The Coming War With China: Evidence!

reply to post by hawkiye


Before you raise the white flag, think about this:
Any war between China ans the US becomes a global confllict (WWIII). Nobody wants to see thier buddy get beat up by the bully. Buddy loses....they're next.

How would China come up with the logistics to support a mainland invasion? Check into any amphiibious landing and see just a sample. These weren't across an entire ocean either.
China would NOT have air supremacy.
The US would notice a HUGE air and sea armada headed towards them.
The US mainland basesw are set up as a defensive perimeter.
How quick could China replace it's many losses of troops and maintain enough to hold a beachhead?

The US would restart the draft, and being that there is many veterans (now combat experienced), not much training would be required. And yes, regular citizens would form militias for the simple fact of not living under communist control or working in a government sweatshop making $.50 a day.

So China admits to having stealth technology, so the US used stealth 20+ years ago (Desert Storm), imagine what we have now? You don't show all your cards in an arms race meaning, if we used stealth then, imagine what we had "in the bank" at the same time.

Do you REALLY know what side Russia would be on, or would they let us knock each other out and come mop up the remains? Sure, they're communist, but again, with the US gone, what's stopping China from attacking them?

Have peace of mind, Generals and politicians always love to get a rise out of the other side, and if you're a believer in the NWO, they want Socialism, not Communism.

reply to post by Yahm16

Before you raise the white flag, think about this:

Where in any of my post have I insinuated any such thing? Nowhere!

Now to the rest of your post it is obvious you have not read the thread or watched the videos or just skimmed if at all. You and several others keep bringing up the logistics and I have explained how they plan to do it a half a dozen times at least. read the thread and then get back to us if you want any credibility...

PS

Have peace of mind, Generals and politicians always love to get a rise out of the other side, and if you're a believer in the NWO, they want Socialism, not Communism.

Wow just wow! Socialism is communism....

reply to post by hawkiye




Here is a starting point. the source is biased, but the facts are correct.

www.newyorkfed.org...

Always look at several sources.

This one is decent, www.u-s-history.com...

The big fact you ignore is that when the U.S. was most prosperous, in the 50ties and 60ties, and the 90ties, taxes on the wealthy were higher, and business was much more rigorously regulated, and it worked.

The whole game of going back to the founding of the fed res is nothing but a diversion tactic.

It is the free market people who are the communists.

reply to post by hawkiye


Have read whole thread, and watched videos.
You keep saying how they're going to achieve thier goals, we're telling you how thier not.
BTW:
National Socialist Party=Nazis Russians=Communist
Hitler (socialist) wanted to end bolshilism (communism)
Ain't history a mother..............

Originally posted by Yahm16
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Have read whole thread, and watched videos.
You keep saying how they're going to achieve thier goals, we're telling you how thier not.
BTW:
National Socialist Party=Nazis Russians=Communist
Hitler (socialist) wanted to end bolshilism (communism)
Ain't history a mother..............

USSR = Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics

Yeah history is a mother when you're ignorant of it... Fascisms and Communism are two sides to the same socialist coins...

Also what part of the Chinese building hundreds of bases in the 50 states, controlling most of the major ports and shipping, building the Nafta super highway, etc. did you not understand in terms of logistics since you claim to have read the thread and since your argument concerning logistics is rendered completely moot and non germane to the discussion by those facts?

They are going to achieve thier gaols as long as people like you keep sticking thier head in the sand and ignoring the facts. People like me will fight to the last breath while most will sell their mothers out to them when reality finally penetrates thier thick skulls as they're looking down at the wrong end of Chinese automatic weapons or dying from some bio attack or lack of food clothing and shelter after an EMP.....

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Here is a starting point. the source is biased, but the facts are correct.

www.newyorkfed.org...

Always look at several sources.

This one is decent, www.u-s-history.com...

