UK Gets First "Sharia Controlled Zone".

I second that wearedust

Originally posted by wearedust
Christians and Muslims - I feel like I'm on the outside looking in - knowing that niether of there gods are real -

Who else feels the same? Like your one step above human intelligence over others that are so weak and afraid of death they make up fairy tales to make death sound better -

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
The most logical explanation for this behaviour is that TPTB intend to start another war against muslims. And they want people angry enough to support it when it happens.

YES! A heartfelt star for you.

See me thread: We're Being Programmed to Hate Muslims

Anjem Choudary, leader of "Muslims Against Crusades" is quite obviously a State Operative. Think about it. Unfortunately though, there are many thousands of Muslims who do wish to segregate themselves within the West, and who do want Shariah Law. Bringing millions of Muslims into the West was done with the knowledge that it is an incompatible culture and would guarantee civil unrest. This is what TPTB want for they profit immensely from it and can introduce new 'laws' because of it. Furthermore, if we hate Muslims, we're more likely to support the Zionists.

The problem is, we in the West have so far proven far more tolerant of Islam than TPTB expected us to be. They're having to push really hard to get us to engage in civil war and now they're pulling out all the stops. They're getting impatient waiting for the opportunity to implement the next level of their control system.

I wonder if you guys/gals have seen this
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reply to post by emptyOmind


It will never work.... those who can't assimilate will have to go....

It's their problem bringing their beliefs over here not ours for taking them in.... they need to learn that you can't have your own rules in a Country which already has its rules.... they need to abide by our rules or get out to a Country where they will be happy.... it doesnt matter if many were born here.... this is England not Afghanistan!!

Although sometimes i walk down the street and it seems like Afghanistan

If I lived in England and had the money to do it I would organize a consortium to buy up available buildings especially ones with store fronts and then open bars - houses of ill repute (Many Of These) adult books stores with nice bright neon sigs advertising the wares for sale and some nice store front churches - with names like Church of The What is Happening Now! (Formerly Reggie's Barbecue & Sub Shop). I listened to a radio program about CAIR - a Islamic group that likes to make Amereican Organizations conform to their ways and the warnings about how this is compromising our own laws and our values here just to accomodate them. This is a Wikipedia link describing the organization --- en.wikipedia.org...

Enjoy!!

YourBippy

this would never happen... don't be afraid...

It seems a lot of ATS British members don't see Police and the Government as a medium to solve problems anymore. The author claims the Police and Government are sources which should be used to fix the "problem", but he claims the Police and Government has done almost nothing (maybe because no one has describe the problem, and if they do they will look like bigots).

So what other options do we have? The only option outside the law I could find was this:

A Muslim man has been beaten to death outside a corner shop by a gang of youths who shouted anti-Islamic abuse at him, the Guardian has learned.

--source--

Once I read that I went and researched about Islamophobia in UK, it seems Islamophobia has become a norm, it is normal and some argue even cool to pick and harass innocent Muslims.

I have noticed that most who posted anti-Islamic rhetoric in this thread are likely followers of Mr. Wilders, because the speeches very much resemble that of the Islamophobic Dutch MP.

Most have not even explained what the actual problem is, instead have used the original article as an excuse to spew their irrational, illogical rage and bigotry. As I said before, non of what is being discussed in original article is illegal, if it was, they would be arrested by now? Right?

So what is the problem?

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by emptyOmind
personally, i don't see what's wrong with this. i mean yeah, i drink beer, i go to concerts, etc. but why do i have to do it in a muslim area? in bangkok there are muslim areas everywhere just like this, any muslim owned apartments for example and even some whole neighborhoods. so basically i just stay out if i plan on doing anything like that. why can't muslims and everyone else get what they want so that everyone's happy? what's so wrong about that?

The problem is that creating divides does not help the situation, If I were to go to Somalia, I'd obey their laws or expect to get punished, its their country and I have to abide by them BUT if you look at some of these countries they have 2 maybe 3 religions and what you are seeing in these places is that the extremists are slowly but surely wiping out these other religions.

This leads to my 2nd point, having or providing Muslim, White, Black blah blah only area's is a recipe for disaster, its returning to segregation (self imposed tho) and denying innocent people the right to walk freely in their own tax paid land. Her near where I live we have Southall, its a mainly Asian area BUT I've walked through there many times and never had a bit of hassle. People will often stick together by belief or race but to make those a no go area is insane, no one deserves to OWN an area, those trying to should be punished.

By making or giving area's on a no go status is not only unlawful but it creates hatred on both sides and you really have to side with the person just wanting to walk freely and without harm in their own country, be they born here or not, if you are British then this IS Britain, not Somlia, Not Pakistan, its the UK...

thanks for your reply, i understand what your saying.. but the thing is, its not a 'muslim only area' it's just an area where you have to obey sharia law to an extent. but anyone can go there

Originally posted by Maslo

Originally posted by emptyOmind
personally, i don't see what's wrong with this. i mean yeah, i drink beer, i go to concerts, etc. but why do i have to do it in a muslim area? in bangkok there are muslim areas everywhere just like this, any muslim owned apartments for example and even some whole neighborhoods. so basically i just stay out if i plan on doing anything like that. why can't muslims and everyone else get what they want so that everyone's happy? what's so wrong about that?

