The Norway massacre and the question nobody cares to ask

Originally posted by Tib50

Originally posted by Master_007

For me the question that needs to be asked is what drove him to it.

My theory is he was tired of immigrants taking over his country

Then why didn't he kill 90 immigrants, or attack a mosque while everyone was on their knees inside, like some Muslims attack other Muslims at prayer?

Why did he kill his own Norwegian people, if "anti-Muslim" or "anti-immigrants" motivated him?

It doesn't make any sense. I also don't understand how one man can shoot 90 kids, one at a time, without any adult trying to stop him.

He was killing the young supporters of a political party which he judged had encouraged too much immigration of Muslims. He was killing what HE regarded as the enemy of HIS country. It makes plenty of sense as far as he is concerned. Try overpowering someone with a machine gun. It's a suicide mission.

Originally posted by martiendejong
I did read the manifesto, found no valid points in it really, and a lot of bigotry.
If there is something I missed, please enlighten me.

He says essentially,

"If you have some problem with killing women, due to chivalry, you need to fight past that and think of the greater good."

This ties in with what I said earlier, about the dude having girl problems, and being completely stupid.

But really since he also says he's pro-homosexuality, then this implies that he cannot relate correctly to females, hence he is possible an MK rape subject. Lots of these post WW2 kids, both nordic and south american, got raped and fragmented, Mengele style, as the Nazis continued pahse two of their world-screw. Recall of course that Joseph Mengele, one of the worst humans of the 20th century, lived a nice long life and had people protecting him. Mengele lived to see Israel become nuclear, he lived longer than JFK and swam in the ocean every day, dying as a contented old man.

So the world is designed to produce damaged adults like this guy, and nobody really wants to research the roots of it, like you said, reading and thinking is tedious. And dealing with hurt from the past, is just not our way, as Earthlings.

Originally posted by micpsi
It's a suicide mission.

That's another thing I want to know. Why didn't he kill himself once he was finished? Most of these 'rampage types' usually do.

Anders said he planed this attack for 9 years.
I think that there are 2 other people in the world that he is waiting for to execute an attack in their countries.

Something about his beliefs.
He says he is anti-multi-cultural
but aren't all Norwegians originally red-haired?

He says he is a nationalist.
So why did he murder children who were mostly white Norwegians?

He rattles on about Christianity but then goes on to say he is Darwinian.

I think we're seeing a very conflicted guy here. His god-parents were Socialists.

Originally posted by ren1999
but aren't all Norwegians originally red-haired?

No, not all of them. The majority of Scandinavians were originally blonde, but some had red hair too.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by SFA437
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I could pull this off in downtown Manhattan with a budget of 8 grand- most of which would go to ammonium nitrate fertilizer and 150 gallons or so of diesel.

Which you would put into your car?!?

Can you cite an example of a lone individual who has carried out an attack similar to the one in Oslo, unassisted? I can't think of one myself.

Apparently exploding bullets were used. I'm no ballistics expert, but is it possible that exploding bullets were used to foil ballistics tests that might otherwise be used to determine how many shooters there were?

Any home handyman knows that it is easy to say, "I could do this or I could do that", but actually doing these sorts of things is usually much trickier and more time consuming than first realized.

This might be the act of a lone individual but I hope that the police in Oslo are taking a very careful look at everything and not taking that for granted.

I would not use a car. I would use at the very least 3000 pounds highly sensitized ANFO with an acetylene booster and a series of blasting caps initiated with kryton switches in a panel van or U-Haul type truck. Of course I could make some pentaerythritol trinitrate which could be put into a car to produce the same effects but obtaining precursor chemicals would throw up some red flags (although I could go to Mexico and buy it) where fertilizer can be bought/stolen over a period of years.

The shooting people would be the easy part. Madison Square Garden, any sport stadium or the best choice a rock concert where the noise of the music would disguise the sound of the shots to a good degree. I use these examples as there is no tiny island jammed to the rafters with 700 people with no avenue of escape.

As for exploding bullets- the closet one can come is a .50 M20 APIT designed primarily to be shot from the M2 Browning heavy machinegun and even that does not explode but is an incendiary round. They might have this fantasy item on Halo or Call of Duty but not in the real world.

