"Tea Party GOP Drives US Towards Catastrophic Default, World Panic"

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

No, I agree. I think it's great you disprove of Bush's policies 8 years later.

I'm sure many Obama supporters will claim to have disapproved of his policies a decade from now.

Actually, I think many Obama supporters from 2008 will show their disapproval of his policies a year from now. No need to wait a decade.

reply to post by Kokatsi

So what do Tea Party radicals say to the 16 trillion dollars doled out to private corporations by the government?
sanders.senate.gov...


And to the largest military spending of the world - maintained principally for defending the interests of foreign corporations abroad?
Or to military aid to useless dictators across the world?
Isn't this where normally you would begin if you want the US gov to serve American citizens? And perhaps not medical care which is served publicly in every civilized country?

HUH

How do you get that from DOWN SIZING the Federal Government, and BRINGING the troops HOME. As well as moving most programs back under state control where they belong and can be closely watched by the citizens.

If you want publicly funded finger painting lessons that is fine and dandy as long as it is through STATE legislation not FEDERAL.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. -10th Amendment

The reason the Bill of Rights was written that way was to grant the maximum amount of freedom. You want minimal government??? Move to New Hampshire or Texas. You want lots of state funded programs? Move to Calif. or Mass. Everyone is happy that way except for those on POWER TRIPS.

reply to post by smallpeeps

Legalize the drug trade....

Legalize Drugs, Prostitution and Gambling then TAX the crap out of it.... After all why should the CIA get all that cash???

reply to post by inforeal


So now Obama is weak? I thought he was the Messiah?He can't even make a budget with total control the last 2 years. The blame belongs to him. The Tea Party hasn't spent Trillions on a failed so called "Stimulus package"
The Tea party can't be blamed for Obama's failure to close Gitmo and get us out of 2 wars. Is the Tea Party to blame for getting us into Libya?

I still affiliated as Republican but am going Tea Party. Neither can be trusted and both have taken away our freedoms along with creating this mess.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by smallpeeps

 

Legalize the drug trade....

Legalize Drugs, Prostitution and Gambling then TAX the crap out of it.... After all why should the CIA get all that cash???

Yes, it is obvious. Your post there is perfectly phrased. Why indeed? And you know there's more than just their fingers in the blackmail/drugs pie.

But what might happen if you legalize all drugs and cast down the authorities who prevent that, is that you'd get lower priced meds, less crime, and less politicians for sale.

I am reminded of the scene in the Godfather Part II where Frank Pantangali says the 30's were the golden days for the mob. "We were like the Roman Empire!" he says. Haha, yeah getting a COTUS amendment like prohibition, which creates a multi-billion dollar black market, will do that for ya! Mama mia all thanks to the righteous hypocrites!

Yeah and then finally when Michael Corleone gets to the top, what does he become? A Knight of Malta!

Really, could we ever elect a politician who didn't have contempt for us? Really? I'd say it is impossible to do so.

Originally posted by mugger
reply to post by inforeal

 

So now Obama is weak? I thought he was the Messiah?He can't even make a budget with total control the last 2 years. The blame belongs to him. The Tea Party hasn't spent Trillions on a failed so called "Stimulus package"
The Tea party can't be blamed for Obama's failure to close Gitmo and get us out of 2 wars. Is the Tea Party to blame for getting us into Libya?

I still affiliated as Republican but am going Tea Party. Neither can be trusted and both have taken away our freedoms along with creating this mess.

So you are 'affiliated' with the Republicans but blame the current admin. for all of our financial problems?

Were you in a coma for the past 3 decades?

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

No, I agree. I think it's great you disprove of Bush's policies 8 years later.

I'm sure many Obama supporters will claim to have disapproved of his policies a decade from now.

Actually, I think many Obama supporters from 2008 will show their disapproval of his policies a year from now. No need to wait a decade.

