Pennsylvania Restaurant Bans Children Under 6

reply to post by Hardstepah


Well being it is California, nuff said, this don't seem to be an issue on the East coast and I have eaten everywhere between North Pennsylvania and down to Florida and every state in between along the East coast. Maybe you need to move? California kids are spoiled "entitlement" children, just look what they have as an example spoiled celebs...that right there is the problem with California, it's a whole entirely different world from the rest of The USA, it should be considered a different country. Thanks for the heads up though if I ever visit Cali...I'll be sure to order room service instead of going out lol.

reply to post by NuroSlam


Id love to patronize a restaurant where little bastards arnt always screaming their bloody heads off, because their simply not allowed in.

Go to chucky cheese if you want to bring your loud, uncontrollable misfit child out into public

I dont know about anyone else but when im trying to have a relaxing meal with my soulmate and theres some screaming kids in the restaurant I WILL LEAVE...

If my food is served and someone enters the restaurant with screaming kids I WILL LEAVE, if i cant enjoy my dinner in your establishment there is no way im paying for it.

But thats just me.

If I had it my way, in America if you owned a business you would be able to denie any one services.

Originally posted by sabbathcrazy
If I had it my way, in America if you owned a business you would be able to denie any one services.

Well -- my mom - - having been a victim of the '51 polio epidemic was denied restaurant service many times because of her physical disability.

She was either an insurance liability OR it would be disturbing to other customers.

That was prior to the Disability discrimination act.

There is one little aspect that no one is considering that most businesses know and do abide by:
All businesses, that deal with the public do hold the right to refuse service to any one who enters into their establishment.
That means if this business owner does not want young children in his establishment, he has the right to refuse them and those with them service.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by Hardstepah

 

Well being it is California, nuff said, this don't seem to be an issue on the East coast and I have eaten everywhere between North Pennsylvania and down to Florida and every state in between along the East coast. Maybe you need to move? California kids are spoiled "entitlement" children, just look what they have as an example spoiled celebs...that right there is the problem with California, it's a whole entirely different world from the rest of The USA, it should be considered a different country. Thanks for the heads up though if I ever visit Cali...I'll be sure to order room service instead of going out lol.

Spoiled celebs - - right.

And everyone in the South is a Redneck.

And everyone on the East Coast - - is a stuck up cold fish.

I am all for this.
If I had a choice between a restaurant with children or without, I'd certainly go to the one without.

My parents raised me in a way that if I make a scene in public when I was a child, they removed me instantly from the place I was at and they sat with me in the car until I calmed down. I learned that public was no place to misbehave.

Now, I see parents who let their children run free, scream, cry, cause tripping hazards (I have seen this happen), and see the parents go frantic when they can't find their child after not paying attention to them for a while. It saddens me.

Originally posted by xxcalbier
I have 6 boys and wile i love my kids with all my heart thyere were many times when i just wanted a nice meal out with the wife and left the kids at home with sitters.

There are plenlty of chucky cheeses and mc and burger kings for the kids its good to have a quite candle lite dinner for two from time to time

I actually never had a sitter. If someone in the family couldn't watch them - - I didn't go.

Honestly though - - I did not take them to crappy kid places. There are plenty of decent family restaurants that are good training for them to learn how to behave in better restaurants.

My only rule was "do lunch" or "early dinner". You can't really blame a tired child.

reply to post by Adyta

Sorry, your argument has no weight since you pulled a Godwin.


I wish that airlines would have a separate deck or something for mothers with small children/babies.

Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by Adyta

 

Sorry, your argument has no weight since you pulled a Godwin.


I wish that airlines would have a separate deck or something for mothers with small children/babies.

Yeah - - but I think most parents with children fly Coach.

You're flying cheap to get from point A to point B - - - no recourse.

Originally posted by Adyta
reply to post by ChrisF231

 

UGH this pisses me off so bad. If you don't enjoy the company of other people -kids included- then go build a cabin in the woods and live out the rest of your days as an anti-social hermit.