Some dumbass redneck types have filled hollowpoint cavities with lead azide in order to get the round to detonate on impact with moderate success however this only works on hard targets such as a steel plate. Makes for a nice show with puffs of smoke upon impact. If it were used against soft tissue the round might or might not detonate. If it does not you're ruined a good hollowpoint round that will now act as a ball round. If it does the lead azide explosion actually prevents penetration of the round and the creation of a significant wound channel.

There were some gimmick cartridges back in the 80's sold in blister packs of 6 for 12 bucks. I recall them in .22, .38, and .45. The .38s were standard Winchester silvertips with a pistol primer glued into the hollowpoint cavity.

In regards to the Norway gunman I hear he was using XRBR round. Super duper deadly and only issued to the Illuminati's own ninja assassin regiments and only used when it would advance Zionist causes!

XRBR Manufacturer
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Upon striking the body of your target, a rabid badger is unleashed through a process that involves a lot of really hard to understand math and physics calculations, and possibly some magic. The resulting stopping power goes beyond devastating, and is actually completely unable to be measured. In every ballistic test conducted, the badger ate the gelatin block, and then quickly turned on the testers.

My cores use very expensive laboratory grade badgers that are 99.9% pure, and 100% insane with rabies.

The shock of a rabid badger bursting from a teammate's body and then going totally nuts adds a psychological warfare element unmatched by any other ammunition maker in the industry today. To further enhance this, I took a cue from the A-10 Warthog, and painted a scary face on each and every round.

Already in use by Elite Team Fighting and many other highly trained special operations forces around the world, XRBR rounds represent the zenith in small arms ammunition technology. Get yours today!

FOX News has reported that the new casualty count is at 76. They also reported that behind closed doors, Breivik stated that 2 more cells exist in his organization.

One of the key points of this loon's manifesto, is that "suicidal humanism" is the real third enemy, in his confused mind.

That's an important point, when considering this tragedy, which will surely be used like a tramploine, to propel even worse reactions. So the people who are anti-human, love this guy, and they love him perfectly stupid, as he is.

His stupidity, is manifest, in his idea that being human, is suicidal. You see? He mentions in his rant, that "suicidal antihumans" aka "hippies", are really the "real" problem. So how can he ever dig his way out, of his scared and confused little mind?

When you feel that being human, is the worst thing, then what hope is there for you? So really, he is a reflection of this political world, and the key point of both Christians, Marxists, Muslims, Atheist, Capitalist, etc, etc is that they all agree that the hippies are the real problem.

Ha! It's perfect that people are divorced from humanity itself, and decent human relations, thanks to -isms and evil memery. Take a look at this fool and understand how his lack of humanity, is a programmed script, that backs a lot of political anarchists and similar lonely girlfriend-less dudes, into the dark recesses of their own little minds. No really guys, try to reject Marx, by being human. It is not suicide to be human, and to be kind. what kind of diseased mind would think that? It takes years to build up such a false buffer from reality as that.

Hmmm... Twenty dollars says he will be diagnosed with schizophrenia.

(1) Believes he is apart of an old medieval organization.
(2) Believes he has some sort of self importance.
(3) Believes his actions will lead to something epic.

Delusions of grandeur, messenger of God, and flat affect.

If you pay attention to his emotional state, the killer does not seem to portray any empathy.

We may not be looking at someone with a religious or political agenda.

His motivations could be lead by a mental disorder.

Originally posted by Section31
Hmmm... Twenty dollars says he will be diagnosed with schizophrenia.

(1) Believes he is apart of an old medieval organization.
(2) Believes he has some sort of self importance.
(3) Believes his actions will lead to something epic.

Delusions of grandeur, messenger of God, and flat affect.

He definitely shows signs of high functioning schizophrenia.

Good post

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It makes you likely racist, because if you are quick and easy to stereotype someone based on the religion the follow then you are likely to do the same based on other criteria.
That's why I said it makes you certainly prejudiced and likely racist.

I do not trust any media stories, any government or faction.