You're probably right. I suppose they will realize the guy they voted for was a fraud FAR faster than those who voted for Bush, who waited until AFTER two terms of his disastrous policies to pretend to disavow him.

Where is Thomas Jefferson when we need him??? sigh. Politics/games/blame. It's all media fodder. Just like the threatened government shutdowns that never happen, this is put out there to make us all go 'ooh, ahhh, oh no! what if???!' sigh. The government is playing our emotions like a bad chess game.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Republicans get in office and they blame the Democrats...Democrats get in office and they blame the Republicans...back and forth the pendulum swings. What everyone is not paying attention to, is the fact that most government policy and procedure and law TAKES just about a four year term to start being noticed/effective (or in-effective)...and, so the blame is always falsely placed. Kind of a catch-22 of politics....so then we have: Democrats blame Republicans....Republicans blame Democrats...etc, etc., etc. ad infinitum....

What we need is a smaller government with less labels. Plain and simple.

reply to post by solsticks


Agreed. Which is why I find it humorous to read Republicans attacking the current WH Admin for policies initiated by the previous one they supported.

One would hope ATS would be above such partisan tactics, but it is the majority here.

I look forward to the post 2016 when we have another GOP in the WH and they blame all their problems on the previous admin. The irony will be rich and gooey.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


I agree with you, as well. That's exactly what I was trying to get across. The current party is always blamed by the opposing party. And yet, it is their own policy. It makes me so upset that I can't tolerate politics anymore.

The Cloward & Piven Strategy is in effect. Look it up.
'Reduce the ability of citizens to support themselves and then they must rely on those who created the problem ... the government.'

They are deferring the inevitable… No one wants to deal with the fiscal cancer based on years of poor decisions on consumption of crap and entangled corrosive loans.

Our legislators on both sides of the isle were not following the intent of our Constitution and simple basic sound economic fundamentals. We have to live with letting the party boys at the Senate and House fraternities who trashed our house by our own derelictions, and now pay for the results of apathy.

All the freebies and handouts, special entitlements for ‘special people’….
Payback is a bitch gentlemen. Those who think socialism is for the masses are right.
But it is they who think they are above the masses that want to control the ideological experiment to their own warped perceptions, that are about to find the wrath of citizens who are still real men and women who will soon get off the couch and fight for liberties once handed to them by their parents long ago….

Hold the fort and don’t let them get away with another bandaid fix! There isn’t one!
Pull the old bandages off of this wound and let’s fix it. Yes it will hurt like hell, just DO IT Damn it!
Who ever heard of ‘stabilizing’ a ship by sinking it with the weight of more debt? What kind of frigging logic is that?

As a broken logic analogy...

Listen, I maxed out all my credit cards and even took my neighbors credit cards cause he was rich and he needs to pay his fair share of my debt.....So I went to the bank and told them, if they don't give me more credit cards, I won't be able to pay my debts and THEY are going to be in a whole world of #$#% and problems !! I told them it's in the Constitution that they are responsible for my Happiness....It's true. It's in there!

I am so tired of listening to the logic by the 'borg' mentality that wants to give up their liberties by governement so every one will be as poor or as lost as they are....

Love the way TD at ZH concludes his commentary on the debt debate....

To be honest, we have had enough with ridiculous diversions. Just pass the damn "deal" already so that we can all resume observing the global economy collapse in on itself first slowly, and then very very fast.

I couldn't read it all, too many long winded individuals on this topic. Wanted to throw my hat in the ring a bit.

I feel many people are not aware that the states are supposed to wield the power to regulate most fo these items that we are worried about the federal government not being able to afford to do in the future.



I see the collapse of the federal government as a big step forward to returning America to regionalism within its borders. The senate and house of each state were meaningful at one time, now they are not. State governments are supposed to wield the power in the centralized government. Not other country's diplomats and elite, or corporations, or lobbyists for that matter.

