The Coming War With China: Evidence!

We have god on our side.Just kidding,Does anyone think our forefathers havent been planning for chinas walkabout?

America hasnt lost any sleep,and last time I checked missiles dont need people to fire accurately,there may be millions dead and dying but I am pretty sure that the usa will institute MADD and there will be no victory or world opinion to be concerned with.

The heavily armed population is your indicator that America will go western on chinas rice paddy.

And I believe they will leave one in the chamber in case things go south.

Kamikasis were minor compared to john waynes attitude.

China cant move anywhere on the globe without looking like they are getting ready for war.


Our forefathers are considering how many will be left when its over,dont you see that china has nothing but fear for the us because the us doesnt need anything from china,they will destroy everything unilaterally and reassess when the smoke clears,its more about who has the capability to recover.

China could be starved into submission very easily,after an exchange their population would suffer over 10 times the casualties due to starvation and disease,many Americans have bomb shelters in their back yards that their grandpas built,and FOOD long term storage food everywhere to fall back on for whoever survives,the chineese survivors are in trouble.

Besides there are other countries like India that dont cause waves but that have global aspirations.

Now that I see Irans military capability,I would assume America would just nuke them first to shut china up or as a precursor to force chinas hand early,like soon.

It is also possible that a rouge[american friend]country will strike china with a couple nukes independant of the us,this slows china down .

I agree though ,china is coming,but as I stated earlier we will see how the survivors do after the fact because this is ultimately about survivabilty not military power ,everyone has power by the bushel.


I wouldnt be surprised to see a country like Germany take a crack at china or have global aspirations that do not include china as a major stakeholder,lets not forget how attractive china looks to the rest of the world if it is depopulated.How would that prize be split up?

The so called dominant reserves of rare earth metals might be a bad thing for china if people want them,and besides America will simply use gravity craft to sit the action out somewhere under the oceans or inside a mountain and come out to be globally dominant ad help their remaining population,if China had acess to this tech we would already be eating rice three times a day.

Aside from all that Islam was created by christianity and as I jokingly said we have god on our side imagine a coalition of christian and Islamic makeup choosing to tame the devil china??

This thread is a blast,conjecture conjecture conjecture.

Why dont we simply open up global borders already,no one cares about racial issues anymore we all care about a fair allocation of resources,surviving.

lets hope that when disclosure of ufos and their technology becomes mainstream that the churches dont use this as a reason to start a world war,china being irrelevant once religon fires up and the vatican accepts the greys and the other human races we know of.

China is so big and red that they even scare ufos,ha ha ha.

China knows the only way to the future is to become grey like everyone else,integrate and let natures pallette carry you where it may,it is the way to the future.

I said grey right?

reply to post by one4all

America hasnt lost any sleep,and last time I checked missiles dont need people to fire accurately,there may be millions dead and dying but I am pretty sure that the usa will institute MADD and there will be no victory or world opinion to be concerned with.

The heavily armed population is your indicator that America will go western on chinas rice paddy.

And I believe they will leave one in the chamber in case things go south.

Kamikasis were minor compared to john waynes attitude.

China cant move anywhere on the globe without looking like they are getting ready for war.

MADD does not apply here. I wish you guys would watch the videos first before commenting or at least read the whole thread. This will not be a straightforward attack and it will be blamed on terrorist. WE WON'T KNOW WHO DID IT. See my several posts answering this over and over.

Your last statement quoted above is so far off it is amazing China already has millions of their people all over the globe under the guise of free trade. They control dozens of ports around the globe, they have the second largest navy on the world. The rhetoric that "china can do nothing compared to us" is just outdated cold war non-sense that feeds our normalcy bias and denial!

Just got done watching both clips from the OP, if this ended up being true, this would create a situation similar to WWII where you would see men/women 16/18 years of age and up dropping everything to enlist to defend our nation, within months we would grow our military from the 3+ million, as it currently stands, to well over 20-30 million, if not more....I for one would enlist in a heart beat if our country was truly being threatened by a coordinated attack of communist nations....

Originally posted by milkyway12
Again to the OP , you are giving the Enemy nation to much credit , you are leaving the American strategies completely blank.