As usual, when there's big news about big people or organisations there always seems to be, all of a sudden a counteractive story which distracts from the other story.

Recent facebook, diary of plans etc......there always seems to be some ''oh well that proves it, a crazy person!'' type of convenient proof and surely if a person hates Muslims and their ruling government then they wouldn't be 'doing time' for the damage to their fellow citizens, they would be doing it to those they hate, ie. Muslims and government. That would have more impact to their cause.

If you hated bananas you wouldn't throw the oranges out the fruit bowl instead!

I have pondered the question and while I can offer no proof of anything, I will add to the discussion by providing my honest opinion about this question no one wants to ask.

To begin with, many survivors reported that they saw a man dressed in a police uniform with a gun shooting at victims. While this observation from the many witnesses is correct with regard to the description that fits the Norway shooter, I also feel that those reports of a man in uniform and a gun could have been a team of men, each dressed alike and carrying a gun so as to intentionally appear as who the shooter would eventually be taking credit for the killings.

Such a team of men would not be acting law enforcement, they would be in fact the same law enforcement team that when the killing was done, would then stage the capture of the killer without any shots being taken or the shooter killing himself.

Something from the moment I read this thread made me think that perhaps the team of law enforcement that captured him was in fact the rest of the killing team that committed all the deaths. While I am in way trying to say that the shooter didn't kill anyone, I am saying that I and others contend that there is no way any one man with a gun could kill so many by himself. This is why multiple shooters would have had to be present.

A law enforcement officer is most likely these days to be in a Masonic organization and while that proves nothing, I contend that the capture of the killer without a fight is indicative if not suspicious that perhaps those that captured him are part of the rest of the killing team sent to perform this action like good military mind controlled subjects.

There is without a doubt many areas that require in depth investigation, but for the most part I think that the guys that arrested him were merely switching hats as part of the grand staged event they are a part of.

I will even go so far as to say that mind controlled technologies could be in use here, but in my book those that captured him could be the rest of the team and what really concerns me is what comes next.

This whole event is detailed, complex and coordinated, so in no way do I think the killer acted alone and in no way do I think that this event is over. I think we have just seen the opening curtain to some future operation that just kicked off and is awaiting a return of critical data and timing before moving into the next phase of this black operation.

Being captured alive and without a struggle or shot being fired is suspicious and now you know why I think that.

Thanks for the thread and thanks for taking the time to share a concern through open and free discussion. It is in my opinion how ideas are expressed and with discussion exchanged that allows other to perhaps think a different thought from the normal. Thanks again.

agreed no body calls it christian extremit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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yes it would though....not that there aren't any, but if one were to 'invent' such a 'terrorist' one would create a schizophrenic profile with all the boxes ticked.

Just because the boxes are ticked doesn't mean a person wasn't pushed into such behaviour or circumstances manipulated to look like such a condition.

Think MKUltra and other stooges.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/51021214d57e.jpg[/atsimg]You Earth people glorified organized violence for forty centuries. But you imprison those who employ it privately.

Originally posted by Section31
Hmmm... Twenty dollars says he will be diagnosed with schizophrenia.

(1) Believes he is apart of an old medieval organization.
(2) Believes he has some sort of self importance.
(3) Believes his actions will lead to something epic.

Delusions of grandeur, messenger of God, and flat affect.

If you pay attention to his emotional state, the killer does not seem to portray any empathy.

We may not be looking at someone with a religious or political agenda.

His motivations could be lead by a mental disorder.

edit on 7/25/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

I would take you up on that bet if I could. I see no evidence of psychotic symptoms. If anything he is a common psychopath.

You guys are nuts - he said he wanted to be taken alive so he could stand trial and have a platform to explain his actions. On a small island you'd just have to shoot a bunch of rounds in a general direction and given the power and distance they can travel it's not uprising he hit so many people. I bet with a standard ar15 and a bunch of 100 round beta c mags you could pop off 300+ rounds before anyone really understood what was going on or where the shoots were coming from.

In a just world they would convict him seconds before tossing him into a tree shredder.