The big fact you ignore is that when the U.S. was most prosperous, in the 50ties and 60ties, and the 90ties, taxes on the wealthy were higher, and business was much more rigorously regulated, and it worked.

The whole game of going back to the founding of the fed res is nothing but a diversion tactic.

It is the free market people who are the communists.

As i said stop repeating wrong opinions of others and study some real history for yourself. The supposed prosperity of the 50's & 60's was due to false credit expansion not government regulation. We were still on a partial gold standard and we had much less government regulation then we have now and are far less prosperous. if your theory were true we should be in hog heaven with prosperity because we are so highly regulated however we are on the edge of complete collapse instead. So much for regulation creating prosperity...

Never the less we had embraced the Keynesian economic model of money from nothing which is essentially like charging up a credit card. If you live off a credit card in the beginning every thing looks rosy and prosperous even though you have little or no income you can buy things and live high on the hog and by all appearances seem very prosperous. but like all credits cards eventually the credit runs out and the party is over and that is precisely what happened in the crash of the 70s where we had major inflation and gas rationing etc.

However lucky for our the people were very industrious and our creditors bet on us expanding our economy and continued to give us more credit and we appeared to recover when it was really just an increase on our credit limit. So we were back in business living off of new credit and everything looked rosy again. However we went completely off the gold standard and sure enough we had another crash in the 80,s and did the same thing. Then again in the 90s and have been doing it ever since till the crash again of 2008. This whole process has led us to the very brink of disaster. This time our creditors our cutting us off since we have exported our manufacturing and are economic growth and can no longer cover another credit expansion. As prices rise due to inflation slowly pricing goods and services out of the market.

So the prosperity was false it was just another charge on the credit card and the credit is being cut off. And it is regulation forcing us to use this system and thus we are loosing our homes jobs and way of life. It has nothing to do with free markets and everything to do with government regulation and intervention in trying to control these credit expansions. They are out of options and there is no where else to go but complete collapse. It is mathematically impossible to do anything else now BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION INTO THE FREE MARKETS AND IMPOSING MONOPOLIES ON US at the point of a gun benefiting thier corporate cronies who exported our jobs.

Freedom means freedom to choose, when freedom to chose is taken away and one is mandated by government force to buy some good or service it can't possibly be a FREE market since there is no freedom of choice.

Labelling it free market is just a Marxist ploy and distraction from what it really is which is communism/fascism/corporatism. Attaching the free market label does not make communism and the free market one and the same anymore then attaching the moniker of honest man to a thief make honesty and thievery one and the same!

PS the repeal of Glass Steagal was not a free market advocate. Yes it was a check on banking in a highly regulated monopolized banking system however its removal was a favor to those elevated to monopoly status by the politicians. So in other words you had these politically connected banking elites granted a monopoly by government regulation over the monetary system and then they get another favor by removing some regulation so they can screw the public more and faster.

The repeal of Glass Steagall did not cause the meltdown we were headed there anyway through credit expansion. The removal of Glass Steagal actually postponed it some because it allowed for faster credit expansion. By the way Credit expansion is the main way money is created in our system and our system dies without it however there is a limit and we are very close so either way it dies. had we not removed Glass Steagal the dollar would have crashed by now and we might be in a real recovery by doing away with the money from nothing system. But it would be more painful. Now that the final collapse was postponed it will be much worse when it finally does happen. Hope you all have some food storage guns and silver.

reply to post by hawkiye


Socialist (economic) Republic (states) under Communist (government) rule.
Communism=economic AND political systems
Socialism= economic system

Communism=distribution of goods and sevices according to individual NEEDS
Socialism= distribution of goods and services according to individual DEEDS

Communism= Capitalism can NOT exist
Socialism= Capitalism CAN exist

Communism=few control the economy
Socialism= many control the economy

Communism=a central government with total control
Socialism=control belongs to the people in a de-centralized area

if knowing this makes me ignorant........