If YOU are thinking of this , do you not think the Military strategist / planners havnt already though about it? They arnt going to announce hey we think a war is China is fairly plausible , we know hey have this we know they have that ... well we have this to counter that .... NO , we arnt going to tell the American public what we have in plan because the enemy will be listening!

I assure you! What china has in world destructive power we have 10 fold. They can kill a lot of our people and we can kill a lot of theirs.

Also again , we have a policy that is called Mutual destruction. If we are about to wipe out ,we wipe out ALL suspected nations .... not just ONE ... but ALL suspected nations.

Yes of course the military strategist have thought about it so hard they have recommended to politicians to invite them to build multiple bases in each of the 50 states larger then any of our military bases, allowed them to control and or own most of our major ports. Gave them them panama canal and are allowing them to build the NAFTA super highway from Mexico to Canada which starts and ends at major ports China controls etc. etc... In short they have given China every advantage in carrying out thier stated plan to take us over. Yeah those military strategist are doing a bang up job.

Stop being so naive folks. Either those military strategist are extremely stupid or we have been sold out!

reply to post by hawkiye


They may own the ports around the United States, but if there was any reason to believe that China was doing this to take us over the United States would simply take control of them ALL.....The reason why US allows them is becuase they have become a major trading partner with us over the past decade.....Just because you control the ports doesnt mean you ultimately will win a war against us....We have a VERY strong military and the United States essentially could take back anything they want if they feel threatened....

Countries need to understand, if you come after the United States we will give you the hardest fight you could ever possibly imagine.....Threaten our livelyhood and our military will grow over night from 3 million to tens of millions and we will allow our military to spend anything they want........Coming after us would ultimately be the reason why China falls...

Originally posted by jhn7537
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They may own the ports around the United States, but if there was any reason to believe that China was doing this to take us over the United States would simply take control of them ALL.....The reason why US allows them is becuase they have become a major trading partner with us over the past decade.....Just because you control the ports doesnt mean you ultimately will win a war against us....We have a VERY strong military and the United States essentially could take back anything they want if they feel threatened....

Countries need to understand, if you come after the United States we will give you the hardest fight you could ever possibly imagine.....Threaten our livelyhood and our military will grow over night from 3 million to tens of millions and we will allow our military to spend anything they want........Coming after us would ultimately be the reason why China falls...

Are we really that naive? They have stated thier plan to take us over. Their actions, military and tech build up prove thier intentions etc etc etc etc... Read the whole thread.... or at least my post through out

reply to post by hawkiye


One man stated that plan, its not like the head of state said that, it was some crazy general who hates the west....And the reason for the military build was likely going to happen regardless. China has slowly grown to become a super power (in a economic sense) and because of that, they need to be able to protect their own interest which means they build up their military....They can build up their military all they want, but at the end of the day, we have the experience....

I just dont see why they would risk everything they have built by waging an unnecessary war against the worlds most powerful country.....Regardless of the outcome the loss that would come from a war of this magnitude would be too great to even imagine....United States has the backing of many European Nations and many more throughout the world, if anyone touches us, they will have to deal with an incredible retaliation.....

If a war did start, this would likely be one where the United States would see some destruction...not sure how much, but this would be a fight thats fought at numerous locations throughout the world....Likely on 3-4 different continents...

reply to post by jhn7537



I posted two different high ranking generals stating thier plans. They are executing the plan to a tee that is the proof. Stop assuming things and look at the facts. Writing off thier most senior General as just some crazy nut who doesn't reflect the communist parties true motives is about as naive as one can get. We know what communist do do it is all they have ever done CONQUEST THROUGH WAR !!!

Its obvious you haven't read the thread or watched the videos. This will not be conventional and cold war thinking is outdated. They have a plan and they have completed the economic phase. You are just repeating cold war rhetoric and it does not apply here.

reply to post by hawkiye


Ive read the thread and I watched the clips you posted.....Maybe I'm a little in denial, I dunno....But to think that WWIII has already begun and that bio/chem attacks will be here in the very near future is something thats just not registering with me...yet...