And here we have the "most ignorant reply of the thread" winner. Advocating the politics of appeasment of evil, the same which caused WW2. The PC folks claimed immigrant muslims would never want to impose sharia law in Europe. Now it suddenly changed to, "yeah they want, but whats wrong with that"? Really??

Let me paraphrase you:

Personally, i don't see what's wrong with this. i mean yeah, i like jews, i go to synagogues, etc. but why do i have to do it in a nazi area? in berlin there are nazi areas everywhere just like this, any nazi owned apartments for example and even some whole neighborhoods. so basically i just stay out if i plan on doing anything that involve jews. why can't nazis and everyone else get what they want so that everyone's happy? what's so wrong about that?

No. people who advocate things which are against basic human rights, such as muslims wanting sharia law, should NEVER get what they want. Period. I would prefer full scale civil war before any areas in Europe becoming ruled by any aspects of sharia law.

edit on 11/7/11 by Maslo because: (no reason given)

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so muslims are equivalent to nazi's?

here, let me paraphrase you also:

i am an intolerant, ignorant, racist, uneducated fool

this makes me laugh 1 of my best friends its muslim and living in the UAE at the moment and he tells me this stuff is pathetic in his country there are bars for people from the west and they even celebrate christmas and other holidays with us as a sign on respect...then these retards do this and he tells me in the quran what they do is completely wrong and its told in the book you cant force your own beleifs on other religions and you cant make people do things such as this...then agen our f*****g government is on its ass and really needs to grow a pair before they completely take over

reply to post by TrueBrit


Absolutely.
And France is a good example for a country having a bunch of leaders who do not care about the country but plunder the country for their own benefit (Air Sarko One, Sarokzy's son (almost) nomination at the EPAD, etc.)

The point here is that banning muslims or attacking islam will not do anything but make things worse.

Bring in work & education, and all these problems will be gone.
I believe there are no conspiracy, special agenda to drive us vs. the muslims (apart from the French Front National and British BNP).
There are just the results of 60 years of total incompetent policies for the suburbs/poor areas, 60 years of lack of investments & education.
No conspiracy here, just plain incompetence.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno

"Islam is not here to participate in your culture. Islam is here to replace it."

So true. I hope enough people in the West wake up before it's too late. Some think Europe is already lost to Islam.

I believe TPTB have intentionally created this situation: the seeds of ENDLESS future wars. Western Europe has been "Balkanized" in a serious way and it will grow worse since the Muslims will outbreed the native Europeans.

Not only will TPTB (who own the military-industrial complex) make lots of money supplying all sides with weapons, but it will keep the populace so DISTRACTED with conflict & survival, TPTB can do anything they want.

Plus, as in all wars, there's the bonus of depopulation.

I was not able to read the "Daily Star" article, since it's already been removed. But "Muslims Against the Crusades" site does not look like a joke.

reply to post by emptyOmind


Yes, extremist muslims wanting sharia law ARE equivalent to nazis. Both want to enact laws that are against basic human rights. I dont mind moderate muslims at all, but I cant comprehend how a rational person can support islamic extremists wanting to implement sharia law in parts of Europe...

reply to post by LvSLoLo


Again, the government has not sanctioned the idea of sharia law in any location in the British Isles. The government have no involvement with this article, and have instigated no change in the law of the land to allow for this subversion of our statute books. Therefore there will be no legal back up for this attempt and self enforced ghettoism , and there will be no defense for abuses of the law committed during the enforcement of such a zones rules and regulations. In short, this would be no different to a gang territory in terms of its legality.

I repeat, there is no zone , unless officialy endorsed, and that endorsement has not come to pass. Anyone acting to prevent freedom in those areas will be acting in a criminal manner and treated as such unless the law actualy changes, which it hasnt, and probably wont. Good day.

Originally posted by KingDoey
This thread just ruined my weekend.

Its sad but it seems that it really is game over for the UK now........

Well come on man chin up, that wasn't the attitude that turned the tide at Khartoum, eh wot?

If all else fails pop a DVD of Braveheart in and get inspired!

Originally posted by davesmart

Winston Churchill on Islam
[...]
This is from his 1899 book, "The River War," written when he was 24 years old:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.…A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

'Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities ... but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome." [The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-50.]

source
www.amnation.com...

Thank you, Davesmart, for posting this. How acute an observer Churchill was and how beautifully he wrote.

AV

reply to post by AuranVector


Let me get this straight, you are trying to judge almost 3 million Muslim British citizens based on a group called "Muslims against Crusades" who probably don't even have hundred members?

Are you serious?

The Brits are always poo-pooing Yanks for doing nothing about our Police State.

OK, whatcha gonna do bout the towelheads in your country?

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL


I doubt whether those men have any rights under law to implement this, they obviously threatened you, and you should have reported it to the Police.

reply to post by romanmel


That's a very mature and progressive stance you have there.