now, enough off topic, do you know who Roger Young is? not a reliable source, he's been preaching his junk for years, this could be why no one seems worried.
he always shows the O's, never the X's from the Russia/China stuff I've seen. Most his attack modes have never been tested on the scale he likes to make you assume.
Oprn an atlas, see where Afgahistan is exactally, put yourself in Chinas and Pakistans position, see how this affects you. Now pretend to rule India. (this is a small piece off the puzzle)
now flip to the US, follow I-29, I-35, do you notice what bases (with what divisions) are along this route?
The Autobahn wasn't a liability either, just Germany didn't have the resources or will to fight anymore.
Sun-Tzu has been quoted on this thread-here's another-"make your enemy think you're weak where you are strong" and another (not word for word)" you must make your enemy believe that what you will do is what they believe you will do". This is why I feel occupation of Afghanistn and the "raid" in Pakistan were not an accident.
The US does wargames all the time with OPFOR using the enemies tactics (and sometimes equipment)
do you understand why people are sticking up for the US now. Besides, China would have to convert thier industry to a war mode. This would be noticed, matierials would be embargoed, etc.....
Lastly, for them to attack Japan makes a lot more sense. Past history, we could never help Japan in time, and the "defense of Japan" is completely different than an "attack on China"

reply to post by hawkiye

The supposed prosperity of the 50's & 60's was due to false credit expansion not government regulation.

So you claim, but where is your proof?

This sounds like a line of bs fed to you by some right wing wacko. Look up the history, and try and prove me wrong. If you can't back up said claim, then you need to start realizing that I might be right, or that is when you decide to choose living in delusion over reality.

So which will it be, the red pill or the blue pill?

reply to post by Yahm16

Socialist (economic) Republic (states) under Communist (government) rule.
Communism=economic AND political systems
Socialism= economic system

Wow you are really naive. Socialism and communism equal one and the same both are socio economic systems implemented by the political system namely force.

Communism=distribution of goods and sevices according to individual NEEDS
Socialism= distribution of goods and services according to individual DEEDS

LOL you lost all credibility right there. If you believe that tripe I have some beautiful everglades land in Florida I'd like to sell you. Socialism=redistribution of goods and services through government by force under the guise of democracy!!!

Communism= Capitalism can NOT exist
Socialism= Capitalism CAN exist

LOL! Tell that to the communist Red Chinese! Of course you have no clue what free market capitalism is! Where there is government intervention there is no capitalism despite the nightly news Marxist propaganda

Communism=few control the economy
Socialism= many control the economy

Sigh! The oligarchy that controls the socialist USA fits the bill perfectly for communism. Perhaps you should look up and read the communist manifesto. Socialism = government control = oligarchy

Communism=a central government with total control
Socialism=control belongs to the people in a de-centralized area

Socialism is not control by the people and decentralized that is Anarchy and free markets. Socialism = government redistribution of wealth to try and force equality. It is nothing more then communism disguised as democracy/mob rules but in reality is an oligarchy where the few control the masses. 435 members of congress control 300 million people because of the lies of democracy where people think since they were supposedly elected they have a right to vote on every aspect of our lives

now, enough off topic, do you know who Roger Young is? not a reliable source, he's been preaching his junk for years, this could be why no one seems worried.

And of course you just try to attack the messenger which is of course always the refuge of unsubstantiated attacks ... Sigh!

he always shows the O's, never the X's from the Russia/China stuff I've seen. Most his attack modes have never been tested on the scale he likes to make you assume.
Oprn an atlas, see where Afgahistan is exactally, put yourself in Chinas and Pakistans position, see how this affects you. Now pretend to rule India. (this is a small piece off the puzzle)
now flip to the US, follow I-29, I-35, do you notice what bases (with what divisions) are along this route?

And again you make claims but show no examples of the what you terms X's vs O's... care to eleborate?

