The Norway massacre and the question nobody cares to ask

reply to post by Rising Against


funny you should say that....i remember 10 years ago when a certain incident occured. TPTB had names and life history of the 19 men responsible for that atrocity within mere hours. unscathed passports of certain men (some not even dead) within a couple of days. Amazing huh?

Originally posted by Kemal
reply to post by johncarter

 

True, plus, I wonder why no one calls him a "terrorist" or a "Christian extremist". Or have I missed something?

Because he isn't a Christian. Anyone who does this isn't a Christian. Anyone can call themself a Christian but it doesn't make it true. When atheists commit crimes do we link it to atheism?

reply to post by Miraj


i hear that "life" there is 21 yrs.

no death penalty. what do you think he will get?

reply to post by TheThirdAdam


So you are saying, that any of us could buy the needed material to create a bomb, build the bomb and then park it near the Prime Minister's building, dress up like a cop and go and shoot 85 people, if not more.

I disagree.

You are comparing this to America, well I am sorry to break it to you - but Norway or any other Scandinavian country for that matter, is NOTHING alike the US when it comes to infrastructure and security matters. This is nothing like parking a car bomb close to the white house and then going off to the private school of Obama's children and shoot things up. Nothing alike, whatsoever.

What he did was what any intellectual psychopathic individual could do with enough time to plan, acquire materials and then execute the plan. Nobody was onto him, nobody knew it was going to happen - therefore he had no rush, no sloppy work was done and that is the reason why he succeeded in his psychopathic cause.

I do not know if he had been anally probed by aliens and then told to make a stir, by murdering that many innocent youngsters, blowing up the central part of Oslo and then surrendering to the cops.

I do agree that there might be something more in the works here, there always are, regardless of the event/ disaster/ war. Everybody has secret agendas, even you and if you deny that, you deny human nature.
Some agendas are for the better of humanity, most are for greedy and self beneficial causes.

US posters, even many UK posters, what you must understand is that Norway does not have CCTV everywhere, they do not have police dispatched on every single street corner (exaggeration) and they do not have as successful terror squads or intelligence as the US or UK does.

We are a union of countries that relies too much on the positive in people, I am not speaking about issues of war, criminals, but terror. We have been targeted for many years as top priority targets by terrorist organizations and the intelligence organizations have prevented any foreign terrorist attacks, what one cannot predict is the cause of action of ones own.

Alien, illuminati, reptilian assassin or not - this man was a psychopath, was he a manchurian candidate? I doubt it. This is probably a huge pawn in some political game or secret society's rise to power or to enforce some laws that will result in even further diminishing personal freedom.

All my thoughts go out to the victims of this tragedy, as well to the victims in Libya, Syria, Sudan and ALL the other countries in crisis.


Peace & Love

and im not sure how to comprehend, if norwegian only numbering 5 mio. would kill among themselves only about imigrants issues.

they could have settle this by policy. i've never heard about imigrants with political right atributes. cmiiw.

and im not convinced norway people, no matter how liberal they might be, would have left their fellow country men behind over foreigner. its just natural, isnt it? especialy if u r numbered only like an average metropolitan city!

i hope im not sounding offensive

By his own admission he had been planning this for years. He had the means for the bomb ie farm fertilizer. And yes we now have the account of how he did indeed surrender to the police. Not a rational act but nor was what he did. In his own head, he is 'innocent'.
I think it is quite possible he did indeed plan and execute this himself. You can be mad, bad AND intelligent you know?

reply to post by fooks


According to Norwegian TV he is currently scheduled for a psycho evaluation before any further proceedings. In crimes of this caliber it is required by both sides of the bench.

He will get maximum sentence. Anything lesser will enrage the entire Norwegian nation. There are tidbits of info that several policemen and high rank businessmen and politicians had their children shot on that island, so thbe predominant theory (where I am now) is growing that he will not see a single day in court. But this info is still rumour so dont quote me on that one.

The interesting thing in all this and what very few speak of is that suddenly R. Murdoch (the ultra zionist) is off the hook. No light on this great monster/psychopath or his evil family. Nor does anyone seem to care that next week entire nations might crumble under the weight of economic defaults. All light is on Norway right now. Isnt this so well orchestrated. I mean, I even see many ATS members lapping up the current cover story about the sad misunderstood lone wolf.

It is sad but it also explains why the TPTB always get away with false flag ops. People can simply not understand pure evil executed by a group of likeminded. It is always better to accuse one man than a group of extremely powerful and depraved souls.

