Pennsylvania Restaurant Bans Children Under 6

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by Annee

 

If the child is misbehaved that's one thing.

But banning all children?

A newborn that just eats and sleeps?

What if the child is behaving just fine?

This is frustrating to see in this day and age.

Blame the parents who ruined it for everyone else. Not the business owner.

In your day and age? Ha! I've seen plenty of privileges taken away in my 60+ years - - - because of people who don't give a damn - - kids or not.

I remember when families used to go to the sand dunes in Playa Del Rey and slide down them in sleds or on cardboard boxes. Not anymore. People pollution. No one gave a damn to clean up after themselves. It is now fenced in and illegal to go there.

So many laws and restrictions today - - because so many people - - just don't give a damn.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


No. The restaurant is banning all children.
The misbehaving and behaving children. Not fair.
The restaurant should reserve the right to refuse service to anyone NOT conforming to restaurant policy.
That would be a fair compromise.
What's next? they have the right not to served people of color? Think about it.

And I never claimed that parents were victims. But that they work hard just like everyone else and should not be penalized for having kids.

reply to post by Annee


I blame both.
the owner should reserve the right to kick anyone out. but not ban them altogether.
And parents should not just let their kids run around.

we agree to disagree i guess.

hello i would like a steak and a beer, with a side of screaming 2 year old please.

If you cant control your kid , the public should not have to deal with it.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by grey580
How do you propose disciplining a crying 6 month old?

You don't. You don't take a 6-month old into a nice restaurant or movie theater. If you do, and they start crying, you get up and leave. Simple. Have some accountability.

Absolutely!

Unless it is a family place. And then you should still go to early dinner - - before kids get tired.

No one owes you anything because you choose to have kids.

This is a very touchy issue that is coming up around the country. Where and when can a business restrict its access, and prevent certain groups from coming in. The first time that this came up, it was with a bar/restaurant, the owner was very specific, that people are there to relax and enjoy, not having to deal with the child of their neighbor. There are some venues that should never be age accessed, while there are others. Certain store and shops can restrict the access of children into them, as they may sell items that are age restricted. Some would argue that it is not correct to ban children from a restaurant as it is a form of discrimination, that may be true, however, is it correct to ban say those who are 16 and older from a shop that sells porn, after all such shops sell condoms and other things of a sexual nature? And how about the convenience stores and bars, would it also not be considered age discrimination to restrict the sale of alcohol to people who are between the ages of 18 and 21? After all they have the right to vote, can join the military and participate in most adult activities? Should they not be given the right to purchase and consume alcohol, while so many states ban them from purchasing and consuming such, and said venues of purchase?
There have always been some form of age discrimination that exists in this country for one reason or another and it exists in every single state and major town, where if you are too young, you are not allowed to go, some activity or store which limits who can and can not enter, what some can choose to consume and others can not, and even where some can live while the rest is out of luck. And this is no different, as we all have seen the best and worst of society, along with the children that parents raise. To my point, I remember going to an all you can eat buffet where the children were allowed to do what they want, and pretty much ended up almost giving anyone who came after them a case of food poisoning, as the parents did not keep control over their children.
In this case the owner has decided that this needs to be an establishment that is age restrictive, and it is the owners choice. The owner is not banning all children from the establishment, only those of a certain age, to try to create an atmosphere a bit more quieter for those dinners who wish to enjoy a meal and not have to be disturbed by the child of another family, where the parents are not keeping control over that child, or allowing the child to sit and scream, disturbing all others.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by Annee

 

I blame both.
the owner should reserve the right to kick anyone out. but not ban them altogether.
And parents should not just let their kids run around.

we agree to disagree i guess.

The owner owes you nothing because you chose to have kids.

As I see it - - - he is protecting his paying adult customers who want to have a relaxing dinner.

reply to post by Annee


This is a private business and I support him - if he thinks it's bad there he should come to LA and listen to these kids that speak some form of cracked out quasi mexican deathtone at the top of there lungs for no reason - mahmah mahmah mahmah mahmah over and over and over.

I think an outright ban is quite extreme, there are some very well behaved kids out there, which mostly go unnoticed because of the screaming attention seekers.

I think this issue should be delt with on a case by case basis, tarring all with the same brush isnt really the answer.

I have had quite a few meals destroyed by screaming kids in a restaurant, I find it pretty insulting that the parents feel that behavior is acceptable, usually it is a result of poorly disciplined parents, the kind that threaten to smash your face in if you mention the fact their kids are acting like animals, rather than apologising and sorting it out.

Adults act like d*cks too, and when they do they should be kicked out aswell!

Theres also no reason to expell an entire group, some kids just need to be taken out and put to sleep in the car if it gets too tiring (with an adult of course).

The other option is no kids after a certain time, my local pub does this and it seems to work just fine.

BTW - - - I have been refused entrance or asked to leave business for various reasons.

No - I did not like it at the time it happened. But the owners were in their right to ask me to leave.

I think once I was carrying my 4 month old Chihuahua - - it was a warehouse place - but they had food - and it is a state law.

I was asked to leave a store because I had a stroller. The store didn't have aisles wide enough for strollers.

I was asked to leave a lobby of a hotel lounge that had a dress code - - Seriously!

I was kicked off the beach - - when they closed it because of rip tides.

There is a feeling of violation - - but Tough! Deal with it and move on.

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
I'm coming at this from a legal angle: isn't this age discrimination?

Or does age discrimination only apply to those over 40?

It's a private business. And he isn't racist....it's all kids of all races. under 6 years of age.

I would love a place like that , and I dont' hate kids at all.

It's not the kids fault. It's the parents.. They let their kids do whatever they want and when they get out in public everybody else has to deal with it because that parent is just not smart.