Originally posted by circuitsports
You guys are nuts - he said he wanted to be taken alive so he could stand trial and have a platform to explain his actions. On a small island you'd just have to shoot a bunch of rounds in a general direction and given the power and distance they can travel it's not uprising he hit so many people. I bet with a standard ar15 and a bunch of 100 round beta c mags you could pop off 300+ rounds before anyone really understood what was going on or where the shoots were coming from.

In a just world they would convict him seconds before tossing him into a tree shredder.

The island is 26 acres. Obviously a small island, but that's still a large area full of many hiding places. Shooting off a bunch of rounds in a general direction full of people would obviously hit people but you would need to be a lucky shot to kill them. Besides, this is NOT what happened. He tricked people out of hiding and shot them making sure they were dead.

Disappeared from the news is the eyewitness accounts of a thick dark-haired second shooter not wearing a police uniform. He looked like he was one of the campers. A thick dark-haired camper was arrested on Saturday. This story has almost completely disappeared without any follow-up. Some report he is not connected. Well that's the same thing they're saying about this guy arrested today in a raid in Poland who sold chemicals to Breivik. Except he is connected, Breivik bought chemicals from him. The Polish guy is reported in Norwegian news as being treated as guilty by association. Polish news says they are treating him as a witness. There is no consistency in these reports.

People questioning the official story are not nuts. The official story of a van bomb loaded with a bomb made of grain might be partially true but that entire city block was blown up. There is evidence of multiple explosions, probably made from these chemicals. Who laid them out? The cops working on the bomb drill 48 hours prior to the bombing? The mysterious 'sewer workers' the day before the bombing who were 'working' in that area?

What evidence links Breivik to the bombing anyways? NOTHING. A person who claims to have seen him driving in a van? Breivik's confession? Breivik is a psychopath, he isn't going to tell the truth. The police don't even believe him. He doesn't have a political message he wants to get out, they silenced him today in fear of national security. Because he might be saying something in code that an external group can decipher. Why does Britain have a terror alert for traveling to Norway?

If you've ever personally dealt with the media, even local news, you will see how they twist and manipulate facts to make a story. When they don't have a story they make things up. Like the initial blaming of Muslims. Breivik did not act alone, not possible. This is the work of a an organized group. If you believe the MSM unconditionally well you're probably hopeless and no sense arguing. Not talking about tinfoil hats or UFOs. Talking about critical thinking and analysis of the truth. This story stinks. A lot of young people died and there are likely more people out there responsible for it not being brought to justice.

The PCCTS thing is a joke. It was taken from a hoax website created by a Netherlands-based anon forum. He isn't a "knights templar" but he IS a third degree master mason. How come nobody is talking to his Freemason masonic lodge buddies?

Domestic terrorism meant to instill fear, freemasonry, hmm.... Norway is a NATO country. Is Gladio still operating? Whose agenda did this serve? The Neocon and Zionist agenda of course. Israel had a motive. They blamed Muslims at first and then a Christian. Nobody ever blames 'the jooooos' but they're everywhere. They're investigating 9/11 and 7/7 in the aftermath. The guys who control the MSM happen to be Jewish. These things always suit Israel's agenda above anything else and the MSM never blames them. This isn't anti-semitism. This SHOULD be common sense but nobody thinks for themselves anymore

Originally posted by coyote66

Originally posted by aboutface
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1 day before the incident, a local news tv here in indonesia was reporting about the group of girl scout to atend a intl. camp in norway. FYI all the girls came from a single and only province in indonesia, that got special autonomy to implement islamic law. the province of aceh, also nicknamed 'the front door of mecca' to indonesia

I find this interesting, if for nothing else than the timing. Has there been further comment about this, and if so, would you mind posting a link? Thanks.

im sorry but i wasnt able to find any link. i might have misheard, didnt think it was important that time. this is embarasing

but i found many links saying about scoutcamps in sweden. maybe i realy overheard.

the station that covered this is TV ONE. often considered as the most propaganda oriented tv station in my country.

I find it interesting that the tv network in the following link posted an article that to me smacks of contrived news. Or is it? what do we know of the victims? Not that it changes the insanity of it all though. I'm only wondering about it from a propaganda perspective victims were immigrant children (?)