I agree with the Inuit people , The sun is definetly moving over a different path in the sky . See M

This gentleman has been looking at this issue for many years now

www.divulgence.net...

Perhaps when the scientist say an Earthquake change the tilt of the earth they mean the earth has moved and the sun will appear in a slightly different position from before.

so go google www.google.ca... and read the 655,000+ results
and then maybe you'll understand what changing the tilt of the axis means.

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I am in new york and also have notice the same thing about the sun, but i also think something changed with the stars at night, they seem closer or off some how.....not sure what it is about stars...but something is different about stars

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I have had these feelings for a few months. Some people i know have felt as though the sunlight is brighter. I felt as thought he sun has been higher in the sky myself but wasn't sure if it was just me. I have heard people say the sun light seems whiter and brighter. It does seem brighter but to me it just seems higher in the sky. What is really going on?

A real good theory that I have heard, actually it was a thought before I read about it. The light is bending more in the atmosphere just like when you put a stick in the water and the stick appears to bend because of the light bending. Its a good theory. I'm still on the fence and I am still looking for answers. S&F I hope to find some useful information in you're thread. Take care.

I posted this a couple of months back.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have to say for myself the sun is in pretty much the same position it has always been. In the summer the way the window is angled in my room the sun cuts right through the blinds and always hits me in the face when I'm in bed in the morning. It has been doing this since I moved into the house and it is doing it this summer as well. Were it not doing this I'd have to say I'd agree something is off. It's like clockwork though.

It's not so much that the SUN has changed, it's our planet's wobble or tilt that maybe has changed.

I have a similar story, I live in LA, where the sun sets in the west! You can go to the beach and watch the sunset over the water...I remember it growing up as a kid, taking dates there as a teenager, and now as a 33 year old grown man...I notice a difference.

This was BEFORE I watched the INUIT PEOPLE video, I was at the beach about 2 months ago, and it was getting close to Sunset so I decided to stay a little longer and watch it fall into the water. As time went by, I noticed it was more north...like NORTH WEST. By the time the sun reach sunset...it was disappearing behind the cliffs north west of us! NOT OVER THE WATER! At least from our POV. I pulled out my iphone and used my compass, and it too seemed a little off. I felt like I was in the twilight zone or something.

To me this is insane, its always been directly west, directly over the water from LA. But now its at an angle, and depending on which beach you're at, it may not even set into the water!

I watched the INUIT PEOPLE video after, and it really hit home. I noticed it without the head's up, and felt so relieved to know I wasn't imagining things. Maybe there is some truth to this pole shift thing.

Im not losing sleep over this, but I am 100% more aware of what is going on in nature, weather, and other signs such as this...if anything drastic does happen, at least Im mentally prepared to react in a rational way and not lose my mind if things get crazy.

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Stars are different, they aren't in our Solar System and their position appears to change over the years due to precession. This site may help you visualize what that is:

www.lunarplanner.com...

You can ignore the New Age mumbo jumbo if you like but there are some excellent visuals there....

The Trancemodulous forces have slowly moved the earth so we will not notice.

The terror is the not knowing,I hope the bird of life will fly through the storm.

Originally posted by JRockABM


To me this is insane, its always been directly west, directly over the water from LA. But now its at an angle, and depending on which beach you're at, it may not even set into the water!

What do you mean 'always'? The sun doesn't set in the exact same place from day to day.

Also, AGAIN, the 'Inuit people issue' is really about optical illusions, not a shifting axis. IF you researched it at all beyond a headline, that is.

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Sometimes I just want to pull my hair out when I'm on this site. Honestly, why do people choose to believe what they "remember" when it's a proven fact that memory is flawed. Anectdotal evidence means nothing. Please, take a measure, plot a line, mark the time, use your head for something other than a hat rack. (sorry for the last comment but.. almost speachless here).

Go here (Sunrise Sunset times)
and look at the times for sunrise and sunsets; go back for several years and look at the times for the same date each year. You will see that the times don't change. If the Earth's tilt had changed by only a fraction of a degree, the times would be different, but they aren't and it hasn't.

Originally posted by Pervius
Here on the opposite side of the world I can still see Jupiter pretty big in the early morning sky before sunrise as we've seen since what...September?

Anyways...using my 36x spotting scope I've noticed the 4 Galilean moons of Jupiter ain't moved since September.

They make a nice straight line. That's the only odd thing I've noticed.

Earth doesn't make a perfect circle around the sun, neither does Jupiter. Hence why we are close to each other now. And probably why the sun appears a little off.

...but whats up with Jupiters 4 big moons?

? I used my telescope years ago to look at those. I thought they're supposed to line up and only deviate by a few degrees?

Here is my take, I've said this before.

Every summer in Oregon, the sun squeezes it's way through a crack between 3 apartment buildings and hits mine at 6pm. Without fail.

The way my building is, there is a small opening--all other places where light can enter are blocked. Building to the south, building to the north, building to the west.

Yet, at 6pm I can count on the sun making it's way through this small gap and into my eyesight, making my person so bright I can see reflect off my computer/tv screen.

it's a real nuisance, I'd love it if the sun would change course...

Do those that claim deviations concerning the sun have a non-psychologically based hypothesis (so not claiming insanity, ignorance, close-mindedness, other agendas, etc.) for why there are also many on the same earth that can observe the sun's position or time of rising/setting and see nothing different? For those that mention the idea that latitude has something to do with it, can you explain why?