This is the type of thread that I respect and appreciate, but at the end of the day, I hope you are very wrong, for the sake of the world......I live in Chicago, so if they do target major cities to unleash their bio/chem weapons, I'm surely one of the ones who will be screwed....If what you post is 100% factual, why hasnt the US gov done anything yet? Why havent we gone after them first? If we knew an attack was coming wouldnt it make sense to throw the first punch?

Originally posted by hawkiye
MADD does not apply here. I wish you guys would watch the videos first before commenting or at least read the whole thread. This will not be a straightforward attack and it will be blamed on terrorist. WE WON'T KNOW WHO DID IT. See my several posts answering this over and over.

Yes the US will know who attacked because you already know the secret surprise attack was China and not terrorists all along, and tip off the government assuring China's destruction. Why? Because, evidently, you already know that the US won't know who pulled off the surprise attack and will blame terrorists in your thread titled "The Coming War With China: Evidence!"...

Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by jhn7537

 

I posted two different high ranking generals stating thier plans. They are executing the plan to a tee that is the proof. Stop assuming things and look at the facts. Writing off thier most senior General as just some crazy nut who doesn't reflect the communist parties true motives is about as naive as one can get. We know what communist do do it is all they have ever done CONQUEST THROUGH WAR !!!

Its obvious you haven't read the thread or watched the videos. This will not be conventional and cold war thinking is outdated. They have a plan and they have completed the economic phase. You are just repeating cold war rhetoric and it does not apply here.

edit on 12-7-2011 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

This is most likely an example of "nuclear chauvinism".

This is something generals used to do frequently during the cold war. If one side appeared to gain any advantage in one place or another, a general or even head of state (Yeltsin was fond of doing this), would not so delicately remind the other side that thousands of nuclear weapons were on standby aimed at the enemy.

It's simply patriotic chest thumping. While yes, China undoubtedly has plans for a covert first-strike should conditions require one, undoubtedly so does NATO.

Ok so I believe that I made my point on previous pages that China would be utterly decimated if they attacked us. But say they did attack us. You do realize that the majority of Americans are far too proud to be conquered so the war would probably lead to extinction level conflict right? What on earth would China gain from this besides more uninhabitable land?

Even if they were allied with Russia and Iran, they would be fighting pretty much every other nation on the planet. They would be totally surrounded by nations who would be attacking them with all that they have. Especially in dealing with the Americas and Europe, who are all too proud of the triumphs of Western Civilization to see it fall, it would be all or nothing conflicts. So basically they would have to annihilate the three continents on earth who buy most of their products.... Hmmm yea right. That's smart.

Oh and btw any future conflicts will most likely not be nuclear. Especially if it concerns China. The US has been developing air, land, sea, and space based nuclear defense systems since the end of the Cold War, which was before China's economy turned around and they began putting money in the military. The main air defensive project as of 2009 was a plane with a laser beam attached to it... I mean I guess they could try but then we have the detection system in space and it just wouldn't work.

If you all would like some further reading from ten years ago here are some links

WSLF
Wikipedia

And the more recent headlines pages
Spacewar
Future Weapon Technology

reply to post by cardicorona


This is all well and good, but I think you might be missing one main point.

China is going to surpass the US economy. This is not a guess, this is the way it is. Obama is currently trying to raise your debt ceiling so the US can borrow even more money to plunge you even more into debt.

China meanwhile has been fiscally responsible. It's only a matter of time before they are spending more on their military than the US. What then? Nuclear deterrence.

Hawks in the US will never want to hand over global supremacy to the Chinese, and as a show of resolve might resort to tactical nuclear weaponry in future conflicts to show that yes, we have them and yes, we will use them.

This allows you to operate with a much smaller military budget. Of course this type of useage lowers the threshold for strategic nuclear conflict but solves one issue quite handily.

reply to post by nightbringr


Not really. China is quite a long way away from ACTUALLY surpassing the US's economy. While they may out gross the US in a decade, they still will not have surpassed the US economy as, and I forget what it's called but someone here can help me out, the US' per capita wealth far exceeds China. Meaning the US would actually have more money to spend. Not to mention, the disparity between US's expenditure on its military and China's is quite large.

