The Norway massacre and the question nobody cares to ask

reply to post by DarylHamblett


Good point! They vilify the Norwegian attacker and rightfully so, but when NATO attacks other countries and kills millions of innocent people on a pack of lies, the majority of people worship them as heroes. It's a truly sick & twisted world we live in.

reply to post by circuitsports


If it's that easy to kill so many people, then why haven't we seen more attacks from Al-Queda or Islamic extremists throughout Europe. After all, the media keeps telling us that these extremists want us dead, so what are they waiting for? Like the attack in Norway, you would think these types of atrocities would be a common event if the media propaganda is anything to go by.

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by rowingcrazy

 

Yes a lone psycho, who,

over a period of several months singlehandedly, purchased several tons of ANFO ( ammonium nitrate/fuel oil), planted the 200 pound Bomb out side the gas and oil ministry in Oslo. Left the place like grease lightning an dlanded on the island of political elite youth in Norway, gunned down singeldhandely, over 90 teens who could have runned away from him. But no. this guy was everywhere, behind every tree shooting down everyone and then by some miracle, the Norwegian SUPERSWAT team invisibly landed on the island. Sneaked up behind him and arrested him on the spot while he was slaughtering the future politcal elite of Norway. Now thats a guy any clendestine three letter organization would hire instantly on the spot. This guy makes James Bond look like a lame duck.

Trust me. we have a black op here. The real purpose yet to be revealed, if ever.

edit on 23-7-2011 by johncarter because: (no reason given)

Come on mate... get real..... I swear people need to stop looking for conspiracy in everything.. starting to drive me mad..... some things actually do happen fo rthe reasons given you know.... not everything that happens is some government plan to steal your breakfast cereal and control your socks....

Ok, so, yes... the guy did single handedly buy a load of fertilizer... using the farm he owned as a cover... seems very plausable.... yes, he did plant rhe bomb.... again, nothing implausable about that..... I wouldn't say he left like "grease lightning".... if you read all the information out there you will see that there was actually a substantial delay between the bomb detonation and the first reports of shooting on the island.... so again, completely plausable... "Gunned down over 90 teens who could have runned away from him"..... apart from the appalling use of grammar there are a few things wrong with this statement.... Firstly, it was only 68, secondly, they did run... but they were on an island..... difficult to know where to go when you reach the water.... a lot of them swam, and were shot in the water as they tried to escape.....He wasn't "everywhere", "behind every tree".... stop making stupid idiotic comments and exagerating to try and prove your already flawed point..... he had an hour and a half to stalk people on the island before SWAT arrived.... there are other threads attempting to explain the delay... personally I believe the norwegian police were just not geared up or prepared for this or any similar scenario..... their response was sluggish yeah... but considering a bomb had just gone off in Oslo outside government buildings, you can understand the confusion and delay, only natural... What is this miracle that you speak of??? A SUPERSWAT team "invisibly" landing on the island... come on.... please, be serious..... they were ferried to the island on a boat....... did you miss that bit?? This is what it is mate........ a horrible act of betrayal perpertrated against a wonderfull community of young idealistic people on a holiday island, and your ridiculous claims only aim to belittle the pain felt by their already devastated families....

Please.... have a word...
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Originally posted by amy2x
He was programed to Kill. They just said the code word and he willingly gave himself up.

Who is "they"? The police? Perhaps this guy was programmed, who knows, but if you're implying that it was the police who said the "code-word", then wouldn't that mean all the police officers would have to be involved in the conspiracy too? Surely TPTB wouldn't trust a bunch of peasant police officers with such sensitive information... how could they be so sure that one of them wouldn't blow the whistle?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Xaphan

 

It makes you likely racist, because if you are quick and easy to stereotype someone based on the religion the follow then you are likely to do the same based on other criteria.
That's why I said it makes you certainly prejudiced and likely racist.

No, I'm not likely to do the same based on other criteria. Disliking religion and being racist are two entirely different things. Your argument is still invalid. That's like one person saying "Man, I can't stand rap music." and someone replying with "Well you must hate black people then!"

See what I'm saying? Disliking the religions that people follow does not equate to disliking the ethnicity of the people who follow them.

Not to mention that I was actually raised in an anti-racist household, where saying anything that could be remotely construed as racist would have earned me a swift smack across the face.

Here are some important updates.

The body count has been adjusted to 76 so far.

Marcel Gleffe, a German tourist, saved 30 kids.

