The Norway massacre and the question nobody cares to ask

I noticed that the start of the event was 15:30 (9) on 07-22 (11) (9+1+1=11) a feast in honor of Mary Magdalene. And there are as of today 92 (11) killed. Coincidence? Maybe... Reading the manifest he published will take a while, but i think it is worth the time. You can read his argument for killing the youth, they could be a future politician for his enemy political party.

reply to post by johncarter


Well my heart goes out to the families and the Norwegian people and I hope you find all those who are responsible for this sick & twisted atrocity and give them a taste of their own medicine.

Originally posted by starchild10
By his own admission he had been planning this for years. He had the means for the bomb ie farm fertilizer. And yes we now have the account of how he did indeed surrender to the police. Not a rational act but nor was what he did. In his own head, he is 'innocent'.
I think it is quite possible he did indeed plan and execute this himself. You can be mad, bad AND intelligent you know?

i dont buy this. what r u sugesting? that he came from a multi-generational incest family?

i mean, how sick and systematical can people - do u think - be at the same time? is it even possible? i mean in real life, not just like playing a video game..

u have to try it ur self, because in my known, in real life, ur instinct will jump in when making decisions like this. norm breaking decisions. ur logic will just automaticaly reason all the consequences u have to bear afterwards. am i correct or is it just me?

in my assumption, a well thorough brainwashed hitman/special force wud be the most plausible candidate... just thinking out loud.

i mean anyone, as a kid, could had a bad day and thoughts about massacering the entire town. but u have to be realy depressed to be timothy mcveigh! and then, even he in the end did apoligized for the causalties he has caused! u just to try it ur self to understand it, how it is to make no mistake in doing a bodycount nearing 3 digits, and than to surrender just like that!!

Originally posted by Moxiaty

Originally posted by tyfon
reply to post by fooks

 

He will probably get 21 years and after that the court can sentence him to 10 years in custody at the time after that if they deam him a danger to society. I don't think he will ever be let out again. he will be charged by straffelovens (criminal law) § 147a which carries the maximum sentence of 21 years.

If he gets maximum, which i hope; he will get 7665 days in jail where everyone knows what he did, the most pathetic thing; killing children, I hope he gets what he deserves on the inside, and when he comes out he comes out to a Norway that doesnt want him or like him. He will never have a life again. Sadly he is a complete maniac so he will never understand this. My hope is that he one day wakes up from his own brainwashing and hatred and understand what he did on Utøya.

so he will be 53 and you HOPE no one will like him?

are you people serious?

lolololol, sorry, you poor people are screwed.

kill him!!!!!!!!


eta; he didn't seem to have a problem with killing people.

some latest news tells that he wrote a powerpoint movie about why he did the massacre. he say he is sort of a Templar and he is out to get the Muslim out of Norway. he also wanted to publish a book for it.

right now people will refer to him as national traitor (folkeforæder) on Norwegian.and most say it was a act of terror.

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"Whats also interesting is that it came just in time with the current Murdoch fever in Brittish press. Suddenly its all silence there and all news only about this. Very convenient if you ask me."

This statement caught my attention and I think it is a possibility ... but I also wonder if anyone on here has taken the time and looked at other events that could fit this line of "distraction." Are there other events in history where something was going on that was very newsworthy and TPTB created a distraction to get the attention away from them.
One quick example that comes to mind is Rumsfeld stating that there were trillions of dollars unaccounted for from the defense department and then within no time 9/11 goes down and this fact was lost to the masses as having ever occurred.

I'd like to see someone start a thread that followed this line of thinking as it seems very plausible.

Originally posted by grapeian
reply to post by TheThirdAdam

 

So you are saying, that any of us could buy the needed material to create a bomb, build the bomb and then park it near the Prime Minister's building, dress up like a cop and go and shoot 85 people, if not more.

I think you have misunderstood me completely. I was actually compairing the PM's building to the WH in refference to the very high security measures taken in order to our nations leaders protected from incidents such as these. In no way was I implying that you could just as easily pull into the PM's building as you would a common rest area. And no I was not saying that anyone who would be so inclined could have pulled this off. The point that I was trying to make was that if security was even half as sophisticated in Norway as it is here, he would have had to have had a lot of help in doing this, and he really did go it alone, then the man must be genious to be able to successfully carry out this operation alone.