Thank you OP. Thought I admit I've learnt to see the conspiracy behind everything, as with 9/11 something about this massacre didn't and doesn't feel right to me. I've been ridiculed in other threads on this forum, and by friends in real life for suggesting so.

But just look at the photos... there's something 'glossy' and sinister about them. The eyes look almost non-human (though I don't mean to suggest he's a 'reptilian', just that it seems as though there may have been some photoshopping or manipulation). How many survivors saw him up close?

reply to post by fooks


He will probably get 21 years and after that the court can sentence him to 10 years in custody at the time after that if they deam him a danger to society. I don't think he will ever be let out again. he will be charged by straffelovens (criminal law) § 147a which carries the maximum sentence of 21 years.

Originally posted by johncarter
I am in Scandinavia right now(Sweden) and as I follow this drama in Norway, I ask myself the most natural question no journalist has written about , how exactly was this psychopath, loaded with ak5:s, tons of ammo, and a whopping 90 lives on his conscience arrested?

Not a word . Complete silence. What? Did a cop just walk over to him and shouted, halt you are arrested in the name of justice? Did a SWAT team get him? Alive?!!! This guy just massacred over 90 ppl. Not a chance he would just hand over himself alive to the police. The sentence for terrorist acts in Norway is 21 years minimum!


Sources:

Largets paper in Norway Verdens Gang (Verdens Gang)

Largets national tv channel; NRK


I smell a rat here.


Geopolitically Norway has been a nuisance for the TPTB for decades, due to its enormous wealth and complete lack of national debt. They are anti-israeli and declared recently that they support a palestenian state and have withdraw any and all support of Israel.

The current OP in Norway is executed by a minumum team of two to three persons. Not one. Those here with a certain military experience can easily see how impossible it would be to execute this entire operation singlehandedly.

Whats also interesting is that it came just in time with the current Murdoch fever in Brittish press. Suddenly its all silence there and all news only about this. Very convenient if you ask me.

Like 911 this dreadful occurence has in a way disabled peoples ability to think critically and ask the necessary questions behind the deed. Who benefits from this? Why now? What syncronicitydo we see with other geopolitical/economic issues?

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Im norwegian and the questions you ask are not questions no one dares to ask. Here in Norway we ask what we want to ask, thats our strength as a nation

However Anders Behring made a manifest and a diary of over 1500pages where he planned this for 9 years and also he described how to act when he was arrested.

He was going to surrender and admit it all. Which he has.

This man is very very sick and im in shock over this happening who took the life of a family member and alot of my friends in AUF.

It is so sad that someone has so much hate in them that they go ahead and attack the most peaceful thing we have; politically interested kids on a peaceful camp. I was sitting nearby where the bombs fell and the building next to me had windows exploding. I am still scared.

Whats important is what Stoltenberg said:

The answer to violence is more democracy.

Its true.

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by fooks

 

According to Norwegian TV he is currently scheduled for a psycho evaluation before any further proceedings. In crimes of this caliber it is required by both sides of the bench.

He will get maximum sentence. Anything lesser will enrage the entire Norwegian nation. There are tidbits of info that several policemen and high rank businessmen and politicians had their children shot on that island, so thbe predominant theory (where I am now) is growing that he will not see a single day in court. But this info is still rumour so dont quote me on that one.

The interesting thing in all this and what very few speak of is that suddenly R. Murdoch (the ultra zionist) is off the hook. No light on this due or his evil family. Nor does anyone care that next week entire nations might crumble under the weight of economic defaults. All light is on Norway right now. Isnt this so well orchestrated. I mean, I even see many ATS members lapping up the current cover story about the sad misunderstood lone wolf.

It is sad but it also explains why the TPTB always get away with false flag ops. People can simply not understand pure evil executed by a group of likeminded. It is always better to accuse one man than a group of extremely powerful and depraved souls.

and wtf is the max sentence there?

murdoch is involved? ya right, why don't he take over the world already.

or is this his first move.

there is no PTB, it doesn't fly with the way humans act.

they are impervious to divide and conquer?

lord help me!

Originally posted by tyfon
reply to post by fooks

 

He will probably get 21 years and after that the court can sentence him to 10 years in custody at the time after that if they deam him a danger to society. I don't think he will ever be let out again. he will be charged by straffelovens (criminal law) § 147a which carries the maximum sentence of 21 years.