A Norwegian man named Helge saved 4 kids.

The security guard in charge of protecting the kids on the island was unarmed and ineffective.

Norwegian Princess Mette Marit's stepbrother Trond Berntsen was murdered by Anders as he shielded kids from the shots.

reply to post by ren1999


Only ONE unarmed security guy in charge of all those kids?

reply to post by PerfectAnomoly


I agree with everything you say, but I have heard everywhere that he shot 85 on the island plus there are 4 or 5 missing and then 7 were blown up.

Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by circuitsports

If it's that easy to kill so many people, then why haven't we seen more attacks from Al-Queda or Islamic extremists throughout Europe. After all, the media keeps telling us that these extremists want us dead, so what are they waiting for? Like the attack in Norway, you would think these types of atrocities would be a common event if the media propaganda is anything to go by.

That is an excellent question. How many people have died (excluding 9/11) because of a terrorist attack (anywhere outside the middle Eastern countries that have been invaded)? More people die from accidents in their own home.

Look, we all know we don't live in a bubble. Shxx happens! Aberrant human behavior like this causes crime. Insurance companies make lots of money by covering bets on mortality. How many people have died from other causes like starvation, disease, transportation accidents, etc.? If you were the President or PM of a country, what would be the most practical efficient way to spend BILLIONS to save human lives? What individual responsibility do people have to protect themselves from a threat?

The expansion of government control to take away your freedom in order to protect you from a low probability threat is not acceptable IMHO. That is why the false flag threats have to continue. People seem to feel more reassured if their fear factor and personal freedom is reduced through government action. There are NO guarantees!

What would be the fatality count if all those people on the island rushed the guy before he could reload? People have to take their own action when they can instead of relying on the government to solve the problem.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by ren1999

 

Only ONE unarmed security guy in charge of all those kids?

How many armed to the teeth SWAT cops are in charge of Boy Scout or soccer camps?

First of all my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone that has been involved in such a terrible act. I have not been able to keep up with everything but my thoughts are this from what I have read in your posts.

1. It is possible to accomplish such a deed with one man. Look at the Fort Hood shooting 12 were killed and 30 wounded and THIS was on a military instillation.

2. May have been covered already but. My gut tells me the bomb was a distraction. I would like to know more about the children. I believe they were the real targets. What a sick world we live in!

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Thanks for your kind words... The total was revised yesterday I think, to 68 on the island and 8 in Oslo. I think someone posted it earlier in the thread.

PA

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Originally posted by amy2x
He was programed to Kill. They just said the code word and he willingly gave himself up.

Yes. But the subject is taboo, the idea of drugging and raping so as to create a fractured human with multiple personalities. These subjects are more painful than discussing murder, you see? This disease, is global, and deep, and generational. The dis-ease I speak of, is when we are hurt internally, and that hurt is directed externally, like this shooter. The trigger, was his only outlet for all that has been done to him. Eventually we will have to take a good honest look at ourselves, the human race.

As some kind of tiny-step forward toward a painful mountain of globo-shame, I suggest a national and global discussion of the book "A Fractured Mind: My Life with Multiple Personality Disorder" by Robert B. Oxnam. I have said this elsewhere in the Internet. We need to remove the shills who won't let the discussion about fractured minds proceed. These MK kids are now adults and they are drug and info couriers and assassins. It is time to stop being children, all you so called "adults".

"A Fractured Mind: My Life with Multiple Personality Disorder" by Robert B. Oxnam

edit on 25-7-2011 by smallpeeps because: link fix

I have read a lot on this subject, and I like your post.

Thank you.

reply to post by PerfectAnomoly


No prob.
But the death toll is up from that.

The 2011 Norway attacks were twin terrorist attacks against the civilian population, the government and a political summer camp in Norway on Friday, 22 July 2011. The first was a bomb explosion in Regjeringskvartalet, the executive government quarter of Oslo, at 15:22 (CEST),[5] outside the office of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and other government buildings.[6] The explosion killed seven people and wounded several others. The second attack occurred less than two hours later at a youth camp organized by the youth organization (AUF) of the Norwegian Labour Party (AP) on the island of Utøya in Tyrifjorden, Buskerud. An armed gunman disguised as a policeman opened fire at the campers, killing at least 86 attendees,[7][8][9] including personal friends of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and the stepbrother of Norway's crown princess Mette-Marit,[10] in what is believed to be the deadliest mass shooting by a single gunman in history.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by SevenStarrz
I have read a lot on this subject, and I like your post.