I actually assumed that security in Oslo would probably be greater or at very least equivelant to what I have seen in Washington DC... This assumption based on the seemingly higher level of security that I have noticed in during my very limited travel in Europe.

You are comparing this to America, well I am sorry to break it to you - but Norway or any other Scandinavian country for that matter, is NOTHING alike the US when it comes to infrastructure and security matters. This is nothing like parking a car bomb close to the white house and then going off to the private school of Obama's children and shoot things up. Nothing alike, whatsoever.

I have never been to Norway, but I didn't think that they shared a great many cultural simillarities. I was only saying that I am sure that you care about and do your very best to protect your PM... Also I am sure that a great deal of effort is put into protecting the famillies of Norway's national leaders as well. Hence, my belief that the killings in the youth camp were also not as easy as it was portrayed by the media.

What he did was what any intellectual psychopathic individual could do with enough time to plan, acquire materials and then execute the plan. Nobody was onto him, nobody knew it was going to happen - therefore he had no rush, no sloppy work was done and that is the reason why he succeeded in his psychopathic cause.

By this, do you mean that he could have just been insane? I highly doubt that. Sociopath? Yeah maybe, but not with reason or wits...

I do agree that there might be something more in the works here, there always are, regardless of the event/ disaster/ war. Everybody has secret agendas, even you and if you deny that, you deny human nature.

ido not think that I have ever agreed more on any statement. We are all either in persuit of or running from something. Whether you are a priest, politician, doctor, lawyer, ect... there is something that you want out of whatever you are doing in life, no human being can trully be selfless in public service. This is the prime reason that i find it hard trust any gov't.

US posters, even many UK posters, what you must understand is that Norway does not have CCTV everywhere, they do not have police dispatched on every single street corner (exaggeration) and they do not have as successful terror squads or intelligence as the US or UK does.

Now I'm confused... So there is or isn't adequate security?
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We are a union of countries that relies too much on the positive in people, I am not speaking about issues of war, criminals, but terror. We have been targeted for many years as top priority targets by terrorist organizations and the intelligence organizations have prevented any foreign terrorist attacks, what one cannot predict is the cause of action of ones own.

I agree with your last sentance, and it sickens me to think of how this tragedy will almost certainly be exploited

Originally posted by gremlin2011
reply to post by Master_007

 

we are all tired of immigration but no way in hell would i kill my fellow brits for it

shudnt he of went after the ones he protesting against

You are one of the sickest person I have ever met, but you still don't know yourself.
Please release your full anger and don't hide yourself on your keyboard.

My heart goes out to the families of the victims and the people of Norway.

But, when I first heard of this one of the first questions that popped into my mind was:

They have political youth camps in Norway? What is that all about? Indoctrinating the youth to be sheeple?

reply to post by tsawyer2


Norway is a freedomloving people. They believe strongly in free speech and the individuals right to the truth at whatever price. These youth camps was a gathering of teens exhanging polictical ideas and training to debate. Much a good platform for a future in politics or how to further take the rudder over a nation that prides itself to promote good business, free speech, a sound press and peaceful interactions with its neighbours. That is at least my picture of this nation on my travels around Scandinavia.

Btw. just saw the Norwegian King Haakon cry in church as the prime minister Stoltenberg mumbled something about having his friends shot on that island. When a nation sees its much beloved King and queen cry on Live TV over a deed like this I can assure you that they will not spare any resources to arrest the rest of the criminals behind this deed. And Norway is a very very rich nation. You make out the rest.

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by tsawyer2

 

Norway is a freedomloving people. They believe strongly in free speech and the individuals right to the truth at whatever price. These youth camps was a gathering of teens exhanging polictical ideas and training to debate. Much a good platform for a future in politics or how to further take the rudder over a nation that prides itself to promote good business, free speech, a sound press and peaceful interactions with its neighbours. That is at least my picture of this nation on my travels around Scandinavia.

Btw. just saw the Norwegian King Haakon cry in church as the prime minister Stoltenberg mumbled something about having his friends shot on that island. When a nation sees its much beloved King and queen cry on Live TV over a deed like this I can assure you that they will not spare any resources to arrest the rest of the criminals behind this deed. And Norway is a very very rich nation. You make out the rest.

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OK that makes sense, I just read the words "Political Youth Camp" and it brought to mind North Korea and the former Soviet Union.

I have always had a good time with the Norwegians I have met.