States haven't had to run the show since 1913. Its about time we realize that regardless of the issues we face as a country, regional governments have been shown to be very promising. Yes, it is harder to get something done on a global scale. But shouldn't it be harder? Should it have been so easy for our government to pass the patriot act? Or any other of the meaningless and absolutely horrific legislation over the last decade? Should a bought and paid for federal employee be able to sign our rights away through a international treaty without a fight? My vote is for states to have more power, and the only way for that to happen is for the feds to lose some of theirs.

Several instances where state rights have been violated recently, but I can tell you one thing that would never happen if states had their power returned - Needless war for rich people's gains. Declaring war would be a political nighmare, as IT SHOULD BE.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Whatsreal

 

Lets compromise then. No more war for, say, no more abortions.
How about no more SPENDING untl a balanced budget ammendment is passed.
How about a "fair tax". 7%. For every person over the age of 18. NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

Willing to meet me on any of these?

You cannot say no more war and you cannot say no more abortions. If we are attacked by a legitimate enemy we need a standing army for DEFENSE. Its called the Department of Defense which at present acts like a Department of War (which was it's earlier name until 1949). You also cannot say no abortions.. there are plenty of medical reasons for one. I don't think it should be used all willy nilly, but there are circumstances where I believe an abortion is appropriate (save the Mother from medical emergency, in the case of rape or sexual abuse of the mother to name a couple).

Change the word spending to borrowing... we still need to pay our current obligations... we should not stiff people in the short term, but things do need to change across the board and readjustments of benefits/expenditures for ALL programs need to be considered and made appropriately.

Fair tax sounds good. Why not just a sales tax at 12%, no income tax for individuals. Corporate income tax at whatever an appropriate % is to cover the cost of infrastructure and education. Corps are a bigger strain on the roads, power lines, sewers, etc. Schools train our future workers so it is in the business sectors best interest for our kids to become the best and brightest. Right now, they are being trained to be monkeys ( I say this as a former Algebra teacher... also, Ron Paul is right about closing down the department of education).

We would all still have to pay small state and local taxes but they should also be at fair rates... Do away with real estate taxes!

Everyone can come together in the middle somewhere...

On the topic of taxes and those who mentioned that legalization of drugs should be considered. Legalize Pot, tax it, alcohol, cigarettes, and soda (yes high fructose corn syrup with caffeine is addicting and destroys the body) at higher rates. Mushrooms would be cool too since they grow from the ground and are really just a funny form of food poisoning. Studies show that people are happier in life after just one experience with them. Almost every other drug needs to be processed or manufactured, are way stronger and therefore should remain illegal.

Originally posted by Skewed
The tea party people are doing exactly what they said they would do during their campaigns. I also support us not raising the debt ceiling, we have exceeded our means and we need to step back to the baseline. We have displaced the balance of things and tipped the scales.

But at the end of the day, if the solution does not include shutting down the federal reserve, nothing will work.

edit on 23-7-2011 by Skewed because: (no reason given)

People who say stuff like this don't have any idea what they are talking about.

You are effectively asking the US to file for bankruptcy and say we are no good for our debts.

Is that what you want?

A loser country that rolls over,

"That's right, we're broke and we have no hope,
we have no options, we don't even have any talents,
so we are going belly up."

I think we should muster the will to succeed rather than succumb and admit to failure now.

Originally posted by inforeal
None of the posts above understand that the Tea Party is a corporate shill; it is not even a legitimate movement. You should try reading what Tarpley says about who invented them—right-wing PTB.

Right, and this comes from the Iranian propaganda machine...sure let's trust the propaganda machine from a government that HATES the U.S., where women, and young girls who are raped are blamed for the rape and hanged... Let's trust the one country where they hang men for being gay, and probably young boys who have been raped by government officials, or rich barons and then are labaled as "gay" so these young boys can be executed as to not leave a trail...

Keep drinking that cool-aid...

Originally posted by inforeal
Also, they are threatening to bring down the economic system because of their adherence to no taxes for the rich, they don’t really care about the deficit. If they had they would have made a deal with Obama.