Thank you.

You are welcome!

I feel that this idea of fragmented people, is the key to deciphering all the human codes, and all the spycraft. And this confused murderer, seems to be a prime candidate for an investigation into his childhood and all children in nordic lands that may have been subjected to Mengele or "Dr Green" type programming, as the fringe material explains. That is to say, if one reads Oxnam's book, one must ask "How did this man have MultiPersonDisorder and still act as a diplomat and most trusted courier?" He, in his book, explains what a struggle it is, for these fragmented humans, to gain back their wholeness. It is an amazing testimony, but do we believe testimony anymore, in a world full of lies? Even if you read the information, all are free to disbelieve it, but hopefully we can then understand why some people are duplicitious and maintain compartmented personalities inside themselves. It is really unfortunate that being integrated, as a person, is not really a value in today's world. People are rewarded for fragmenting themselves and concealing themselves. But I think eventually, we can work toward understanding the general damage which has been done, generationally, to young humans.

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Originally posted by SevenStarrz
I have read a lot on this subject, and I like your post.

Thank you.

You are welcome!

I feel that this idea of fragmented people, is the key to deciphering all the human codes, and all the spycraft. And this confused murderer, seems to be a prime candidate for an investigation into his childhood and all children in nordic lands that may have been subjected to Mengele or "Dr Green" type programming, as the fringe material explains. That is to say, if one reads Oxnam's book, one must ask "How did this man have MultiPersonDisorder and still act as a diplomat and most trusted courier?" He, in his book, explains what a struggle it is, for these fragmented humans, to gain back their wholeness. It is an amazing testimony, but do we believe testimony anymore, in a world full of lies? Even if you read the information, all are free to disbelieve it, but hopefully we can then understand why some people are duplicitious and maintain compartmented personalities inside themselves. It is really unfortunate that being integrated, as a person, is not really a value in today's world. People are rewarded for fragmenting themselves and concealing themselves. But I think eventually, we can work toward understanding the general damage which has been done, generationally, to young humans.

I agree. It's an incredibly complex subject, and this type of programming extends almost worldwide, perpetrated by many different organizations and Govts, from what I have read on the topic.

This latest massacre bears all the hallmarks, in my opinion, of programming. It continues. Maybe one day the truth will emerge, and the subjects will be healed. But who knows when that will be?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I wouldn't trust Wikipedia... Here.. Latest bulletin.. names have been released...

www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


In fact, this is slightly more detailed!

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by johncarter
I am in Scandinavia right now(Sweden) and as I follow this drama in Norway, I ask myself the most natural question no journalist has written about , how exactly was this psychopath, loaded with ak5:s, tons of ammo, and a whopping 90 lives on his conscience arrested?

Not a word . Complete silence. What? Did a cop just walk over to him and shouted, halt you are arrested in the name of justice? Did a SWAT team get him? Alive?!!! This guy just massacred over 90 ppl. Not a chance he would just hand over himself alive to the police. The sentence for terrorist acts in Norway is 21 years minimum!


Sources:

Largets paper in Norway Verdens Gang (Verdens Gang)

Largets national tv channel; NRK


I smell a rat here.


Geopolitically Norway has been a nuisance for the TPTB for decades, due to its enormous wealth and complete lack of national debt. They are anti-israeli and declared recently that they support a palestenian state and have withdraw any and all support of Israel.

The current OP in Norway is executed by a minumum team of two to three persons. Not one. Those here with a certain military experience can easily see how impossible it would be to execute this entire operation singlehandedly.

Whats also interesting is that it came just in time with the current Murdoch fever in Brittish press. Suddenly its all silence there and all news only about this. Very convenient if you ask me.

Like 911 this dreadful occurence has in a way disabled peoples ability to think critically and ask the necessary questions behind the deed. Who benefits from this? Why now? What syncronicitydo we see with other geopolitical/economic issues?

edit on 23-7-2011 by johncarter because: (no reason given)

This is one of the best threads I've read in a long time on ATS, John Carter you deserve a medal, when I see intelligence like this I find it very reassuring

reply to post by jameshawkings


u know now that u mention it,, they showed helicopter video of him shooting children,,but not the arrest,,the helicopters were already there????

Twitter it some of the kids will have it on there cell phone,,

Also my sympathy ,and appoligies
to the new generation
for not being a better older generation.

Ive heard there was Royal Blood, spilt? true?