Methinks the relatively minimum damage done to the Oslo building from this fertilizer bomb confirms suspicions there was more than one bomb at the OKC Murrah Building which was completely obliterated.

reply to post by FedSen


Yes interesting isnt it.

But also take this into account. Norway's Ministry of Finance announced that the Norway Oil Fund divested from Africa-Israel Investments and Danya Cebus Ltd. on Monday. So somone bombs the Norwegian Oil ministry in Oslo. errr doesnt that ring a bell?

The official reason given is the companies' construction in the West Bank.

The Norwegian Finance Ministry said, "The ethics council stresses that construction of settlements in the occupied territories violates the decision of the Geneva convention regarding defense of civilians during war time. Several decisions of the UN Security Council and the International Court of Justice have reached the conclusion that construction of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories is prohibited.

Basically they said to the Israelis; Sorry. No more money. # off. So the Israelis returned their own "# off" in their special Mossad stylish way. At least that is a possibility worth pondering. If true I believe the Norwegians will soon return the "favour" in a very sophisticated way that will cost the Israelis hugely.

reply to post by fooks


In Norway we have something called "forvaring" (earlier known as "sikring"); that is:

(wiki):

detention period added after a prison sentence for reasons of public safety

Preventive detention is, in contrast to prison; for an unspecified period of time.

He will probably be put in solitude confinement at a psychiatric ward, with the possibility too apply for a (denied) transfer to prison after ten and twenty years. After sixteen years he will be chemically zombified enough to be transferred to a "normal" institution where he'll be drooling and filling diapers for four years until he dies from malnutrition.

reply to post by nakiel


wow, thats pretty cool, still think a 21 gun salute is in order,

aimed at him of course,

rip people.

Originally posted by johncarter
I am in Scandinavia right now(Sweden) and as I follow this drama in Norway, I ask myself the most natural question no journalist has written about , how exactly was this psychopath, loaded with ak5:s, tons of ammo, and a whopping 90 lives on his conscience arrested?

Not a word . Complete silence. What? Did a cop just walk over to him and shouted, halt you are arrested in the name of justice? Did a SWAT team get him? Alive?!!! This guy just massacred over 90 ppl. Not a chance he would just hand over himself alive to the police. The sentence for terrorist acts in Norway is 21 years minimum!


Sources:

Largets paper in Norway Verdens Gang (Verdens Gang)

Largets national tv channel; NRK


I smell a rat here.


Geopolitically Norway has been a nuisance for the TPTB for decades, due to its enormous wealth and complete lack of national debt. They are anti-israeli and declared recently that they support a palestenian state and have withdraw any and all support of Israel.

The current OP in Norway is executed by a minumum team of two to three persons. Not one. Those here with a certain military experience can easily see how impossible it would be to execute this entire operation singlehandedly.

Whats also interesting is that it came just in time with the current Murdoch fever in Brittish press. Suddenly its all silence there and all news only about this. Very convenient if you ask me.

Like 911 this dreadful occurence has in a way disabled peoples ability to think critically and ask the necessary questions behind the deed. Who benefits from this? Why now? What syncronicitydo we see with other geopolitical/economic issues?

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Ok, you don't know what you're talking about.. I live in Oslo, Norway. There's no maximum jail time, even if it says 21 you can sit your whole life if the authorities sees it necessary... So no, he will be rotting in jail for more than 21 years.. As for the arrest of the gunman. He used up all he's amo, and gave up as soon the Delta Force got on the island..
Most likely he did the massacre alone, and has been observed both places.. It was two hours between the attacks, so he had enough time to get himself over to Utøya which is 40 minutes by car form Oslo. The rifle he used is legal to own and use to hunt with. He has said in he's diary that he wanted to do it alone, because more people mean more risk in getting caught before the attacks. He leased a farm some three hours outside Oslo, from there he ordered 6 tons fertilizer through he's fake company "Breivik Geofarm", He made a successful test with a similar bomb in an unknown isolated place. This is not a conspiracy by some shaddow government crap, this is a horrific act carried out by a man who hates muslims and the immigration politics of the Labour party. Get your facts straight before posting..

All my thoughts are with the families of those injured and lost.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by aaa2500
He also refers to it as a third way. If you only look for left/right, he puts himself squarely on the right side, simply because the left already occupies the opposite side. In short he is opposed to the norwegian left and on a right/left scale that put's him on the right.

Errr, no, everything you just described puts him squarely in the political right., by definition.