The Autobahn wasn't a liability either, just Germany didn't have the resources or will to fight anymore. Sun-Tzu has been quoted on this thread-here's another-"make your enemy think you're weak where you are strong" and another (not word for word)" you must make your enemy believe that what you will do is what they believe you will do". This is why I feel occupation of Afghanistn and the "raid" in Pakistan were not an accident.

And this has what to do with anything?

The US does wargames all the time with OPFOR using the enemies tactics (and sometimes equipment) do you understand why people are sticking up for the US now. Besides, China would have to convert thier industry to a war mode. This would be noticed, matierials would be embargoed, etc.....
Lastly, for them to attack Japan makes a lot more sense. Past history, we could never help Japan in time, and the "defense of Japan" is completely different than an "attack on China"

A Chinese sub popped up undetected in the middle of US war games. Are you trying to say this was planned? China's industry is in war mode it is common knowledge. Having the second largest navy in the world and huge advances in technology proves it among the many other evidences. Japan has no natural resources and no land mass that would benefit China in anyway so no it does not make any sense to attack Japan. Yeah it is just coincidence that they have all the strategic ports and shipping lanes etc, jut stick your head in the sand and keep proclaiming outdated cold war rhetoric and people like you will be the death of the USA... Sigh!

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by hawkiye

 

The supposed prosperity of the 50's & 60's was due to false credit expansion not government regulation.

So you claim, but where is your proof?

This sounds like a line of bs fed to you by some right wing wacko. Look up the history, and try and prove me wrong. If you can't back up said claim, then you need to start realizing that I might be right, or that is when you decide to choose living in delusion over reality.

So which will it be, the red pill or the blue pill?

What part of; "we have had ever increasing regulation since the 50's and 60"s and have more now then we ever did" do you not understand? Your theory is government regulation equals prosperity. Then why are we at the brink of disaster when we have more regulation then anytime in history?

Its common knowledge that our economies life blood is credit expansion its how credit works. Show me any historical text that says otherwise? Why do you think it crashes every 10 or 12 years or so? Why do you think they raise the debt ceiling (credit limit) every few years? They have to to keep it going! Why do you think they are making such a big deal out of it now? THE CREDIT IS RUNNING OUT so it will crash for sure now!

John P. Hussman, Ph.D.

“Credit expansion cannot increase the supply of real goods. It merely brings about a rearrangement. It diverts capital investment away from the course prescribed by the state of economic wealth and market conditions. It causes production to pursue paths which it would not follow unless the economy were to acquire an increase in material goods. As a result, the upswing lacks a solid base. It is not a real prosperity. It is illusory prosperity. It did not develop from an increase in economic wealth [i.e. the accumulation of savings made available for productive investment]. Rather, it arose because the credit expansion created the illusion of such an increase. Sooner or later, it must become apparent that this economic situation is built on sand.”
Ludwig von Mises, The Causes of Economic Crisis (1931)
www.theburningplatform.com...

As for your theory I do not need to disprove a negative it can't be proven because it does not exist. You are the one who must prove your theory and you can't. Why do you think we are at the brink? Did you read my credit card analogy? It is essentially how it works and is so simple even a ten year old can understand it. You have avoided every question and just repeat your rhetoric and make unsubstantiated claims and post links where you read the same unsubstantiated claims.

Unfortunately people like you with your emotional attachment to false ideology are the problem. Never mind the facts just repeat your unsubstantiated emotional belief because it appeals to your emotions... Sigh! Just attach a label of Right Wing Whacko to it and that makes you feel better and avoids any real discussion... Sigh! Unfortunately people like you are the majority and the very reason why we are at the brink of disaster!

