The Norway massacre and the question nobody cares to ask

A couple of things:
This incident on the face of it and based on what I know of it bears a strong similarity to what occurred in a place called Tasmania in Australia where 37 people died at the hand of a gunman who was able to achieve a head shot count of 21 bodies with 19 bullets.

This event showed all the hall marks of a professional assassin but a bloke with the intellectual capacity of a 13 year old pleaded guilty to it. Do a Search on ATS for Port Arthur, Martin Bryant or a book called " A Critical Study of the Port Arthur Massacre by Carl Wernerhoff"

It was suspected by many as an organised pretext event for taking guns off Australians by creating the public opinion to support the introduction of such legislation – sound familiar?

Norway has recently been making moves to operate outside the IMF and back away from the European Union. This event in Norway may be punishment for these intentions and a message for other countries considering taking similar actions.

Originally posted by Manhater
But, he didn't resist an arrest. I don't buy that either. If he was going to go on a killing spree he would had an escape plan just like the movie below.

So, because a killer in a movie had an escape plan, ALL killers do?

I'm not following your logic.

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No, I wasn't considering it an Attack. And lol, yes indeed I do know how fake barriers are in movie. Thanks for your service by the way, because yea, real soldiers like you let me play with blow up barriers in play-war.

I suppose I have to admit a bias. I'm an architect in training, so I actually do understand materials of war and what's good and whats not. Obviously blow up balloons won't do it. But it is still simulation. And as I said, it's basically militia quality. I'm not claiming to be Duke Nukem, coming down from a VTOL guns blazing. I'm claiming that in a situation involving a poorly trained crazed gunman, I stand a better chance at bringing down the perp than most because of what little skills I do have. Most people run, this is true. I run to find protection, then I plot.

Obviously a well trained soldier such as yourself is far better equipped to do it than myself. But if I was in a situation where a crazed gunman was going nuts, and the soldiers were going to take 40 minutes, I do have some confidence in my ability to plot the man's downfall quite quickly. And I do credit that from video games. The desensitize you from the "run and flee" idea, and instead tell you "MISSION OBJECTIVE UPDATED".

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I too, have wondered about the coincidences involving this atrocity. It seems that things are picking up speed across the world. But I have kept my views to myself until a little more was told.

I think that there is more than meets the eye here.

Originally posted by bussoboy


Norway has recently been making moves to operate outside the IMF and back away from the European Union. This event in Norway may be punishment for these intentions and a message for other countries considering taking similar actions.

That's some interesting stuff, and makes a lot more sense than most the paranoid hobby horse theories being bandied about. I'm having trouble finding any references in the news to Norway wanting to back away from the IMF, though.

lilttle help?

Norways currency (krone) is one of the strongest currencies out there, and many in the financial markets expect it to continue to gain strength.

I woudnt be surprised if tis was connected to international markets and capital than anything else.

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Norway shooter Breivik could possibly have been a member of the "knights templar".

How come nobody is talking about a possible connection with this, when it is written for the public to see?

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It seems that Anders Behring Breivik is being misrepresented as being a "Christian fundamentalist" even though his

views are actually: anti-racist , pro-homosexual and pro-Israel
source

Wow that is damning information you have there and more proof i have gathered to substantiate your sources/claim

This is really something....

Seems the Rat Who Denied the OP conspiracy theories has gone into Hiding.

The perpetrator was a regular poster on several Norwegian Internet media, notably the blog document.no, which is run by Hans Rustad1), a former left wing journalist.Hans Rustad is Jewish, and extremely pro-Zionist, and warns against islamization, violence and other problems connected with Muslim immigration. Many regular contributors on his blog naturally more or less share his views.

So of Course the MSM (Jewish Ownd) is going to label this a Christian Right Wing Extremist instead of the Real cause. He is a pro Zionist supporter of the Atrocities of the ZOG MACHINE




EVIDENCE
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I found a photo that was taken 5 days before the attacks at the camp

I believe the sign says boycott Israel even more evidence substantiating what we have expected.

Mossad is possibly involved and for the reasons and possibly motives/evidence we have brought up in my above post and all the posts in this thread.



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MORE EVIDENCE
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Its very fishy and could have been a False-Flag we don't know.

Here's some odd coincidences that add to the validity of your thread.

Is it a coincidence that Norway backed Palestine becoming a valid/sovereign state 2 days ago and now this attack?

July 20th Norway Supports Palestinian Bid For UN Recognition In September


Is it a coincidence Norway was going to pull out of Libya a week from now

Norwegian warplanes to withdraw from bombardment against Libya by Aug.1

Is it a Coincidence Norways Leader says this

"No one will bomb us to silence.

No one will shoot us to silence.

No one will ever scare us away from being Norway,"

Then on Yahoo Answers someone posted a Question "Were Zionists Extremists behind the Oslo/Norway Attacks on the day of the event. The Question was Deleted immediately." I never got to see the whole question

Google This:norway support palestine july 20th

And it Comes up as the Second Result Yahoo Removed it very quickly because it wasn't even up a few hours after the attack.



Zionist Media Removes Wikipedia Claim of Utoya Oslo Shooter/Bomber as a FreeMason. Censorship PROOF

My post shows the Quote From Wikipedia Before it was removed now if you click on the Link the Free mason part is Removed.

He was a Pro-Zionist Anti-Muslim immigration Etc

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I'm sure more info will come of this in the near future.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I love how this place goes into overdrive with the conspiracies before the official line has even been stated.

Welcome to ATS. In case you're not aware, that's basically what this web site has been all about for its entire existence!