What would you say if you saw a sign outside a restaurant that said;

"NO BLACKS"
"NO MEXICANS"
"NO GAYS"
"NO WHITES"
"NO MUSLIMS"
"NO WOMEN"
"NO FATTYS"
"NO ELDERLY"
"NO CRIPPLES"

If you were a sane person, you'd probably be absolutely livid... but you see a sign that says;

"NO KIDS UNDER 6"...

...and you think "GOOD!"??? You cannot say this isn't discrimination. There's no gray area about it. Something is either discriminatory or it isn't... and this clearly is.

There are a lot of mentally retarded people out that that at times act like a 6 year old... what next? A sign that says "NO RETARDS"?

Why should those wanting a quiet meal need to build a cabin in the woods? If you don't like the business owners policy then take your screaming brat to your cabin in the woods.

There is nothing wrong with "discrimination" of this type!

Discrimination will never go away and has been legal for decades - Do you have auto insurance? Do you pay the same premium @ 18 as you pay at age 40? No. Hell, you're even discriminated against based on your sex, education and where you live.

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
I'm coming at this from a legal angle: isn't this age discrimination?

Or does age discrimination only apply to those over 40?

Sounds like a place I'd patronize (Great idea).
Its a life saving precaution("For the children"!) : ever want to strangle some" free range" out of control banshee( or their useless abdicating parents)?

Super-nanny where are you????????????????

" You must sit in thenaughty-chair""...

reply to post by Annee


Well I think it sure is alot better than beating the tar out of them, and I was a kid too at the time, lol, so not much could have been done about it. Anyway like I said that I have not been off the East coast for the most part, besides the East coast most places were nearby the east coast still like Texas, Louisiana and Missouri and Chicago and I have been to establishments there in these states and never experienced it there either. I don't know I guess it depends on where one lives there seem to be more reposnisible parents over here and the ones who aren't usually don't have the money to take their kids out much less themselves, so I don't know. I know that all I can say is I never except in the instance of my cousins, who were animals when they were younger, never experienced it not one single time since. I even had children and they never thought of acting out in public... or they knew we'd grab them up and leave and they knew what would happen if MAMA was made to leave somewhere because she had to put them in check, they didn't want none of that, but they never acted up in a restaurant ever, I even had a man comment how well behaved they were in a McDonald's and bought them each a coupon book from MCD's to give them to and said "They are so well behaved I had to tell them thank you and reward them for it". I looked at him like he was out of his mind now that I think about it he must've been from "out of state". HAHAHA!!! I really guess it does matter where you grew up and I know for the most part these states are high on family values and such, in this area of the US I mean, that's why it shocks me this is in Pennsylvania, I would have thought it would have been Michigan or maybe California this business was in, it's highly unheard of children acting up here on this side of the world without being taken outside and thwarted or not to be taken into the place to begin with, like I said people know their kids, and usually act accordingly here. It's true there are unpredictable points but they usually act accordingly on those terms too. I know there are certain friends of my children now who I wouldn't take out to a public place because of the way they act here, but that's cause I can predict they would act up out. So if we're going somewhere I won't let my children tell them lol. They always want to bring their friends why is that? Oh and these are teenager and preteen kids, lol, so there is no age at which they stop misbehaving lol, that's just ridiculous...some teens are by far more obnoxious than 6 year olds sometimes... usually here the parent has proven to be a good judge of their children. However I will say that my friend has a totally obnoxious little boy who is four and They asked us out to dinner and I was gritting my teeth knowing they were bringing him, however he wa not loud and obnoxious, he wasn't a total angel but the other patrons never heard him make a sound. He was tolerable, very much a shock to me, so sometimes even home behavior is no way to gauge what the child will do. I am undecided on this (all my children are above that age anyway) it really isn't my business, but saying you can predict how every child is going to act is like saying you can predict anything in nature, it just is not possible. And it may be the new group of kids being raised today, the last time I went out was February, and only one infant was in the entire restaurant that infant was quiet (Sleeping) the entire time, so I don't know I can't even remember the last time I even saw kids in a restaurant last except buc de beppo like 3 years ago, so maybe times have changed it too?