In essence, the US spends 692 BILLION on military. China spends 100 Billion on military. The US Spends almost 7 times the amount China does. Russia is fifth with 56 Billion. Now consider the size of the military and the size of the population. If you take into account that the Chinese military is approximately 7 million (according to the video) and the US military is approximately 3.25, you'll see that the disparity between expenditures on the military and the size of the military mean that the US is spending 14 TIMES what China spends per person in the military. Oh and of the top 10 spenders on military, 8 are US ALLIES!!!

On a somewhat unrelated note (because I don't know if you agree with the video): The video's attached are speculation, a lot of which is not based on any facts. He takes quotes from a General and acts as if those words came out of China's mouth. I promise you this: If China and Russia attacked the US within the next 100 years they would be obliterated. There is no way China and Russia could hold their own with England, France, Germany, Italy all attacking Russia from the West. Meanwhile, China being attacked from India, Australia, and Japan from the South West and East. Not to mention, wherever the US would be attacking from. They would have no chance. Not until the world's economy is SIGNIFICANTLY altered.

reply to post by Ryanp5555


While I agree with your later points, it is already very well known that China has a much more favorable financial situation, China's PPP is already set to overtake the US in just a few short years, before 2016 if you guys can believe that. China's GDP doesn't have to overtake the U.S. to be economically more powerful. They are already showing how influential they can be, economically.


Please google purchasing power parity.

I didnt mean to not be complimentary to your thread because I think it is bang on it is exactly what I would expect china to do,it is shocking how much progress they have already made,absolutely shocking,but I still say there is a reason they are coming from behind and it is the same reason that will keep them there,they dont think ahead enough,there will be no more wars like we are talking about the world wont let it happen China would get smoked ,let them migrate we need them to as a relief valve,for gods sakes 500000000 chineese men would be happier with african wives than with no wives we need to bleed these single fighting aged men out of the country or we need to start finding a way to make them passive without wives and families.

reply to post by eLPresidente


Fair enough. I have no education on economics or the global economy. I read some articles that take about Parity Purchasing Power. I'll take your word for it that its legit. However, I wouldn't be surprised if China fails to sustain economic superiority for a significant amount of time. In my opinion, there is too much political corruption and too great a disparity between some citizens and the rest of the citizens in pure living condition standards. I wouldn't be surprised if internal strife ends up halting their growth, or bringing it down, so that they can usher in some real reform. But, these are my opinions and are in no way facts.

Originally posted by jhn7537
We have DEVGRU/Delta Force and a trillion dollar budget.......Why would ANY country want to mess with us? We have the most sophisticated military in the world, arguably the most advanced technology, and a ridiculous military budget.....I just dont see why any nation would want to shake the hornets nest....

LOL we don't have a budget. The Federal Reserve does. And they just print paper these days. U.S. economy is dying because of our military spending. Next month if they don't reach some sort of deal. And Social Security checks stop coming in, I can bet you that the military money will still be there. Because god forbid we couldn't just bring all the military home and just protect our country. No we have to spread our selves thin. Which we have. Take American tax payer money and make the country pretty much the United Toilet Bowl of the World. Thank you GOV. Budget LOL what budget?

Originally posted by bftroop

Originally posted by jhn7537
We have DEVGRU/Delta Force and a trillion dollar budget.......Why would ANY country want to mess with us? We have the most sophisticated military in the world, arguably the most advanced technology, and a ridiculous military budget.....I just dont see why any nation would want to shake the hornets nest....

LOL we don't have a budget. The Federal Reserve does. And they just print paper these days. U.S. economy is dying because of our military spending. Next month if they don't reach some sort of deal. And Social Security checks stop coming in, I can bet you that the military money will still be there. Because god forbid we couldn't just bring all the military home and just protect our country. No we have to spread our selves thin. Which we have. Take American tax payer money and make the country pretty much the United Toilet Bowl of the World. Thank you GOV. Budget LOL what budget?

Some how they're spending close to $1 trillion dollars on our military....I dont think their using funny money to buy all those toys either....