I agree with the Inuit people , The sun is definetly moving over a different path in the sky . See M

Been lurking on ATS for awhile, and was compelled to finally join to respond here. When I first saw threads about the sun changing its path, I thought it was absolutely not possible. As much creedence as I give native people in their perception of nature, I thought these must be particularly wacko Inuits. While I still doubt the sun's path or earth's angle is changing, I've got a couple of doubts about my doubts.

The main argument against it is based on the assumption that scientists, experts, and lay people would notice and it would be big news. This is a shaky assumption. Scientists and experts can argue about the obvious until long after the cows come home, and most of the rest of us don't know enough or don't believe our own eyes. And no one, especially scientists with careers to maintain, wants to be called crazy.

And for 8 years I have parked my same car in the same exact spot, in a basically N-S alignment. I never needed to put up the springform shades on the windshield when I parked facing N, simply because the sun never hit it at that angle, even at the solstice. Around the end of June, my husband asked me why the shades weren't up, because the sun would ruin the dash. I was totally surprised that the sun was shining nearly straight through the dash, enough to reconsider if this outlandish theory might have some merit after all.

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The sun could not move with out affecting the entire solar system.

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Yeh mate, I live in South Australia and it is noticeable here. What I dont understand is, When I ask someone....They acknowledge it and stand there confused...and then go back to their task...it's strange, like we are being distracted from it.

Originally posted by spyder550
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The sun could not move with out affecting the entire solar system.

Can you prove that? How do we not know that the sun isn't moving. Perhaps there are other gravity waves, particle flows and the sort that we haven't discovered yet that maintain our orbits? We should know by now, that we know absolutely very little, and we barely know that.

Man this has really got me thinking(and that in itself is scary) but I can conclude a few things.

I have been confused about celebrities that I knew were dead and are now alive or died long after I remember their death.

I also say that Australia is not located where I knew that it was in school.

And now I know that the sun is setting further north than I remember well when I was younger.

wow I wonder if somehow I have been transported to another dimension, somehow . Dang it there has to be something to this. When people are giving convincing evidence why the sun is exactly where it should be and they must be right. But I am also right that it is not where it was. Maybe I am what is in the wrong place or at least not the same place I started.

O.K. have at me but I know what I know. I am truly confused.

Originally posted by chericher

The main argument against it is based on the assumption that scientists, experts, and lay people would notice and it would be big news. This is a shaky assumption. Scientists and experts can argue about the obvious until long after the cows come home, and most of the rest of us don't know enough or don't believe our own eyes. And no one, especially scientists with careers to maintain, wants to be called crazy.

How can it be shaky -- we are not talking about something the we have data for that has any kind of error built in -- in the astronomical circles -- measuring the position of the sun is like astronomy 101 -- actually more like remedial astronomy. You are not understanding how simple and boringly repeatable this is.

Tell you what -- go to this website and know that this is a grain of sand on the beach of knowledge about the sun. Do you not think that the fanatics who designed these things would not know where the sun is expected to be at every moment day or night.

en.wikipedia.org...

or here -- your own sun position calculator -- these guys would have noticed I am sure

www.sunposition.info...

Really the sun is changing -- Really?

Originally posted by spyder550
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The sun could not move with out affecting the entire solar system.

The planets axis has shifted. Not the sun.

heres my most recent observation. yesterday I take the trash out around 7:45 roundabout. I stop to smoke and watch the nightly return of the grand canyon tour helocopters come in from the east. at this time the sun is already well into setting in the west. within a matter of minutes there is quite of bit of light glow coming from considerable north of where the sun set.

obviously everything is where it should be, it's that there just seems to be more light kicking around the northern skies. enough to gently glow clouds in the eastern night sky for a little bit. now I notice this faintly from the SW usa, I could imagine it might be more prolific the further north you go, hence it seeming like the sun rose earlier in greenland.

this is clearly just an illusion of sorts.

you know tracking the sun orbit over an year...from an film in an tin can with an little hole in it........
that would proof it if there was an anomalyi n the orbit....

Well, what about the GPS network. How about someone check that a few times a day for a week or two to see if any readings are off. If they are, then the earth is wobbling a bit more. If not, then either the sun/earth is not moving/wobbling and we are delusional, or something else is happening.

I think the Earth is wobbling more, but that is just me.

Originally posted by spyder550
reply to post by Britx

 

The sun could not move with out affecting the entire solar system.

Friend, lets think about this another way. You are correct the sun has not moved, rather the earths angle of tilt (23.5 degrees) has changed.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

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Newton and Galileo et al worked that out long long long ago -- before television when that was all they had to think about. If it weren't for their work we would not be launching stuff at the moon or mars to for christ sake actually rendezvousing with a lump of dirt a brazillion miles away -- do you honestly think that if there was some unknown gravitational anomaly -- popping up here and there - we could actually do that. You are talking years of travel and brazillions of miles - and bingo there she is an asteroid -- have you ever tried to navigate to an island on the ocean in a plane or a boat -- not easy.

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Voting for delusional.

The question you are missing the unknown is -- why do I/we perceive this anomaly, when we know that it can't be happening -- the answer to that would be much more meaningful and interesting than, this tilting at windmills exercise.

Here's the thing though... There are ancient stone megalith "calendars" that mark the Summer and Winter solstice with great precision. One such monument being Stonehenge, which is estimated to have been built around 3000BC. The Summer soltice in 2011 came and went with no one reporting that the sun didn't rise exactly where it was supposed to be as marked by the stones for over 5,000 yrs....

The Inuit peoples stories, grandpa's stories and anyone else's stories are just anectdotal evidence. I'll trust the stones... I always have.

Originally posted by wingsfan

this is clearly just an illusion of sorts.

No that is Fukishima

Originally posted by ChungTsuU

Originally posted by spyder550
reply to post by Britx

 

The sun could not move with out affecting the entire solar system.

Friend, let think about this another way. You are correct the sun has not moved, rather the earths angle of tilt (23.5 degrees) has changed.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

edit on 28-7-2011 by ChungTsuU because: (no reason given)

No it hasn't.... see above....

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Time will tell this story...

This year at Stonehenge it was overcast till late morning.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

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Perception is an interesting thing.
May years ago in south/central America the Spanish landed. The local population didn't see the ships at first because they had nothing to compare the ships with in their memory. So, the ships were effectively invisible. The shaman noticed a change in tides and stared at the waters for days until he saw what was changing the tides. He pointed out the ships to the other indigenous people, and lo and behold they all saw the ships.

We see what we want, or don't see what we don't want to see. But looking at and focusing on one pin prick in the sky won't show you the rest of the stars. Gotta step back and take in all the pieces of the puzzle.

I live 40 miles away in Edinburgh, Scotland, and I have posted here SEVERAL times that the sun is rising and setting and moving across the sky in different ways. This thread here backs up what I am seeing, and others.

Originally posted by ChungTsuU
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Time will tell this story...

This year at Stonehenge it was overcast till late morning.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

Seriously? No amount of time will convince me... and no amount of time will change the fact that the angle of the Earth's tilt has not changed in any way shape or form. lol...

Sunrise/Sunset times LA 2008: 28 July 2008 06:02 19:56
Sunrise/Sunset times LA 2009: 28 July 2009 06:02 19:56
Sunrise/Sunset times LA 2010: 28 July 2010 06:02 19:56
Sunrise Sunset times LA 2011: 28 July 2011 06:02 19:56

Do you understand that if the angle of the Earth's tilt had changed these time would be different?

I got nuthin but time my friend... Namaste..

Source: Time zone converter...