Originally posted by kurokami
It seems that Anders Behring Breivik is being misrepresented as being a "Christian fundamentalist" even though his views are actually:

anti-racist , pro-homosexual and pro-Israel

source

You are making a mistake believing that your understanding of what is right/left is similar to how things are in Norway.

If you actually read the posts you can find by the shooter, you will see that he defines himself as a cultural conservative. In Norwegian terms this means someone who is for mono-culture and against multi-culture, for individualism and against neo-collectivist thinking.

He writes positively about Israel, South Korea and Japan, as they have been able to maintain their mono-cultural society, even in the face of international condemnation.

He believes racism to be the tool of the multi-culture movement in Norway, imposing multi-culture on the masses who doesn't want it, and is therefore against it.

He is critical of the press for being mouthpieces for the multi-culture movement, in misunderstood solidarity with immigrants who support entirely or in part, authoritarian ideology(political and religious).

His summary of what the 'Vienna School of Thought' is

- Cultural Conservatism (anti-multi-culturalism)
- Against islamisation
- Anti-ranti racist
- Anti-authoritarian (resist all authoritarian ideologies)
- Pro-Israel (defense of non muslim minorities on muslim land)
- Defense of the cultural aspects of christianity
- To uncover and make public the Eurabia project and the Frankfurt school(Neo-Marxism/Cultural marxism/multi-culturalism)
- Is not aligned with a specific economic system or policy.

He also refers to it as a third way. If you only look for left/right, he puts himself squarely on the right side, simply because the left already occupies the opposite side. In short he is opposed to the norwegian left and on a right/left scale that put's him on the right.

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If one wishes to make a statement.

Such as he seemed to do. Wouldn't it be more opportunistic to go on trial?

I think certainly, he must have planned to be shot to death.

But I bet he also planned an attempt to surrender.

Id like to ask those that may know, reading our papers today in Australia, it states that the Norwegian Prime Minister was to visit the island that day... (only 1 sentence mind you)
If he goes to the trouble to dress up as a police officer and shoot children ... i dont think so... i believe that maybe the PM was to be targeted.

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The Australian population was disarmed after a similar incident at Port Arthur Tasmania as previously mentioned.

In the wash up it will be a very interesting comparison to the two incidents.
Seriously a lone gunman killing 90 people.

What you fail to consider is that this person wanted ppl to know why he did it. If he would have fought back against the police, it would have been in vain since he would be killed. He wanted to tell his story, and to let ppl know what a single person can accomplish if he set his mind to it.

Just imagine what we all could do if we really wanted. This government has a right to be fearful, against its inhabitants which they opress to keep their power. Thats why "for your security" is getting more and more common everywhere, as an excuse to break the constitution, to tax your ass off etc.

It´s a downward spiral i tell you. once enough people see it, revolution will happen. Kings heads will fly.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the profile I read is 32 year old preppy who was exempted from mandatory military service, who owned a business that gave him access to fertilizer

and a right wing christian fundamentalist who didn't like norway's muslim population

as a previous poster stated, it's too early to tell

but since this is ats, it's obama's fault

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ROTFLMAO Yes it's Obama's Fault. That there was funny!!

How can you state its "impossible" to pull off.. It was a small island full of unarmed people with no escape and he had automatic weapons for christ sakes. Its like shooting fish in a barrel, they didnt stand a chance. He could have easily pulled it off alone.

As for how they stopped him, police swarmed and it says he surrendered without a fight. You say he wouldnt do that, but wtf you dont know the guy. Hes already said why he did it, he said it was "necessary" to get his message out about his views against muslim immigrants and certain political groups and whatever else. Its pretty clear he wanted to spread a message with his attack and he can spread his message alot easier alive than dead. Seems like the type of douchebag who is proud of what he did and wants to be famous and tell everyone why he did it, so it makes sense that he would surrender rather than dying in a gunfight. You people are silly sometimes, youre willing to claim this tragedy is a conspiracy based on nothing but PURE speculation, not a shred of evidence. At least read up more on the story and learn all the facts before running around making outlandish claims. Hell, maybe it is a conspiracy, thats always a possibility, but claiming that based on nothing but your feelings and speculation just makes this website and conspiracy theorists in general look like nutjobs and certainly doesn't help the investigation.

The only thing I'll somewhat agree with is that its really unfortunate that the timing is during the phone hacking investigation. Finally when a large corrupt corporation is being somewhat exposed it will probably get largely swept under the rug and quietly fade away as they focus on the bigger story, like you said. I'm going to nearly cry when the company probably gets a slap on the wrist and nothing at all happens to scumbag murdoch and he secretly laughs about the whole thing while swimming in his pools of money. Nothing ever happens to the scumbags ruining peoples lives in more subtle ways than shooting a bunch of people, as long as theyre rich.

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Would I be out of line if I said that we should probably expect to see EU taking swift action to implement strong anti-domestic terrorism policies, especially as they relate to "extreme political activism"? I personally cannot imagine the general public being opposed to this idea, in fact, by this time next week they will probably demand it...

That was my first thought when I heard this story.

www.youtube.com... : I wonder what will happen now. What country will get the blame.

I can see how this would be possible.....dressed as a police officer flocks of people would come to him for safety after hearing shot fired etc. Then he could just take out multiple people from close range with a fully automatic weapon. there are reports he shot 20+ people at once this way. He would only need to do this a Few times go kill the amount he did.

His video says a lot about his mission...

The video that Anders Behring Breivik posted on YouTube before he attacked Oslo City with a bomb who killed 7 people, and atferwards killed almost 90 youth people at Utøya outside Oslo

The disclaimer on the video that states, "This video is reuploaded, in case the original was deleted. Its not mine!" bothers me, where is the original upload?