will return to reality, be wide awake, fresh and alert, and know for sure that religion is just plain stupid. “Click”.

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Thanks for making me glad to be an atheist and not like the obsessed religious believers who base their whole lives on illogical fiction.

Thanks also for posting one of the stupidest threads I've seen on these boards in a long time. Flagged.

ha, ha, unflagged.

reply to post by Doublemint

if you dont know then he does exist. Its really not that hard to understand if you don't know something then all possibilities are true untill proven false.

No, they’re not.

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Originally posted by Doublemint
I think atheist are at least misguided maybe not stupid. Mainly because how atheism was described to me from other atheist, they said, that atheist do not believe in god but don't claim that he doesn't exist.

So, what they are doing is saying that they don't believe in god (which is fine) but then they try and hide behind an agnostic point of view which they seem to not understand. If you can't claim that god does not exist then you can only assume that god does and doesn't exist at the same time.

this is how it appears to me

atheist do not believe in god
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and god does not exist and god does exist



and that is why atheist seem misguided to me.

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This is a very old argument. It was first debated around the number zero. Does it exist? Of course not.

Let's say god created existance. Let's say, he "blew" breath of life into existance. I would liken that to a balloon. God took a rubber balloon and blew it up. This is his creation. This is existance. The whole shibang, the universe and all the fish.

Now does God exist within his creation? No. He is not his own creation. He does not exist within existance. That would be base and mundane. God said "It is done," and that is that.

That is how one can say both, there is a god and there is no god. See?

Originally posted by Doublemint
reply to post by Mike_A

 

if you dont know then he does exist. Its really not that hard to understand if you don't know something then all possibilities are true untill proven false.

"All possibilities" also include him NOT existing.... so.....

if you don't know, then he might exist.

Originally posted by CriticalCK
atheism positively correlates with education.

education is just plain stupid, right?

An extreemly important, yet understated point.

In an effort to understand our existance, we seek to unravel the mysteries that are life. It's a puzzle that we are compelled to solve.

If we just give up on our quest for understanding, just saying, oh well, GOD did it, and thats all we need to know, we are failing in our own purpose. If your expensive diamond watch is broken, do you say, oh well, the watch maker is perfect. Or, do you take it apart, looking for a loose screw or broken spring, and repair it. Oh, that used to be blasphamy. Punishable by death.

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but why do atheist not believe in god while he exist? that makes no since to me, if you don't know then why believe? It makes since when you look at from the other point of veiw that atheist do not believe in god and god does not exist, but they claim to not know if god exist so god does and doesn't exist both situations exist at the same time. Why do they want to be called atheist when they are agnostic? Why are they afraid to say god doesn't exist?

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No, I don't see. What I did see was that god exist just not with us.

Originally posted by Doublemint
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but why do atheist not believe in god while he exist? that makes no since to me, if you don't know then why believe? It makes since when you look at from the other point of veiw that atheist do not believe in god and god does not exist, but they claim to not know if god exist so god does and doesn't exist both situations exist at the same time. Why do they want to be called atheist when they are agnostic? Why are they afraid to say god doesn't exist?

If you meet someone who says they are an atheist and they won't say that god does not exist, you can go ahead and tell them they are not an atheist. The definition of atheism is "the doctrine or belief that there is no god."(dictionary.reference.com...).

These people you are talking about are agnostic, not atheist. No matter what they want to tell you they are.

It's useless to respond to any more questions after reading some attempts to try and piss me off cause obviously you guys have the answers to life already.

Die believeing in nothing. Good riddance. Thats all..

but they claim to not know if god exist so god does and doesn't exist both situations exist at the same time.

That makes no sense, you don’t know if I have a four foot wide afro but that doesn’t mean I have both and afro and a skinhead.

Why do they want to be called atheist when they are agnostic?

Because atheism means the lack of belief in a god or gods. If one is of the belief that they cannot determine whether such a god exists then they cannot be said to believe in one and therefore can be said to lack a belief in a god or gods.

Why are they afraid to say god doesn't exist?

Some do.

However for others, such as myself, the issue is unfalsifiable and therefore cannot be known. The statement “god does not exist” is as unsupportable as the statement “god exists”.

The only logical position is to say “I don’t know”.


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You only quoted one definition.

–noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

The second is absolutely compatible with the belief that one cannot know whether there is a god or not.

Originally posted by Doublemint
reply to post by windword

 

No, I don't see. What I did see was that god exist just not with us.

God created exisitance, he doesn't exist within existance, therefore he doesn't exist. I didn't make this argument up. This was discussed by likes of Plato. It is not new. Existance is too mundane for god. If you can't fathum non-existance, how do you expect us to fathum god's existance?

reply to post by GMan420


Yes, i agree with you. I'm just amazed by what some atheist say and I will probally always being looking for the atheist that can explain that situation to me and have it make since to me.


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Originally posted by Mike_A
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You only quoted one definition.

–noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

The second is absolutely compatible with the belief that one cannot know whether there is a god or not.

I disagree completely. "Disbelief"" is not equal to "Uncertainty".

Unless you are arguing that god is not "a supreme being or beings"?

