I agree with the Inuit people , The sun is definetly moving over a different path in the sky . See M

yea thats something i noticed too it is definitly rising to the north more and setting to the north more, probebly because the earth was knocked off of it's access with the suname, if you look above where the suname originatedd and the nasa satilite picks, the clouds are rippiled from a transmission of eenergy into the gods sent to judge to see who is holy and good and would let the power of creation flow through them, the energy would only pass through good being, and since so many resisted the ways of good and blocked the energy from escaping the earth it caused a suname from the force +the resistance, if they didn't be evil it would have gone through them but they didn't and the pressure build up caused a suname. all those that let the energy throguh them passed judgemnt that ends in 2012 and depending on what the gods choose their might be another time marking event

Originally posted by BabiesGame69
yea thats something i noticed too it is definitly rising to the north more and setting to the north more, probebly because the earth was knocked off of it's access with the suname, if you look above where the suname originatedd and the nasa satilite picks, the clouds are rippiled from a transmission of eenergy into the gods sent to judge to see who is holy and good and would let the power of creation flow through them, the energy would only pass through good being, and since so many resisted the ways of good and blocked the energy from escaping the earth it caused a suname from the force +the resistance, if they didn't be evil it would have gone through them but they didn't and the pressure build up caused a suname. all those that let the energy throguh them passed judgemnt that ends in 2012 and depending on what the gods choose their might be another time marking event

edit on 28-7-2011 by BabiesGame69 because: just simple spelling mistake a missing letter

All I can say in response to this is.........

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OMG not this rubbish again. Look I know that some of you believe the Sun is not where it was before, becasue its not! This is natural. The Sun rides along a track in the sky that shifts all the time.

Watch this.


And watch this for how crazy our solar system movement really is.


Also, in America twice a year the Sun is in a different location than it was several years before because of the Bush factor. Bush changed when the daylight savings times change twice each year to piss off IT guys.

Here is defenses what we've noticed so you can compare to your location , I live in Croatia on see cost close to Split ..

I try to explain but is not so easy ..

Sunset is little more to North from previous West direction, end go more deeper in North side of summer zenith ..

FFS people watch this video and deny ignorance!

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Here is one more for you. Why did they change the dates for the time change to begin with?
Perhaps to cover up something, distract the population with the usual so that we are confused and doubt our eyes when the moon is where it is suppose to be one night, and then the next night too far north?
Something is going on if more people are seeing something off, but, hey for those who don't believe, no proof is enough. But when you do notice it, it will change your perspective. A paradigm shift is coming, I think a physical, spiritual, and philosophical change is coming.

Hiya Pilot, amateur astronomers use motorised scopes and software that points towards the object they want to observe. It can be used for tracking objects too. This is quite accurate and more so than my suggestion of a visual comparison.

Not a single amateur astronomer has noticed that their telescopes aren't pointing where they should be. On a grander scale, there are small observatories run by volunteers who also aren't noticing the stars being out of place. Each solstice, various sub-cultures celebrate the Sun and they haven't noticed anything unusual either.

I haven't mentioned international, independent observatories or space-based observatories and satellites because their evidence isn't up-to-scratch for many ATSers.

We're talking celestial mechanics here...massive planets, moons and stars orbiting each other. The Earth can't just move and neither can the Sun.

@ Coffeesniffer - I'll look forward to it


Here are the photos I took two nights ago in my garden pointing towards Polaris (North Star), they dont mean anything, I just love the feeling it gives me watching our planet spin and photos are good for that, its cloudy tonight but i had been hoping to take some much longer exposures pictures to show the tracks of the stars, for me its simply gorgeous.
Anyway, the reason I came to the thread todays was because of co-incidence i guess, it took my imagination because i like looking at these things too, more than most maybe and I took the stance that, because, this could be proven one way or another with simple photograghy, wouldnt it be worthwhile doing it? Just the same as when scientists first said they had proven something us conspirists could have solid proof, proof we could all capture ourselves so simply and not live in ignorance and speculation?


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Originally posted by Skada
reply to post by BIGPoJo

 

Here is one more for you. Why did they change the dates for the time change to begin with?
Perhaps to cover up something, distract the population with the usual so that we are confused and doubt our eyes when the moon is where it is suppose to be one night, and then the next night too far north?
Something is going on if more people are seeing something off, but, hey for those who don't believe, no proof is enough. But when you do notice it, it will change your perspective. A paradigm shift is coming, I think a physical, spiritual, and philosophical change is coming.

They did it to try and save energy hence saving money. What actually happened was Microsoft did not release a free pacth to change when the auto timezone settings change and charged people $25 per license to correct the problem. This pissed me off because I'm an IT guy.

If you are right, every Astronomer on the planet is in on a grand conspiracy and hiding this from us.

I find when I get myself trapped because I came up with an insane Idea, it's best to admit it and move on. Happens to all of us.

Perhaps contact a local Meteorologist and ask them if the Sun is in the right place? But then they would all be in on it also.

Oddly enough the large Inuit population we have here are oblivious to this it would seem. Not to mention the Sun is where it is supposed to be every day here. That means it's only out of place where you are and nowhere else. I can't wrap my mind around how that could be true. But then, if you say so.

Why is this not in the Skunkworks?