Originally posted by sabbathcrazy
If I had it my way, in America if you owned a business you would be able to denie any one services.

You have it your way then - if you own a business you can make your own rules!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by circuitsports
reply to post by Annee

 

This is a private business and I support him - if he thinks it's bad there he should come to LA and listen to these kids that speak some form of cracked out quasi mexican deathtone at the top of there lungs for no reason - mahmah mahmah mahmah mahmah over and over and over.

I was born and raised in SOCA.

I do not appreciate your racism.

I find it funny that you think he/she/we care!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by Hardstepah

 

Well being it is California, nuff said, this don't seem to be an issue on the East coast and I have eaten everywhere between North Pennsylvania and down to Florida and every state in between along the East coast. Maybe you need to move? California kids are spoiled "entitlement" children, just look what they have as an example spoiled celebs...that right there is the problem with California, it's a whole entirely different world from the rest of The USA, it should be considered a different country. Thanks for the heads up though if I ever visit Cali...I'll be sure to order room service instead of going out lol.

Spoiled celebs - - right.

And everyone in the South is a Redneck.

And everyone on the East Coast - - is a stuck up cold fish.

Well this is what I have heard... I never been there but a lot of the idols are hollywood celebs and those that are exposed to them are those that live in their vicinity. Lol. I just meant look at their influences they live in a place that is totally unrealistic and they idolize the celbs there. Most of us are stuck up cold fish that's why we'd be horrified if our children acted up in public (It's true). I think a lot of them including me we think appearances are evrything and that includes manners... you're saying that is a bad thing? About rednecks I agree there too, The South sucks I hate it here, I am becoming even more snobbish, I loathe these people who outed me and have the IQ of a needle eye, lol! That's why I am going back North...can't take Nascar and beer heads. Don't get me wrong some up North are rednecks too, but they know their place up there

Totally agree with the restaurant. Young children are not appropriate in some situations. Period.

When I was a kid, the church I went to had a glass-enclosed room for adults with young children (up to about 4 or 5 years of age). That solved the problem of crying babies (which drove everyone crazy) as well as the 3-4 year olds who talk out loud or do things inappropriate in church. The parents with kids liked it as well because they could bring their kids and not worry about bothering anyone else.

That was decades ago. People were more considerate. Parents understood that even though THEIR world might revolve around their kids, that was not the way the world worked for everyone else.

Too many people now think the world should kiss their @ss. And I can't stand those women (some men as well) who think just because they have a baby with them everyone else should be hyper-conscious of it and afford them all kinds of deference. I'm considerate of a woman-with-child, but there are some common sense limitations to that respect.

Restaurants, at least here in New York, have the right to deny anyone service. Being in the food industry myself, I think this is actually fantastic.
Loud, screaming children can destroy an entire restaurants atmosphere, especially if they've put time and effort into creating a nice ambience for their guests to feel at home. As my sous chef always says to me when we can hear unruly children in the dining room... " I would have stayed at home if I wanted to hear screaming children."

There are plenty of family-friendly restaurants out there that will happily serve your entire family. Some restaurants aren't made for that.

Originally posted by circuitsports
reply to post by Annee

 

This is a private business and I support him - if he thinks it's bad there he should come to LA and listen to these kids that speak some form of cracked out quasi mexican deathtone at the top of there lungs for no reason - mahmah mahmah mahmah mahmah over and over and over.

buddy, I hate to admit it, but I agree with you 100%. I'm in vegas and these people take thier 10 kids everywhere they go and let them do what they wish. went to get a buffet the other day, and this little platoon of monsters were running all over the place screaming their heads off and the parents were totally confused as to why other patrons were upset. then go out to the casino to gamble and enjoy a few drinks and they are running by the bar and slots screaming and carrying on. when I was that age security would grab us and physically throw us in the arcade.