The ones who threatened to bring down the economic system were the Feds, who were the idea of leftwing Progressives, and which was implemented by a Progressive democrat Woodrow Wilson, by signing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913.

The plan to destroy these United States has been ongoing for decades, and thanks to uneducated and naive Americans such a ploy to destroy these United States is working quite well...

Originally posted by inforeal
The only good that can come from a default is that people finally will see the Tea party and their Republican conservative matrix for what they truly are.

Let's give you left wingers a reality check directly from the U.S. Constitution...

Section 4 - Republican form of government guaranteed. Each State to be protected.
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened), against domestic violence.
...

avalon.law.yale.edu...

What is it that it says?.... The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union A REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT...

BTW, it used to be the Republican goverment who used to stand for the people. It WAS the Republican government, and people of the United States who fought alongside black people to free all slaves. Now much of the Republican party has been hijacked by RINOs (Republicans In Name Only) who used to be Democrats, progressives, and leftwingers, and they did it to get rid of the one party that was standing up for the people.

Even the colors representing the parties were changed by those who want to destroy the United States. Red USED to be the color of democrats, and blue was the color of Republicans, but since the democrat stance is very similar to other "leftwing propaganda" those who want to destroy this nation even changed the colors so as to not be so obvious to the uneducated Americans who have fallen for the trap.

Now only a few real Republicans in government are still trying to fight for the people like Ron Paul.

You want to know what a real Republican is? read the U.S. Constitution and you will find what a real Republican is, one who stands for the REPUBLIC (not democracy) of these United States...

none of the debt needing paid off would exist if the federal reserve did not exist. Sounds pretty smart to me. Why should we pay rich retards interest on money they created out of thin air. Other economies are not playing fair, china artificially pegging their currency to the dollar, doesn't seem like they have a hard time with protectionism, yet when we decide we don't want to pay back a debt that isn't ours, that is some how giving up? I fail to make the connection.

Why pay people we don't really owe anything to. Do they need more yachts? You seem to be trying to make this a personal morale obligation, Whereas, the life styles of the people who would receive money from us would not change at all if we were to default.

Regardless of the road we take it ends in revolution. Albeit hopefully a peaceful one.

You could also go into detail about how the creation of the fractional reserve banking, and compound interest has more to do with our public debt crisis then anything else. You could make an argument stating that free trade agreements were needed. You however cannot make the argument that somehow common American folks (of which 80% of us are pretty ordinary economically) should have a morale, personal obligation to pay a rich banking cabal even more money.

When you consider that this cabal has the NET assets that could feel every living human being on the planet for at least the next hundred years. But somehow we should be morally obligated to give them even more? Because it would mean something to send a rich guy more money, while taking away any safety net that a working class citizen has?

I certainly won't be supporting anyone who thinks that our current class of super wealthy individuals have a free pass to continue raping our right to life and liberty. I would make the argument that what is currently going on in government more than exemplifies the definition of a TRAITOR.

People who say stuff like this don't have any idea what they are talking about. You are effectively asking the US to file for bankruptcy and say we are no good for our debts. Is that what you want? A loser country that rolls over, "That's right, we're broke and we have no hope, we have no options, we don't even have any talents, so we are going belly up." I think we should muster the will to succeed rather than succumb and admit to failure now.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Again.
The only thing worse than war, is losing the war.
Wave the white flag all you want. I'll work to enble your right to do so.

I cannot wait to hear what the war in Afghanistan has to do with anyone in the US being able to wave a wite flag. Not sure what you think that war is about. Would really love to know what your part in it is. You spend a lot of time on ATS for someone who is protecting anyone's right to wave any kind of flag.

Hugely inaccurate assessment of things. Yet another "Tea Party"-blaming hit piece. It's just the libbies looking to blame someone other than themselves for the mess they can't get out of. Truth be told, this is a problem larger than the two parties combined.