These things could always be something local and not global - the repeatedly aforementioned atmospheric illusions, or tectonic plate uplift, crustal deformations, various possibilities I can't think of, etc.

There's also the possibility that it is temporary. You can get in touch with this man: Shan Shanmugasundaram. Or look at his site. He lives in India and tracks the path of the sun every single day. You can watch the video on his site and see the sprawling network he has drawn on his wall. The sunlight deviates from the path on his wall. He bases earthquake predictions on it. Then the sunlight path rights itself and returns to the correct course. It does this all the time. He's been watching it for years and years. So yes, perhaps the sun deviates all the time and you can notice it. The earth wobbles. It also seems to always come back.

Frankly the reliability of Mr. Shan's predictions is completely irrelevant, but if either the earth or the sun deviated from their norm and never returned, he not only would have noticed, but also measured the magnitude. He sounds more like an alternative kind of science guy than a mainstream scientist or government employee, if you're more comfortable with that.

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Did the earths axis not shift during the Japan earthquake. Maybe this has something to do with it?

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Thanks for your reply. Yup, I'd have to agree, was thinking it was impossible based on reasons like the one you offered.

And, I couldn't really say if the sun is rising higher here in NJ, but it seems to be setting about where I remember. But I still can't help but wonder about the middle of the day and where it is in the sky causing the angle it now hits my car(where the sky has a large unobstructed swath w/o any trees/bldgs/shade objects at that spot/nothing like that). Perhaps is is just an anticipated wobble that some of us laypeople just don't know about?

In the realm of wild conjecture, just for fun, what if?
a) a vast majority of contemporary observers (and all online geopositioning relative to astronomy) had their baseline parameters altered - would everybody notice?
b) anyone still anologue doubts their own experience or just isn't looking in the right direction at the right time?

Well I live in Glasgow and the sun is in exactly the same position as it has always been! Even the moss thinks so........the moss likes the dark non sunny north facing side of rocks. No new moss patterns no new path for the sun!

Originally posted by bourbon2nite
Man this has really got me thinking(and that in itself is scary) but I can conclude a few things.

I have been confused about celebrities that I knew were dead and are now alive or died long after I remember their death.

I also say that Australia is not located where I knew that it was in school.

And now I know that the sun is setting further north than I remember well when I was younger.

wow I wonder if somehow I have been transported to another dimension, somehow . Dang it there has to be something to this. When people are giving convincing evidence why the sun is exactly where it should be and they must be right. But I am also right that it is not where it was. Maybe I am what is in the wrong place or at least not the same place I started.

O.K. have at me but I know what I know. I am truly confused.

Maybe the whole Earth has been surrounded by geostationary spacecraft using a cloaking device that might be creating an optical illusion just kidding. Your OP was interesting though and you took the time to sketch it for us to use as a reference. I am not quite sure what to make off it. The only way I would know is if I was their. I agree that there are a lot of strange things happening right now. I am curios of what the climax will be during my life on earth.

My usual astronomy site shot me down in flames on both the position of the sun and supposed halt to the earths wobble that started back up again. Totally pissed themselves at the loony innuit story too.

One guy does have a pretty accurate position on polar north/north star and it hasnt changed one bit, all stars appear to be where they are supposed to be, so what would cause something like this is a puzzle.

If the sun moved, it would also be in relation to the stars and be able to be quantified ? Yes?
If the Earth moved, same deal, the visible stars would all have moved, not just the sun? Yes?
If we get into the earths mantle slipping, if that happen at differing rates in various places, then that might show up as some things having moved for some but not for others? Yes?

This has happened before ; Immanuel Velikovsky , here's a couple of excerpt from his 1950s work .
"The Book of Joshua ....relates the order of events . "Joshua chased his enemies ... as they fled, great stones were cast from the sky. That same day , the sun stood still over Gibeon and the moon over the valley of Ajalon ."

.... "Allowing for the distance in longitude , it must have been early morning or night in the Western Hemishpere.
We go to the shelf where stand the books with the historical traditions of the aboriginees of Central America. ""

Velikosky links events chronologically

"In the Mexican Anals of Cuauhtitlan the history of the empire of Culhuacan and Mexico, written in the Nahua-Indian of the sixteenth century - it is related that a cosmic catastrophe occured in the remote past , the night did not end for a long time. "

"The biblical narrative describes the sun remaining in the sky for an additional day ("about a whole day") The Midrashim , the books of the ancient traditions not embodied in the Scriptures , relate that the sun and the moon stood still for thirty six itim , or eighteen hours , and thus from sunrise to sunset lasted about thirty hours."

"We could follow a path around the earth and inquire into the various traditions concerning the prolonged day and prolonged night , with sun and moon absent or tarrying at differnet points along the zodiac , while the earth underwent a bombardment of stones in a world ablaze. But we must postpone this journey. There was more than one catashtrophe when , according to the memory of mankind , the earth refused to play the chronometer by undisturbed rotation on its axis. First we must differentiate the single occurences of cosmic catastrophes , some of which took place before the one described here, some after it , some of greater extent , some of lesser."

Other input ; w refernce to the last line Velikovsky eventually reached the conclusion (by 1980s) that the return of the comet is every 3500 years . The disasters that folllowed the events re sun and moon and came with the comet about 1500 BC . Read Velikovsky ; there is a huge weight of backup not just these snippets .In all seriousness comet c/2x51hell could be on the way in .
the traditions were not introduced etc