If he gets maximum, which i hope; he will get 7665 days in jail where everyone knows what he did, the most pathetic thing; killing children, I hope he gets what he deserves on the inside, and when he comes out he comes out to a Norway that doesnt want him or like him. He will never have a life again. Sadly he is a complete maniac so he will never understand this. My hope is that he one day wakes up from his own brainwashing and hatred and understand what he did on Utøya.

reply to post by tyfon


thanks, he deserves texas justice.


you guys got to get tough on these idiots.


eta; maybe it's a false flag to bring in the death penalty again?

reply to post by Cythraul


You are walking in a territory of the Mind few "normals" like to tread. It is a path riddled with the skeletons of mankind. People dont like their dirty laundry exposed publically and powerful people certainly will do anything to keep their unwashable laundry well hidden.

On another subject, As I currently am visiting Scandinavia and cannot read much beside this dreadful occurence here are some further news developments.

From the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet questions are asked like;

Where was our commandos? Why did they not use a helicopter to arrive faster to the island? Why this long delay between first SOS call and the first SWAT team arriving by boats?

I have further found out that my earlier info on the guns he carried were incorrect. He did not as a first witness told press yesterday carry a AK 5C but a mere semi-auto Mini-14-rifle pic here . Our more gun knowing friends might explain the diff. Personally I believe this is a plant. The more simple weapon they present (oswald/kennedy shooting similarity anyone?) the more reason for ppl to buy the story that he was a simple lone shooter with no crew or backup. Its part of selling the illusion. Ppl often buy the first story they are served when under shock. Thats why deception is such an art. It seems to work best on the human psyche when it is most vulnerable.

reply to post by johncarter

Originally posted by johncarter
Like 911 this dreadful occurence has in a way disabled peoples ability to think critically and ask the necessary questions behind the deed. Who benefits from this? Why now? What syncronicitydo we see with other geopolitical/economic issues?

Your mind isn't disabled, neither are the minds of many people on this forum. Ever read the comments under news reports and youtube videos? People are waking up.

I'd agree that the majority of people are still controlled by the corporate media but you're awake and its the duty of people like us to ask these questions in mainstream circles.

There's definately a skunk around somewhere!
This is heavy deep TPTB sh.t!
There is a bigger picture here and extremely mercinary motives at hand!
And yes the killer may have been selected becuase of his extreme views and well...how....mind control?
Is the Murdoch situation and this in someway connected? Well if it was then it worked in distracting the whole planet.
The big think that troubles me is that this nut job had issues with muslim immigrants etc. Then why kill is own. It dont fit the expected MO. Also this guy had his own farming business. Farmer becomes lone mass murderer on youth. Dont think so!!!!
And did he act alone. Expereince tells me that would be niar impossible, impractical and off the scale for a sole perpatrator.
To say something smells is putting it lightly!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by syrinx high priest

 

I agree with you. Too early. But ask yourself again. HOW did the police arrest this guy? I mean no mentioning of any gun battle between him and the police. One moment he is massacring, I mean indiscriminately killing of a large number of human beings (>90 ppl) with his AK 5 and several pistols, the other moment he is suddenly arrested and incarcerated. Did they mace him? Shoot him with a tranq? What? The guy is alive and in a cell laughing over the bloody deed he did.

Arent you curious?

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BBC news site has details of the arrest, he was surrounded by armed police and gave himself up. Link below...

www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by johncarter


Yeah, there's definitely something suspicious about the whole thing. Probably a diversion tactic to divert attention away from the Murdochs. No mention at all about Murdoch in the papers today. Also it's typical that there's no mention in the media of the attacker being a freemason. The only exception being the Daily Mail.

The guy sounds like a fruitcake and he's completely obsessed with the occult.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

reply to post by kindred


Yes strange isnt it. Complete silence. I can almost see the 80 year old coot walking around his mansion like a dracula from that 20s movie cackling how he once again escaped the mob.

OPn another point. Just watched live norwegian tv and the norwegian prime minsiter stoltenberg stand in the church talking about he knew one of the killed and how his friend violently opposed the increased pressure from Brussel (EU) TPTB??? I have to look closer on this slipup (he was close to crying while speaking).

The Norwegians are enraged. If it comes out this guy was truly not alone I can assure you the Norwegian National security agency (PST) will not rest until the rest of the group, conspirators are captured dead or alive. Trust me if you piss off these vikings they will kill you without a second thought. Just because they have become a modern nation doesnt mean they have shed off their viking genome.