Credit expansion can bring about a temporary boom. But such a fictitious prosperity must end in a general depression of trade, a slump. Planned Chaos p. 21 by Ludwig von Mises

True, governments can reduce the rate of interest in the short run. They can issue additional paper money. They can open the way to credit expansion by the banks. They can thus create an artificial boom and the appearance of prosperity. But such a boom is bound to collapse soon or late and to bring about a depression. Omnipotent Government p. 251 Ludwig von Mises

The cyclical fluctuations of business are not an occurrence originating in the sphere of the unhampered market, but a product of government interference with business conditions designed to lower the rate of interest below the height at which the free market would have fixed it. Human Action p. 562; p. 565 Ludwig von Mises

Business Cycles

reply to post by hawkiye


So you have nothing to prove this claim?

The supposed prosperity of the 50's & 60's was due to false credit expansion not government regulation.

Because you are completely wrong in this claim.

So you are choosing the blue pill.

Here is one link on banking regulation.

www.ritholtz.com...

All this contributes to the rise of free market, communist China.

reply to post by poet1b


It is pointless to continue to argue with ignorance and one who denies reality. It is akin to arguing with a fool who claims the sky is green when it is plainly blue right before his very eyes....

Bottom line is regulation does not bring prosperity. China is not a free market and anyone who claims such non-sense as they are is in media induced denial or mentally challenged or both.

I can see how this war may happen, you can already see China beginning to assert its dominance over the Pacific especially in the South China Sea. Such a war would have to be quick and be nuclear. I can only hope that Australia will remain neutral if this conflict escalates but knowing America they will most likely bully our government to choose a side. Your either with us or your against us.

reply to post by AussiePatriot


Remain neutral?
Are you so naive?
If the USA loses we will all be ingredients for Chop suey and fried rice(western style)... neutral .never.

i dont have time to wade thru 15 pages nor the recent to and fro arguments about various realities.

but is it feasable that chinese subs could surround the u'states and launch their warheads all at the same time? as it were-a softening of a high order? and in this scenario a separate chinese force/s concentrate on the aircraft carriers with their new carrier weapon? such a series of events might be encouraged whilst the US suffers from even worse natural events than what is occurring now. it seems hardly a day goes by without severe weather of some sort. there are predictions that weather will become extreme and some power will suffer heavy naval losses. is it the "states?

as far as oz goes, they already do the bidding of their masters and most if not all pm's are treasonous.

another possibility is that all un-natural events are organised by the NWOdour and even the chinese and the iranians are part of it. their leaders having been bought out long ago.

reply to post by hawkiye


Except I provided evidence to back up the points I made.

Essentially you are trying to pretend that deregulation did not begin in the late 1970ties, and was greatly expanded in the 1980ties, to try and pretend that the U.S. was not more prosperous with great regulation and higher taxes on the super rich. Come on, how can you ignore these realities.

China does not have labor standards or environmental standards, they are de-regulated in the way those who preach free market economics desired de-regulation. Communist China is how a free market works, and it is communism, as it currently exists.

Communists aim to conquer us by making us like them. That is how they plan on doing it.

Never back down or away from bullies. The Asian states aren't backing down and are ready to slug it out on their own if need be with the ever posturing China CCP gov, which is improving and building up its military rapidly.

England and France backed down from the pipesqueek Hitler from 1933 to 1939 appeasing him. By then Hitler had grown too powerful, gobbling up the smaller states in Europe such as Czechkoslavia, Austria, Belgium, Denmark and NORWAY, too powerful to resists and ended up France conquered and England burnt.

Much of our woes began with China's CCP by unconscionably allowing their citizens to become slaves to globalised corporations. As not enough that they had lured jobs away from developed countries, the CCP became more corrupt, produced shoddy and even tainted goods not only to their own countrymen but to the world as well.

If China's CCP wishes to be belligerant, than it will be met with the free world's middle finger up to them, as well as their own 5th column of citizens whom will be ready to strike and reclaim back their country from the corrupted CCP gov.

We will always seek for peace, but if the other side is hell bent for war on others to excuse their own failures to manage their nation, then we must grow some spine and be prepared to fight for peace and freedom.

China dont want America, too much hard work.....they want Australia...yum yum all that land

Looks like its started.

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