My husband believes the Sun is setting in a different place, he does a lot of Gardening and like going out on the ATV . There are also a number of points in the sky these last few months where I keep seeing what appears to be stars wobbling in a sort of circular motion (GA, USA) at least 8 of them in the same place every night, one night I set my alarm after seeing them around 10pm, got up at 3.30 am and yes they were still there, really high up and looking just like stars.
My Mom also reported that in S.A where she lives close to Durban she saw a crescent moon for 3 days that looked like it was on it's back (about a month ago I think), points upward (not on it's usual left or right side). She says she's never seen that before and she's in her sixties. We see crescents on the left or right depending on where the moon is in relation to the sun and the earth. Not bull horns straight up .... The other thing I've noticed is weve had an awful lot of blood red moons this last year in GA, USA.

ok, what i don't get is this. If the sun did change from spot, how come my GOTO telescope can automatically find the sun?
Simple, because its in the place where its aught to be!

Try to debunk that!

(I use a Celestron C8 on a equatorial mount... One that is automatic..)

It should be clear that most that are witnessing this phenomenon do not have an answer to why the sun position seems to be more northernly but are stating that it definitely APPEARS to be in the wrong place. I am sitting right now facing due west at 2:30pm (in a location where time zones never change) staring directly at the sun which is in a position much different from any time in the past. Normally the sun should be still in the south?! This is a fact. I have no false memories or delusions of where the sun used to be. At this rate the sun will set way north of the airport (landmark) of which it used to NEVER do! I have referenced this in a previous thread but beleive it could be a major shift in atmospheric conditions affecting light refraction.
Those that blatantly scoff at such observations and espouse their internet "evidence" such as computer models, stated sun setting times, etc. must either:
1) live at a latitude where the sun appears to be in it's rightful place
2) never actually notice their immediate surroundings
3) study purely astronomical celestial positions as opposed to atmospheric causes
4) be utter dis-info trolls.

The fact that this anomaly has been DOCUMENTED in Greenland, Resolute Bay, Norway, and Northerly areas leads me to believe that further study IS warranted. People who earnestly observe such occurances should not
be sidetracked by naysayers with curt responses, but rather establish root causes for this.

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Well not from here it isn't!!! It is rising and setting in more or less the same place it has done for the last millenium. Stonehenge and other stone circles prove that as the angles still work.

So how can it be that in their part of the world it is all so different? Just not true and a silly rumour so why spread this around? Anyone with any intelligence will know this is nonsensical.

Truth is best!

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I live in southern Illinois have noticed this too. The sun is a bit north. My neighbor has a large porch and usually around 7am-ish the sun will shine through the porch and is so beautiful. This year the sun shines more to the alley just north of her porch. I don't see the hazy morning sun glowing through her porch.

I have lived her 10 years this fall and my sink that I do dishes in gives me direct view of the porch. I did say something to my husband but he didn't know what would cause it..

oh and to the others...I do feel that the sun is somehow "hotter" than normal this summer..I mean i know it's summer and all and yes it's supposed to be hot but this year it is really unbearable..you go out for just a few minutes and my skin feels like it is really tightening up and searing. I usually LOVE summer but this year it has really been too much.

Originally posted by Goldcurrent
It should be clear that most that are witnessing this phenomenon do not have an answer to why the sun position

The fact that this anomaly has been DOCUMENTED in Greenland, Resolute Bay, Norway, and Northerly areas leads me to believe that further study IS warranted.

Sources.?

People who earnestly observe such occurances should not
be sidetracked by naysayers with curt responses, but rather establish root causes for this.

Actually, its been noted in this thread and many of the other threads making similar claims that what is possibly happening is people are seeing an illusion. That is the explanation given by the guy who made the documentary about 'the inuit' this OP is taking out of context.

The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. “There is so much garbage in the air, it’s refraction that’s causing our elders to think our world has tilted,” Kunuk says.

I live in Ohio and all that I can say is that the sun is setting more to the north than it did when I was a yougster at home.
My parents bought their home in 1966 and things were put in their place such as our swing set , patios . trees for future shade etc. based specifically on where the sun was at a particular time of day.
Also, as a youngster I had to be in the house or at least the yard at sunset. I know exactly where I would look to watch the sun.
I do not know how to explain it, but if the sun has not changed position then something has rotated the entire countryside where I grew up. My parents have commented as well. My mother now has to draw the drapes on her patio doors at the rear of the house. Before they were always left open as the patio was always shade in the evening.
Just my two cents but I know what I know. But I most certainly do not know why.

Originally posted by Revolution9
reply to post by the2010apprentice

 

Well not from here it isn't!!! It is rising and setting in more or less the same place it has done for the last millenium. Stonehenge and other stone circles prove that as the angles still work.

So how can it be that in their part of the world it is all so different? Just not true and a silly rumour so why spread this around? Anyone with any intelligence will know this is nonsensical.

Truth is best!

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No, it IS worth considering what some people are seeing is am optical illusion of sorts, due to a warming atmosphere, pollution, or other unknown causes. That's the official explanation, at least.

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Clearly you would not know the truth if it was before your very eyes.

Dont try and diss-credit without providing some basis or evidence.

I personally am not talking about sun rising or setting , The sun does not set in Glasgow , Scotland at 6.30 - 7pm . You are making a nonsensical claim with zero evidence but going on old information.

Clearly you do not welcome change in your brain.

Evidence is before your eyes.... You just need to open them once in a while

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I also think atmospherics could be at play here, I remeber reading somewhere that pollution was causing the blood red moons (usually only seen at eclipses etc).