Originally posted by Mike_A

but they claim to not know if god exist so god does and doesn't exist both situations exist at the same time.

That makes no sense, you don’t know if I have a four foot wide afro but that doesn’t mean I have both and afro and a skinhead.

Why do they want to be called atheist when they are agnostic?

Because atheism means the lack of belief in a god or gods. If one is of the belief that they cannot determine whether such a god exists then they cannot be said to believe in one and therefore can be said to lack a belief in a god or gods.

Why are they afraid to say god doesn't exist?

Some do.

However for others, such as myself, the issue is unfalsifiable and therefore cannot be known. The statement “god does not exist” is as unsupportable as the statement “god exists”.

The only logical position is to say “I don’t know”.

I don't know if you have an afro or skin head and since I can't confirm either, then yes you have both.

So, why do you believe in a god that does exist?

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by Doublemint
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No, I don't see. What I did see was that god exist just not with us.

God created exisitance, he doesn't exist within existance, therefore he doesn't exist. I didn't make this argument up. This was discussed by likes of Plato. It is not new. Existance is too mundane for god. If you can't fathum non-existance, how do you expect us to fathum god's existance?

first off I don't care who made it up, but someone did so does that make it wrong or right?

To me it doesn't sound like you are describing or saying that god exist or not. It sounds like you are describing the nature of god to me. IF he does not exist then he didn't create and we don't exist.

Originally posted by Doublemint

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by Doublemint
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No, I don't see. What I did see was that god exist just not with us.

God created exisitance, he doesn't exist within existance, therefore he doesn't exist. I didn't make this argument up. This was discussed by likes of Plato. It is not new. Existance is too mundane for god. If you can't fathum non-existance, how do you expect us to fathum god's existance?

first off I don't care who made it up, but someone did so does that make it wrong or right?

To me it doesn't sound like you are describing or saying that god exist or not. It sounds like you are describing the nature of god to me. IF he does not exist then he didn't create and we don't exist.

These are abstract ideas. Your arguments don't hold water. They don't stand up to logical reasoning. You have to think "outside the balloon."

Does zero exist? Who were you before you existed?

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Yep. This one fell in the RANT category, right where it should be. I don't have a beef with your views, just where on this board they are posted. Seems appropriate though as your last statement was surely in jest; that is, not a very christian thing to say, if you are indeed a christian.

CJ

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by Doublemint

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by Doublemint
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No, I don't see. What I did see was that god exist just not with us.

God created exisitance, he doesn't exist within existance, therefore he doesn't exist. I didn't make this argument up. This was discussed by likes of Plato. It is not new. Existance is too mundane for god. If you can't fathum non-existance, how do you expect us to fathum god's existance?

first off I don't care who made it up, but someone did so does that make it wrong or right?

To me it doesn't sound like you are describing or saying that god exist or not. It sounds like you are describing the nature of god to me. IF he does not exist then he didn't create and we don't exist.

These are abstract ideas. Your arguments don't hold water. They don't stand up to logical reasoning. You have to think "outside the balloon."

Does zero exist? Who were you before you existed?

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And your ideas aren't abstract and do hold water? I thought that was what we were doing thinking outside the balloon.

yes, zero does exist i think the better question is does nothing exist.

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yes, zero does exist i think the better question is does nothing exist.
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That is a good question. This is the heart of the debate. Does nothing exist?

I'm not here to argue that with you. I am merely trying to explain the concept of one stating both, god is and god is not.

Edit; The argument doesn't end here. It goes on to question the supposition that nothing is the total of everything. Just as black is the absense of light and white is the combination of all light. The argument continues. Is god everything or nothing?

Edit to expand: Back to argument of the existence (mispelled by me thoughout this thread, sorry), the existEnce of zero.

If zero is the sum total of all that exists, then the number one is a fraction of all of creation, and God resides within that creation, as the whole. God is everywhere and everything. He is the clouds and the snail in the garden. Christains don't believe this. This Animism.

If zero is nothing, then the number one is a whole interger, the opposite of nothing, and god does not exist within the existence. He does not walk among us. Which is why Christains believe it was necessary for god to send an incarnate representative, Jesus, to intervene. This is the crux of the Jewish/Christain arguement.

Before Abraham, Jews were animistic. The idea of good and evil, black and white, is and is not, comes from Zoroaster, Persia, and was adopted by Abraham.

reply to post by GMan420

the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true.

The first definition of disbelief from the source you cited is;

the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true.

dictionary.reference.com...

If I say that I don’t know whether something exists I must necessarily be refusing to accept the truth of its existence. The alternative is to accept that its existence is true in which case I must know that it exists.

Therefore to say that I don’t know whether god exists is also to say that I disbelieve in its existence.

Disbelief does not equal uncertainty but uncertainty does equal disbelief.

I don't know if you have an afro or skin head and since I can't confirm either, then yes you have both.

So, why do you believe in a god that does exist?

Again you’re not making any sense, it is impossible for me to both have an afro and a skinhead; we’re not talking about quantum states here.

Why does not knowing whether something exists or not mean that it must both exist and not exist at the same time? What is the logic that leads to this conclusion?

And I don’t believe in a god that does exist.