Originally posted by Fatmandy
I think an outright ban is quite extreme, there are some very well behaved kids out there, which mostly go unnoticed because of the screaming attention seekers.

I think this issue should be delt with on a case by case basis, tarring all with the same brush isnt really the answer.

Why? I think that is asking far too much of the owner. He is trying to run a business.

Now - - you want him to pick and choose who gets the boot? When one rule will suffice for all very young children?

He can still "hand select" anyone over 6 to leave.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with this. There are different types of discrimination you know. EVERYONE discriminates in some way. You are a liar if you say you do not. You can discriminate simply because you dislike something (I discriminate highly against cilantro..), or you can discriminate based on hate. Hate descrimination is not quite the same as not enjoying screaming toddlers. Trying to say someone who doesn't like children is as hateful as someone who puts a hood on their head and burns crosses in front yards is ludicrous.

As a business owner, someone has the right to say they don't want someone under a certain age. There is a REASON you can not legally discriminate against races in businesses, but CAN discriminate based on age. If that business is willing to lose the business of all customers that might want to bring younger children (or those outraged as some in this thread, who refuse to go because of that policy), then that's their perogative.

Stop trying to make everything about hate crimes and discrimination. Why does everything have to be blown 19 ways to Sunday out of proportion these days?

Originally posted by circuitsports
reply to post by Annee

 

This is a private business and I support him - if he thinks it's bad there he should come to LA and listen to these kids that speak some form of cracked out quasi mexican deathtone at the top of there lungs for no reason - mahmah mahmah mahmah mahmah over and over and over.

I was born and raised in SOCA.

I do not appreciate your racism.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by grey580
How do you propose disciplining a crying 6 month old?

You don't. You don't take a 6-month old into a nice restaurant or movie theater. If you do, and they start crying, you get up and leave. Simple. Have some accountability.

Absolutely!

Unless it is a family place. And then you should still go to early dinner - - before kids get tired.

No one owes you anything because you choose to have kids.

That certainly is an option.
No kids after a certain time.
That's fair to everyone.

I'm just wondering where the hell most of these people replying here are going out to eat at? I have been to many many establishments and seen kids, and never ever had any experiences of them acting up. The only time I have ever had this experience was with my cousins when I went out to eat at a chinese food place (I was around 12) and I was always well behaved so I think the mother wanted me to go to be kind of a "example" for her kids. Do you know what I did? I pinched my cousins like my mom would have done to me at that age (I think they were 4 and 6 yrs old). They howled and I whispered "shut up or I will pinch you harder this time" they shut up and the meal went well for the remainder of it. But, I actually think acting up kids is the exception to the rule rather than the rule. Just from MY observations, because most parents know how their kids are, and the ones who they know will act up, most responsible parents won't bring them out to the restaurant. I don't know if most of you live near a zoo, a ghetto, I don't know what the case is, but I have been in multiple cities in a multitude of different establishments with entirely different "ambiance" and never have see children that were there acting up. Is this place near a ghetto? May explain the bad behavior of children. I think there are by far much more responsible parents than people here would have the crowd believe, also very rich neighborhoods would be another problem as the parents are more involved in thier careers and aren't raising theiir children correctly or even want to acknowledge their presence, the "spoiled brats" you have all been talkiing about, so I must admit I never been in an overly rich or wealthy neighborhood's eating establishment, nor one near a ghetto, so maybe that's why? I just know that in the "middle" ground I never have had these problems or issues, and I have been to Applebees and such and no issues whatsoever there. Boca de Beppo is a great example, a family oriented place and never have I seen kids acting up there. I guess it all depends what establishment it is. I have been to fancy restaurants with no agel limit and never saw a child present (Just common sense the parents don't bring them). That has been my experience. But, I don't ever see this when I am out, honestly.
Some people here act like there are no good parents any more or even common sense, I would say that in my experience there are far more responsible parents than irresponsible ones and most of the irresponsible ones haven't got the money to take their kids anywhere but mcdonald's because they are probably not working to make the money to have the disposable income. But, that's my opinion from what I have seen.

I think it's more disturbing when people are on their cell phones... especially the NexTels and Push 2 Talk phones like Boost... I was glad when NeTel went corporate but Boost still has them and people think it's okay for everyone in the place to hear what them and their partner has to say to one another.

I have a young daughter and I know it can over whelming when they do not listen so I like this idea as well. Plus she will be 6 next month... LOL...

just went to my local chili's restaurant on saturday night and counted behaving children to obnoxious, loud, screaming, unruly children.

EVERY table (there were 13 when i was waiting to be seated) with children had kids being unruly and me and my table could barely talk over each other due to some stupid waste of space jumping up and down climbing on my friends backside of the booth screaming and yelling.

yeah, i sure do hate hearing that these poor "children" who don't even eat the food at these types of places, get discriminated upon. i'd hate to be able to go to a diner and be able to eat without some spoiled un-mannered brat being the head of his families table.

I have 6 boys and wile i love my kids with all my heart thyere were many times when i just wanted a nice meal out with the wife and left the kids at home with sitters.
there are plenlty of chucky cheeses and mc and burger kings for the kids its good to have a quite candle lite dinner for two from time to time

Originally posted by ldyserenity
I pinched my cousins like my mom would have done to me at that age (I think they were 4 and 6 yrs old).

You pinch me - and I'll deck you. IMO pinching is one of the most vile physical abuses ever.

One time my soon to be father-in-law who was Cajun French - - pinched me. I turned around so fast - - stuck my face in his - - and told him if he ever pinched me again - he'd be getting a fist in his face.

He never did it again.

I don't know where you've been eating that you never experienced loud obnoxious kids.